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  1. mini says

    I just wanted to say:

    This is a personal issue, not a political one.

    I feel for this woman and what she went through, particularly during what was probably a trying time for her.

  2. Johnson says

    Things have GOT to change. The proof pours in daily. Everyone should be able to expect to be treated with some basic human dignity at a time of mourning. The greatest commandment, according to some olden carpenter dude, is to love your fellow man — to treat him as you’d be treated; I fail to see any modicum of love, or basic decency, being delivered by this priest.
    Is it so hard? Is it really impossible?
    Jesus made it clear which commandment surpassed all others, and it’s not really that hard to keep considering the rewards. Sigh…

  3. Cubs Fan in DC says

    I am a life long Catholic, proudly and openly gay since age 21. It is not easy being a gay Catholic, but my commitment to my faith has traditionally transcended my identity and the Church’s institutional disregard for the authenticity of my and our orientation.

    But for all the awful things I have heard and seen and overlooked, this is perhaps the worst. What an awful, awful human being this priest is. He should be ashamed of himself. And as the Archdiocese’s statement made plain (in its admittedly coded way), there is no excuse for his conduct.

  4. Paul says

    God bless her! Having to deal with that at such an a trying time. I hope she remembers that not all Christians are so dogmatic. I do have to disagree with Mini though – there is a political side to this. The Catholic church is actively attacking the gay community, and we cannot afford to idly sit back and play nice. We have to call them on their hate at each opportunity.

  5. says

    The priest’s behavior was inexcusable. It was her mother’s Catholic funeral, and no one should be treated with anything less than dignity at a family member’s funeral no matter where it is being held. (I’m not Catholic, but to those who suggested on the previous thread that she should just reject the Church, she shouldn’t have to, particular during her mother’s funeral, when any priest’s focus should be on helping the family deal with grief.) Even the Archdiocese agreed, so at least–this time–they didn’t compound the disgrace by excusing the priest’s lack of basic human decency.

  6. Fahd says

    Really, is nothing sacred. Is she the only gay child of a Catholic parishioner? Has this man never encounter another gay person?

    Maybe he doest protest too much.

    In any case, the man is a horse’s ass, and he probably left to go suck off an alter boy.

    May his own funeral be equally besmirched.

    The Catholic Church should issue an apology for his behavior, and he should be demoted from parish priest (although you probably can’t go any lower).

  7. Sargon Bighorn says

    Lesbian insists on Muslim/Jew feed her pork. Calls Muslim/Jew hatful because they refuse to feed her pork in their restaurant. Nope honey you’re WRONG on this one. If you don’t play the Catholic game the Catholic way, don’t expect them to play with you. Stop FORCING THEM to accept YOUR life style choice JUST LIKE you don’t want THEM to push THEIR life style choice on YOU.

    It goes BOTH ways Gay America. If you want to be a Muslim or Jew you can’t eat pork END OF STORY. If you want a Catholic Priest to give communion, DON’T break Their religious Law. SIMPLE.

  8. Fritz says

    While I find the priest’s actions reprehensible, I’m with Sargon on this one. And to Cubs Fan: unlike same-sex attraction, belonging to a church is a choice. mMaybe it’s time to re-examine your commitment to your faith. You’re supporting this institution. Is that really what you want to do?

  9. busytimmy says

    You know, I really don’t understand why anyone would expect anything different from the Catholic establishment. There are some priests who would have acted differently, the priest who said my grandfather’s funeral mass invited “everyone for whom it would be a spiritual at ” to take communion. This was highly unusual and definitely outside doctrinal protocol. The catholic church is not Oprah, differences of opinion are not encouraged. Cafeteria Catholicism is the American way, but not for the clergy.

  10. Ninong says

    What a spiteful, hateful thing to do to a woman at her mother’s funeral. Does Fr. Marcel have no sense of human decency? Has he no compassion?

    By the way, as soon as I saw his name, Fr. Marcel, I was reminded of another priest with a similar name, Fr. Marcial Maciel, who was protected at the highest level of the Vatican in spite of his notorious “sins”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcial_Maciel

  11. Angela Channing says

    Sargon Bighorn, another troll heard from. First of all, this priest made an assumption based on something he heard. Your analogy makes no sense what so ever.

