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Some Thoughts on the Dan Savage Bible 'Controversy': VIDEO

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"Let's get one thing straight. The Bible is unequivocal in its support for slavery...So regardless of Dan Savage's tone or how terribly offended some Christians were, his underlying point is completely valid. And it's impact was only amplified by the incredible sight of devout Christians literally fleeing from the truth about their Bible and their own moral hypocrisy. In doing so, they made his point even better than he did. After all, if you're so pious that you won't tolerate anyone speaking ill of your Bible, then how can you be so completely unprepared to face the reality of what it actually say? What kind of Christian are you? And if this is your reaction as a journalist, then what kind of journalist are you?"

Zinnia Jones hammers it out, AFTER THE JUMP...

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  1. Thank you! I'm always glad to see calm, reasoned arguments directed at those people who pick and choose what they want to believe from the bible, and then try to impose on the rest of us. I understand that these people generally close their ears and flee, but maybe--just maybe--some of them will hear.

    Posted by: kdknyc | May 1, 2012 7:56:13 AM


  2. Love your videos...Peace

    Posted by: Disgusted American | May 1, 2012 8:09:44 AM


  3. Yes! Beautifully and succinctly argued. If all of these so-called Christians want to us all to follow their Bible, we need to have a very open discussion about exactly what it contains -- all of it, not just the parts that their closted ministers obsess over.

    Posted by: kit | May 1, 2012 8:20:39 AM


  4. wow. she hit it--and hit it good.

    Posted by: DannyEastVillage | May 1, 2012 8:22:02 AM


  5. Very well done!

    Posted by: Laura | May 1, 2012 8:52:42 AM


  6. The slavery in the Bible has its ironical corollary in those people who continue to enslave themselves TO the Bible.

    A friend of mine recently visited the Sea of Galilee where he said he found that he could only wade in the water, but not, like Jesus, walk on it. "That's OK, I told him, at least you're not lying about it."

    Posted by: UFFDA | May 1, 2012 9:13:43 AM


  7. Did she say she's no journalist?! That clip contained some of the best journalistic debate I've encountered this week. Keep up the good work.

    Posted by: Arbogast | May 1, 2012 9:14:15 AM


  8. As a religious studies undergrad- here, here She hits the nail on the head.

    Posted by: Cecilfirefox | May 1, 2012 9:31:44 AM


  9. Excellent.

    Posted by: Jay | May 1, 2012 9:54:09 AM


  10. Love her.

    Posted by: BenR | May 1, 2012 10:23:44 AM


  11. Love Zinnia. Well said, girl!

    Posted by: luminum | May 1, 2012 10:25:06 AM


  12. Huge fan of Zinnia Jones - always the voice of reason.

    Posted by: Jesrad | May 1, 2012 10:50:26 AM


  13. The manufactured outrage on the right is shameless. I counted 17 links to a Savage-related story on the Breitbart homepage. Wasn't he buddies with the GOProuders?

    Posted by: kpo5 | May 1, 2012 10:50:44 AM


  14. Its about time!!! I have been saying this for years !!! Throw it back at them!!!Good job girl!! Keep up the good work !! Wait till my book comes out!!

    Posted by: Dan | May 1, 2012 10:57:01 AM


  15. The Right and The Left manufacture 'Outrages'.

    Posted by: ratbastard | May 1, 2012 11:09:55 AM


  16. Perfectly reasonable argument, well-stated. Of course, that's all a moot point. You can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into.

    Posted by: The Milkman | May 1, 2012 11:11:20 AM


  17. The Bible, Koran, Talmud, etc. are all full of crazy BS. They were written thousands of years ago aimed primarily at a captive, ignorant audience and have been used since then for control and to maintain and increase if possible, power. They've also been poorly translated and deliberately mistranslated to serve contemporary needs.

    And yes, slavery was a commonly accepted practice, including among Africans. Many people alive today probably had ancestors ho were enslaved at some point.

    Posted by: ratbastard | May 1, 2012 11:14:26 AM


  18. Bang on!

    Posted by: Ghislain | May 1, 2012 11:16:21 AM


  19. Amazing video. Go Zinnia!

    And to point out another melodramatic journalistic moment from the Christian right, here is the ACTUAL title of one of the articles she quoted: "Christian Teens Say Gay Activist Made Girls Cry."

    Posted by: ChrisM | May 1, 2012 11:26:58 AM



  20. "Many people alive today probably had ancestors ho were enslaved at some point"

    Except Willard Romney.

    Posted by: Derrick from Philly | May 1, 2012 11:34:45 AM


  21. Zinnia,

    There is a logical disconnect with your and Dan's position that the Bible is pro-slavery. You see, the Bible--as you accurately point out--put some rules and regulations on the practice of slavery, while not condemning it. According to that logic, anyone who advocates that teenagers use condoms is promoting underage sex. According to that logic, anyone who advocates clean needles is promoting drug abuse.

    The problem here is not the Bible. The problem, as many abolitionists have written, is the misinterpretation of the scriptures. People do this sort of thing all the time. They neglect to look at the scriptures in their appropriate historical and cultural contexts.

    Posted by: Milo | May 1, 2012 11:42:32 AM


  22. @Milo The Bible told peopel they shouldn't do lots of things that they were currently doing. Why didn't it condone slavery, then?

    Posted by: BenR | May 1, 2012 11:52:13 AM


  23. Milo, any book that tells you can beat your slaves so long as they don't die from the beating within a certain amount of time, but it's OK if they die from the beating after that time (what, a lingering painful death is BETTER?!) is pretty effing pro-slavery.

    For many years I was a dealer in rare books. During that time I purchased a treasure trove of Civil-War era books, everything from Southern troop records to the collected sermons of Ministers who preached in support of slavery using the Bible to support their argument. There wasn't just one of those books I saw, but several. There was a whole industry and market for books giving the Biblical defense of slavery, to salve the consciences of Southerners (and others) defending the practice of owning other humans.

    Just as there is now an industry and market for media citing the Bible in defense of homophobia, to salve the egos and consciences of those who insist they're not prejudiced against gay people even as they lobby to limit and take away our rights.

    You can try and split hairs all you want but the truth of that matter is that the Bible DOES support slavery, it does get one of the largest moral questions mankind has ever faced WRONG, Christians DO ignore the Bible's rules when they're personally inconvenient to themselves, so to single out the proscriptions against homosexuality is, as Dan Savage said, bulls**t.

    Posted by: Caliban | May 1, 2012 12:53:05 PM


  24. Spot on! (Sharing across all platforms.)

    Posted by: Oliver | May 1, 2012 1:02:21 PM


  25. @ Caliban: The abolitionists clearly saw the logical fallacy in "regulation without condemnation" = "promotion." I don't know why its so hard to understand today.

    Posted by: Milo | May 1, 2012 1:06:22 PM


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