    I think we will see the near collapse of the Catholic Church in America within the next 20 years. Priests and nuns are dying out. Often there are cultural issues with priests who are outside of the U.S. (i.e. they are too conservative). The abuse scandals have robbed them of any moral authority. Stunts like this drive people further away from the church. They have an unsustainable plan.

  12. Cecil says

    @Sargon- I think your missing the point. As I understand it the Catholic church says that you can approach a member about issuing with receiving communion- but its a step farther when he left the room while she spoke, and didn’t accompany the body to the funeral. That is beyond the scope of what your responding to- and your ignoring it by not acknowledging it. That behavior served no purpose, was disruptive to a funeral and grieving family, and then catastrophically hurtful when he wouldn’t even perform his duties to the deceased. Now, I may just be a daudy Wiccan, but that doesn’t seem reflective of either whats in Mark, Luke, or Matthew, ya know?

    The man should face serious discussions with his superiors about his ability to continue his job as a priest.

  13. Bernard says

    The parochial vicar (associate pastor) at Saint John Neuman church in Gaithersburg, Maryland has the first name Marcel? Could this be the priest involved? His email appears on the website and I am sure he would like to hear from those who support his actions.

    Although he may have been acting according to the dictates of his conscious in denying communion to the lesbian child of the deceased, it seems rude to leave during the eulogy and by not blessing the grave site, I believe he has done a disservice to the innocent and no doubt pious catholic deceased.

    This must be a difficult time for him, with the Archbishop publicly questioning his actions.

  14. Ninong says

    @SARGON BIGHORN: No, it’s not simple. For starters, the Catholic Church practices cafeferia enforcement when it comes to denying Communion to someone they consider to be “living in sin.”

    There was a time when I was a young altar boy (more than 60 years ago) when the priest would deny Communion to someone who had gotten divorced to remarry. Divorce was not recognized, so the person was considered to be “living in sin.” However, if their former spouse died, they could then go to Confession and receive Absolution. “Ego te absolvo.” All is forgiven, go in peace and sin no more. Now that’s simple. Ridiculous, but simple. Just say ten Our Fathers and ten Hail Marys and start all over again.

    I’m sure that worked just fine for thrice-married, serial adulterers like Rudy Giuliana or Newt Gingrich. Giuliani was even granted an annulment from his first wife after 14 years of marriage on the flimsy ground that he didn’t realize she was his second cousin and he forgot to ask for the Catholic Church’s permission to marry her (which was the rule back then). It’s still nice to be an important person when it comes to getting special favors from the Church.

    The hypocrisy of this Church is difficult for outsiders, or former members, to comprehend. To say nothing of the fact that enforcement of the rules is arbitrary and dependent on the personal biases of the individual priest. If you’re a practicing Catholic, when was the last time you saw the priest deny communion to parishioners who were known to have divorced and remarried? When was the last time you saw a priest ask Rudy Giuliani to leave St. Patrick’s Cathedral when he was attending with his third wife-to-be while still married to his second wife?

  15. Jeff says

    I’ve seen both sides. At a friend’s funeral, his lover had to sit with us because the “Church” wouldn’t acknowledge their relationship. I think the family of the deceased were afraid of the priest because when these two got “married” at a Pride Celebration, we all partied together at the reception afterward.

    At my partner’s mother’s Roman Catholic funeral, the priest talked about the remaining family members several times, mentioning each of us (me included) by name.

    Bet ya didn’t know that back in the 80’s, the Bishop of the Toledo Roman Catholic Dioceses actually appointed a Chaplin (priest) to the Dignity Chapter.

  16. JOE 2 says

    I trust that Father Guarnizo denies communion to shrimp-eaters and wearers of cotton/poly blends at their mothers’ funerals, too. Right, Sargon Bighorn? (“Lifestyle choice,” BTW.)

  17. Sam says

    @Sargon Bighorn…While you do have a point it does seem you are looking at the forest for the trees. The issue isn’t the he a problem with lesbianism, its the WAY he handled the whole situation. He is very much entitled to his opinion, but CLEARLY he should dealt with the situation BEFORE the funeral.

  18. St. Theresa of Avila says

    If I were to write him I would congratulation him for his actions: one small step towards making one of the most corrupt and ridiculous organization in the history of the world (besides perhaps the Soviet Union) that much more irrelevant.

  19. Sarm says

    In an ideal world, malicious religious entities such as this would not even exist. The cults of Abraham are a plague on humanity, and this is but one of many examples of that. It is inexcusable for that cretin to make a scene at a funeral. It does not matter what “profession” he is.

  20. says

    Oh, Sargon, please. She wasn’t expecting the Church to change for her, she was only expecting an ounce of common decency at her mother’s funeral. Priests give communion to “sinners” every day. If they excluded every person who wasn’t in line with Catholic teachings they’d be excluding most people who receive communion. Given the sins of some of the priests who are giving communion . . . Well, who’s the bigger sinner here? Even the friggin’ arch diocese said what the priest did in the middle of a funeral was wrong.

    Picking out sinners for your personal scorn in the middle of the deepest family grief cannot be spun as anything other than disgusting whether you think the Catholic church is nonsense or not.

  21. AnotherMike says

    There were other people at the funeral. The Priest seems to believe one Gay person in the crowd poisons everything and abandoned the eulogy and graveside service. What about the soul of the deceased? Wasn’t that important enough to hang around for and send off with the official blessing? Is it church doctrine to deny a funeral service to a parent who has a Lesbian daughter? Is it childish to expect the church to say the magic words for non-Gay members Mr. Bighorn?

  22. TJ says

    So, did the priest ask her (and everyone else) if she (and they) had been to confession? Escaped and recovered for many years, but isn’t confession before communion the eraser that wipes the slate? Perhaps she repented her sin and no longer bumps uglies with the woman in her home. Unless he asked her (and everyone else), how would he know? And unless he asked her and everyone else, there is absolutely no excuse. None. If there is a God, he or she weeps over such f*ckery.

  23. Mary says

    I’m of two minds on this one. The priest should hae spoken to this woman before the service about not receiving communion. To hit her with a denial of communion during her mother’s funeral service was not the way to go about it – it was hurting her at a time when she was most vulnerable. But he DOES have the right to refuse her. It’s true, we all sin. But according to the church, what she’s doing is an ongoing sin – not something she’s trying to change. So this is not akin to skipping mass or cursing, or having a one-night stand. Those who bring up the fact that Jesus ate with sinners are overlooking two facts – one, he was trying to change these sinners, not accept them as they were. And two, the sinners to be saved had to accept him and then reform their behavior.

    Also, people should keep in mind the difficult situation church leaders are in regarding how to treat people who are openly sinning. In some ways they are subject to a damed if you and damned if you don’t position. Be too lenient and people will accuse the church of being a farce that doesn’t even attempt to practice what it preaches. Be too “strict” and then you’re accused of driving people away from God and ignoring the essence of religion by having an obsession with petty issues.

    I feel for this woman and believe the priest should have been more tactful, but I also understand that his first concern had to be his obligation to uphold religious truth and serve God, and not her feelings.

  24. x man says

    A prime example right F’n here…they cry where attacking their religious freedom because we want to get married. and what are they doing? Talk about bigoted hatred from a bunch of bible thumping pedophiles….so glad Im an atheist

  25. PTBoat says

    I disagree with Sargon. I do understand that the priest was within his right to not give her communion, because she is not repentant for what he, and his church, consider a sin, but that was the only action he could or should have had even within the confines of catholic dogma.

    The priest had no right to be rude and during the service, nor did he have the right to leave. Those actions were against the woman being buried.

    This so called man of God didn’t even have the couth or compassion to forewarn the daughter about the communion situation and then to proceed with his duties to her mother. Instead, he chose to punish the woman being buried and the rest of the attendees simply because he didn’t not like the existence of the daughter of the woman being buried.

  26. Michael says

    The church doesn’t allow a man to love another man but if you Luke having sex with boys you’re not only given an endless to them but are protected from prosecution and are slowed to molest as many boys as you like? This priest looks like a pedophile too.

    Btw, being gay isn’t a sin. Anyone can Google the original meaning of the clobber passages to figure it out. You can tell a homophobe Corinthians was condemning masturbation less than a hundred years ago and it will not phase them.

  27. JOE 2 says

    Dear Mary:

    I am truly tickled and intrigued by your presence here. I absolutely love that you are making an attempt to learn what the “other side” thinks and feels. In the same spirit, I would sincerely like to know if you think the priest in this case would have been equally justified in denying communion to those who eat shellfish and/or wear cotton/poly blends, and who have no intention of altering those behaviors.

    Thank you in advance for your response.

  28. says

    if “progressive Catholics” put their money where their mouth is the change will come.

    truly.
    i’m not saying “give up your faith” – i AM saying “STOP GIVING THEM MONEY”

    organized religion is a business. businesses that lose money will change to keep financially stable.

    It’s really simple. Stop Giving The Catholic Church Money.

  29. Mary says

    Joe, I’ll be happy to answer your question. No, the priest would not have been justified in denying communion to those who eat shellfish or wear cotton/poly blends because these laws applied to Jews only. the “new covenant” (as Christians call it) doesn’t contain these rules. St. Paul says so in the New Testament. As to what sins call for denying someone communion, you’d have to ask a priest or biship about this. I am not a theologian and don’t know what the Catholic church’s policy is exactly. Clearly, they can’t deny everyone who sins communion or no one would be receiving it at all.

    And a question: are you being sarcastic when you say you’re “tickled and intrigued” by my presence here? I hope you’re being sincere. Since I’ve become more pro-gay due to reading Towleroad, you actually do have a reason to be happy about my being here (if not necessarily “tickled!”)

  30. Timothy Poisal says

    The Parable of the Good Samaritan

     25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
       26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

     27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]”

       28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

     29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

     30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

       36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

     37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

       Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

  31. TJ says

    MARY – I, for one, am (usually) tickled that you are here. But I just don’t get how Jesus and his love jibes with humiliation, disrespect, and prejudice. Unless he knows for certain, how can he refuse communion? And as has been pointed out, this was the funeral of a person with whom the priest had no beef. Refusing communion is one thing; refusing presence? So un-Christ like.

  32. says

    @SARGON: I often agree with you, but this time no. First, the priest was there for the MOTHER’S funeral; second, even as the atheist I am, I can see that this idiot failed the most basic tenets of ministry.

  33. Bob says

    FOOLISH, FOOLISH GAY CATHOLICS put money in the plate, while the bishops plot against Gay rights …. Prop 8 won because the cardinal brought in the mormons.
    Stand outside the damn church, or put a note in the plate…. Have faith

  34. JOE 2 says

    Mary,

    I am absolutely sincere when I say that I’m tickled and intrigued by your presence here. I am sick of the partisan, us-against-them b.s. that has taken over our public discourse. I am genuinely curious as to how self-identified Christians can selectively interpret the Bible to suit their pre-existing beliefs.

    So: does the “new covenant” (I confess, I don’t know what that refers to) specify animus toward those whose sexual orientation is “gay” or “bisexual”? My understanding is that Jesus never said anything about sexual orientation. Not, by the way, that what Jesus said or didn’t say has any relevance to the issue of equal rights for gay/bisexual people in the U.S., since separation of church and state is a given (in my book, anyway).

    Yours,

    JOE 2

  35. Rovex says

    New Covenant.. This is where certain people picked and chose what they wanted to be sins and what they didnt. Like all the christian cults, Catholicism has decided what bits are convenient and fit their particular delusions and wants, and has ignored the rest.

    I tend to agree that a gay person who goes to church is asking for it, but this wasn’t a Lesbians funeral, it was her mothers, she had little choice but to go.

  36. Angela Channing says

    Dear Mary:

    When you said: “Be too lenient and people will accuse the church of being a farce that doesn’t even attempt to practice what it preaches. Be too “strict” and then you’re accused of driving people away from God and ignoring the essence of religion by having an obsession with petty issues.”

    Unfortunately, the abuse scandal has completely overshadowed the “being too lenient vs too strict” debate. The continuing lack of action and in some cases, cooperation with law enforcement, has striped the moral authority of the church. They are driving people away because of this hypocrisy (real or perceived).

    Mary, I hate to tell you this but the Church is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

  37. says

    “I feel for this woman and believe the priest should have been more tactful, but I also understand that his first concern had to be his obligation to uphold religious truth and serve God, and not her feelings.”

    See, I kind of think his first obligation at a funeral would be towards feelings and towards comforting the family of the dead and not towards singling out one of the grieving for humiliation because somehow her sin is greater than every other person’s in the church.

    Given the sins of large numbers of priests you’d think there might be a certain humbleness before God, but clearly some priests are capable of ignoring the sins of their brothers but not the so-called sin of a woman who happens to love another woman. Did she wear a special sign advertising her sins, because I’m not sure how she alone attracted his attention when, for all he knew, she could have been standing next to a serial adulterer or a murderer.

    One of those times when I’m just happy no one in my family will ever be subject to the cruelty of some sadistic priest in a time of need.

  38. Jon says

    What a Fxxxing Bigot and closet case this creep is. Why any self-respecting member of the Gay or Lesbian Community would continue to walk through the doors of or follow the principles of any Organized Religion in America or abroad is really beyong me. This terrible hoax called religion that is perpetrated on the masses has done more to harm humanity than it has ever done to help it!

  39. Rin says

    **Sorry for the length, but hoping to clear up Catholic theology**

    @Mary

    Excommunication is a rare event in the modern church as Vatican II clarified and rebound the tome on interpretation of the Gospels.

    You may be excommunicated if you actively promote those policies which the Church deems “anti-Life”. In other words, you may have an abortion and repent of it. You cannot advocate it. Ted Kennedy was on the list of possible excommunication, not because he had an abortion, but because he promoted it. John Paul II, if you remember, at the start of hostilities to Iraq condemned the war as “unjust” and therefore leveled the threat against Catholics publicly supporting it (as opposed to fighting in it).

    You may be excommunicated if you “reject the Holy Spirit”–thus rejecting yourself, first, from the Body of Christ.

    As for the case with this woman…

    What was once called “Confession” in the Catholic Church was changed to “Reconciliation” in order to allow Catholics to better understand its purpose in the Ritual of Communion. Reconciliation is the means by which you bring yourself back to the body of Christ by sharing your sins with others.

    This is why, Mary, we say “Bless me…for I have sinned”. It serves two purposes, to share and unburden the individual of the sin and bring them back to the community of Christ. The modern Catholic church has confession in which you are told ways to reconcile you with your brothers and sisters and the priest forgives you in the place of the person you injured…as it is assumed that God has forgiven your sins by the debt Christ paid.

    Why taking Communion at this Mass was a big deal is because of the Communion wafer itself. The Communion wafer becomes Jesus through a “magical” transfiguration. Most people don’t understand this and feel its some kind of breaking of bread. No, no, and no. Catholics BELIEVE that it becomes Jesus, literally, not figuratively. If you don’t accept this then you make a mockery of what those who do accept this believe–regardless of whether or not you feel it is silly. This is why visiting protestants are not allowed to take Communion at the weddings of Catholics, even though they are invited to the ceremony.

    In this case, this woman was a Catholic at some point, taught at a Catholic school and therefore knew all of this before electing to participate in the Mass of her dead mother.

    That said, it is the sacred DUTY of the priest to offer the ritual of Reconciliation to all those family members prior to any Mass or ceremony performed by the Church so that they may receive Communion. Had she walked into a booth for this ritual she would have been able to receive Communion.

    Mary, as a Catholic you should know that Jesus ate with sinners to set an example, not “convert” per say as there was no religion known as Christianity. They were all Jews at this point. Jesus would not sit with PEOPLE (we’re all sinners) to convert them, but to love them, care for them, and lead them to a life where they are able to fulfill their spiritual, otherworldly potential.

    Christians/Catholics are required to set examples of Christ’s love and mercy.

    You should also know and be honest about the Church’s position on “sin”–and that is there is no hierarchy. Living in sin with someone of the same sex or someone of the opposite sex is seen no differently in the eyes of the Church. The Church requires that you be married in the eyes of the Catholic church prior to engaging in sexual activity.

    Moreover, the repetition of sin is no grounds for denial of Communion as it is acknowledged that if humans were able to attain “perfection” there would have been no need for Christ’s example and sacrifice. Were this the case, no one would receive Communion.

    We are to try our best to live as Christ’s example of love, piety, charity, compassion and forgiveness. We are to do good works. When we do none of these things we are also to remember that we have Christ’s love anyway.

    This priest was wrong, not only from the view of outsiders, but Church policy.

    He was to offer her the chance of the ritual of Reconciliation prior to Communion and/or ask her if she had recently participated. Now, if she had communicated to him in some way that she had “left” the Church, then I fully understand him denying Communion and/or removing himself from the altar so that she might use it as a layperson. After all, if you are not a Catholic, why participate in a sacred and holy ritual?

    My personal opinion is that he had his panties in a bunch over the events in Mary-land and wanted to make some sort of statement.

  40. Steve says

    Denying communion was already against established custom. But even if you can somehow justify that, there is absolutely no way to justify him stepping down when she gave the eulogy and him refusing to accompany the body to the cemetery. The priest (like so many others) is nothing but an immoral, inhuman scumbag

  41. mike/ says

    this Marcel hypocrite also has a long history of anti-abortion and anti-contraception actions not just in the U.S. but internationally; he’s written for not only extreme right wing catholic sites but also fundamentalist ones; he is a piece of work, and not very christian…

    he needs to study the history of the name of the church at which he serves; Father John Neumann is a British saint who very likely was gay, but probably celibate, whose will and final wish was to be buried next to the man, another priest, with whom he lived for many years. the British catholic church recently, under cover of night, removed his body and reburied it because they didn’t approve of his relationship – probably pushed by the Vatican to do it.

    i tried also to find out if he was born in the U.S. or somewhere else; it would have a bearing on his mentality as a priest.

  42. RayM says

    It’s one thing for him to deny her communion – that’s his right to uphold the teachings of his church, but to walk out on the daughter’s eulogy and not pray for the woman who died at the cemetery is, to me, just hateful and something to repent. Really, what would Jesus do, Father?

  43. LouAnne says

    That priest has no right to pass judgment on any one. During a church service, does he ask everyone their preferences so he knows who to give communion to? He probably has more gay and lesbians in his congregation than he knows about. But that’s not the point. The point is he is not there to judge or point fingers. I think he needs new profession if he’s going to be that way.

  44. HJA says

    Who says she was even part of the church? It might not be HER religion. My parents go to church, and they will have their funerals there, and I will attend, because even though I do not agree with their views, I’m not going to let that get in the way of loving my parents, and being there for my family. So maybe she doesn’t agree with the priest, or the church, but I doubt she would abandon her mothers funeral because of different views, and the priest shouldn’t have left, jus because someone attending had other views.

  45. buster says

    Sorry – If you’re gonna play with the devil, you’re gonna get hurt.

    Don’t want to be mistreated by a church? Then don’t attend or participate in church services. Sure, it’s awful what happened to this woman, but it’s not surprising. Any religious group has the right to be as idiotic and emotionally destructive as it wants in the performance of its own rites.

    And people who are screaming about what a terrible priest this guy is, or, worse, those Catholics who are trying to parse the canonical legality of what he did in order to defend the Church(!), are really missing the forest for the trees. Catholicism is a judgmental, anti-sexual, narrow-minded religion that freely ignores its own laws and theology whenever convenient. Like most, if not all religions, it that should be avoided at all costs. The priest is just playing out his sad, misguided part in it.

    Don’t hate the sinner, hate the organization that compels him to sin.

  46. COURAGENIGERIA says

    I am a Catholic. I retain my Catholic faith as an openly African gay man. Catholicism gives me a better knowledge of God, including the homophobic action of the church. That in particular helps me take some bold steps in faith to assert myself as a child of God not giving anyone the right to trample upon that.

    Though Catholic, I know that I am not welcome whole heartedly in the catholic church, but welcome in totality by the God who makes no mistake and who is never wrong in love. I found peace with my God. My communion is with Christ and not with a priest.

    I experienced similar thing over a year ago. I was accused during communion of having a man partner and I was to be denied communion but the priest grudgingly gave me communion. Funny enough, my ex-boyfriend visited and was in the church with me that day. He is a convert to Catholicism.
    Priest said he read about it in the news paper. I confronted him to show me the paper. He could not. Since then, I know to go to the gay friendly Catholic church.

    The advice that I give most people struggling with faith as LGBT persons particularly the young ones, is to find God personally and not through a pastor or priest. I bet you, God is not difficult to find. God is got no gate man among men or women or in a church or mosque. Be gay and find free access to your God. Denial as encouraged by some faith community is misleading and hypocritical. They would make a person worthy of hell 50 times more than if you allow them to show you the way to God as a gay or lesbian or trans person. The same Catholic Cathecism says God is everywhere, seeing everything including the thought of our hearts.” The to me it means, you need no ticket since God sees and knows you already. Be freed!

    I am indeed sorry for this sister treated by the ‘man of God” who turned God to a puppet needing HIS hands and words to act against those whom God is not pleased with. God rest mama in peace. JA

  47. BillyDee4 says

    The priest was wrong for two reasons. First, unless the woman had told him that she had committed “illicit” sexual acts and had not confessed them, the priest had no way to know the state of her soul. It is not his job to assume who is a sinner and who isn’t.
    Secondly, when she approached him for communion, he should have told her in a quiet voice that he could not in good conscience give her communion. He should not have shamed her like he did.
    Something similar happened to me a few years ago. I’m Episcopalian. The rest of my family is Roman Catholic. When my parents died the priests specifically invited me to receive communion and take part in the liturgy. When my brother got married the priest was rude to me before the service and when I came up to communion he screamed in a loud voice that I could not receive communion because I was an Episcopalian. I understood why he could not give me communion but his rudeness was inexcusable. After I walked away from him he gave communion to both of my Episcopal sons.

  48. Franie says

    THE priest looks like a LESBIAN himself — And NOT in a good way.

    She should sue him and the Catholic church for distress at her mother’s funeral, but I don’t think they have any money left after all the pedos.

  49. Jerry6 says

    In reading all of the comments, I did not see one that addressed the fact that just prier to the priest distributing the Communion wafers, he turns to the attendees at the Mass, makes the sign of the cross, and says in Latin, the words of absolution of all sins to the congregation.

    Therefore, he cannot refuse to give communion to anyone because he “Thinks” some may have sinned.

  50. Kyle says

    Let’s just say the churches views on homosexuals are right. THERE NOT, but lets just say for that being gay is a sin. Who is the church for except for sinners? Who needs communion more than those who sin against God? I just can’t figure out who the church is supposed to be helping. I say if they are no longer able to be a charity capable of supporting every one, then it is time to call this business a business and make them pay taxes.

  51. jack says

    Hey Lesbians, do yourself a favor and join a gay friendly church or better yet join no church. Religion is myth. Try to shake off the shackles of religious myths. Hey, I’m thinking about going on an expedition to find Noah’s Ark and then look for those stone tablets that the creator of the billion gallaxy universe wrote those ten commandments on. Do you want to join me? LOL!!!!!!!!!!

  52. Tom says

    Susan Werner wrote a song that is very appropriate.

    Excuse me sir, what did you say?
    You shout so loud it’s hard to tell
    You say that I must change my ways
    Or I am surely bound to hell

    Well I know you’d damn me if you could
    But my friend it’s really not your call
    If God is great and God is good
    Why is your heaven so small?

    http://www.susanwerner.com

    Peace

  53. Paul says

    Homosexuality is an abomination to God. It is written in God’s word. He will not bless the women as some have hoped. I disagree with the way the priest handled it and alot of the ways the Catholic Church has chosen to change the Bible. In this situation he is right a Gay should not be recieving the blood and body of Christ. The times may change the Bible does not. It is the one solid foundation we have to stand on and I hope more people turn to it rather than argue this silly post.

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