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  1. Nick says

    Ricky’s beliefs are well known. Piers Morgan’s continual slide into obscurity and irrelevance continues. “Pastor” Warren has made a career and a healthy bank account to boot- on his intolerance and hate. You think he is going to change his mind? His theocratic double-speak would make Elmer Gantry blush….

  2. plinx says

    Oh, Rick, I’m really not scared of your non-existent god. If your god is so powerful and so anti-gay, why is marriage equality legal in so many places (and soon to be more)? Couldn’t your god prevent this from happening? Why didn’t he/she/it? Either your god is a pussy or he/she/it doesn’t agree with you. Or he/she/it’s not real. You lost, Rick, get over it. In 20 years we’ll talk about you the way we talk about George Wallace now.

  3. John Freeman says

    He fears god’s disapproval? How pathetic to live life through fear of a myth. Does he also check under the bed before he sleeps in case the bogey man is there?

  4. Jexer says

    “Marriage” is uniting two things into ONE. If things can be married together (and it is common in language to refer to things like cooking styles or musical styles being ‘married’ to other styles) then we can use the word to describe two PEOPLE being joined together into a single union.

    It’s festering amoral turds like Warren who use the doublespeak, pretending that “Traditional Marriage” includes the idea of “one man + one or more baby-making chattel”.

    Why do people continue to give irrational hate-mongers platforms? *sigh*

  5. michael says

    Saw this and was the first time I have seen him talk. He is a fat ass nelly queen. Look at his mannerisms. So sick of self loathing gay men like him.

    Burn in hell faggot

  6. TonyJazz says

    Rick Warren is a man full of bile and hatred.

    Pathetic person….

    Actually, isn’t marriage best defined as “between two single adults”? (Or does Rick want to include 13 year-olds in the South….?)

  7. RonCharles says

    This is a good reminder as to why no decent person should give even one red cent to Rick Warren, but should donate to a good human rights organization, such as GSLEN, Lambda Legal, GLAAD, the Human Rights Campaign or Freedom To Marry, instead!

  8. says

    Rick Warren goes on TV to show everyone exactly why his youngest son chose suicide-by-gun.

    The man is responsible for his own son’s suicide. Congrats, RIck! You’d rather a dead kid than a gay one and you got exactly what you wanted.

  9. Merv says

    Where are the NALTs? They’ll never say anything against a fellow Christian, but they are always ready to pounce on atheists when they speak out against hateful Christians.

  10. Donnie says

    Jesus never mentioned homosexuality at all. You would think if homosexuality was so terrible Jesus would have made a point of mentioning it. However, Jesus is very clear in the Gospel that any married person who gets a divorce and marries again is committing adultery. And yet, I’m sure this hypocrite has no problem condoning divorce. Jesus also warned us to beware the hypocrisy of religious leaders. A “brood of vipers” He called them.

  11. ToThePoint says

    If he has fear concerning gay marriage, then he should not get gay married. But he does not have the right to force others to only get straight married. That is asking all lgbt humans to lie to themselves and everyone else including the spouse that has been hoodoo’ed into thinking they are being loved honesly. This only leads to divorce and broken hearts in the end. I know since I have been there and done that to someone who did NOT deserve the heartache that resulted. He oonly has the right to speak for himself and should not be forcing his own beliefs on ALL of the world.

  12. Michael says

    Actually, Donnie, Christ mentions homosexuality as least twice.

    1) When He meets a gay man, via the Roman Centurion trying to heal his pais (a Greek term that conveys the younger male in a gay relationship) and said of him, “Never have I seen faith greater than this.” This was after Jesus wanted to go have dinner at the guy’s house and the guy said he wasn’t worthy. I’d make a wager gay relationships back then were also frowned upon by the religious right and this is why he wasn’t “worthy”.

    2) Christ mentions gay men as born eunuchs in Matthew. It comes RIGHT after the scripture used to justify how marriage is between a man and a woman (which, btw, it’s a answer to a question about adultery and isn’t meant to be the “end all” definition of marriage”.

    3) There’s some research when Christ “whom ever calls his brother ‘raca’…” where ‘raca’ was the f-word back then.

    Also, if you read the Gospel of John it’s clear if Jesus was in a relationship it would have been with John.

  13. richard says

    “Typical christian. They need to practice what they preach, WWJD?” Jesus would say repent of your sins and follow his teachings. Period. Homosexuality is not his teachings. A LGBT partnership is a civil union that should be protected by secular laws as this country endorses no specific religion. A civil union is not a marriage protected and promoted by the sanctification of Jesus’ teachings and other Holy Scriptures.

  14. gr8guya says

    The proper response to the comment that, “we can’t re-define the word marriage,” is to say that the word “marriage” has changed and evolved over the years. Originally, it meant that a man took possession of a woman and she became, virtually, his property. The
    concept of a marriage of equals is relatively recent. Language and institutions change over time to keep up with evolving concepts of equality and freedom. To oppose that is to oppose the principle that this country is built upon: All men are created equal.

  15. jeffsfla says

    Rick Warren is just wrong. Instead of attacking loving couples all these years maybe he should have paid more attention to his own family. Shame on him.

  16. FFS says

    Actually, the historical definition of marriage as it has most commonly been practiced is “one man and however many women he has the energy and interest to beat into submission.”

    Don’t take something and change its meaning to suit your purposes, Ricky. That’s doublespeak.

  17. andrew says

    Doesn’t Rick Warren know that as a Baptist, he is living in heresy outside the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. In living his life outside the Catholic Church, without the benefits of the sacraments instituted by Christ to give grace, he is in serious danger of eternal damnation. That’s what the Nuns taught me in Catholic School, so it must be true. Teachers of religion always teach the truth. Don’t they? LOL LOL LOL

  18. Bill says

    @Michael: you got it slightly scrambled. In that story, the centurion was a Roman officer, with something like 100 people reporting to him. In Roman culture, if he wanted what would now be called a boy toy, that was fine as long as the boy toy had low social status. That would be true partly because of his age, but maybe due to being a slave. The other requirement is that the centurion had to be a top – sexual roles had to reflect social positions. What the people the Romans were occupying thought would have been irrelevant to him – if they were disrespectful, they could have ended up in a lot of trouble.

    The reason the story has the centurion saying that he was not worthy to have Jesus as a guest in his home was to give Jesus a status far beyond what he would have as a mere citizen of an occupied state – that would have been the obvious interpretation to a Roman reader at the time, and to the people the Romans were occupying as they knew how the Romans behaved.

    Curiously, I read recently that when they looked at early Christian documents – ones written before what appears in the Bible – what you find out is that the number of reported miracles increases with the time at which the document was written. That sort of thing happens when stories are passed verbally and embellished along the way, with the “best” embellishments kept.

  19. anon says

    The Gospel of John, which apparently was not written by a single author, would be from the perspective of John, and therefore have the view that Jesus favored John over the other disciples, but would not necessarily show that Jesus did indeed do so, only that John wished it so.

  20. EdA says

    “I think historically, around the world, the vast majority of people would say marriage means one man and one woman in a commitment.”

    And -I- think that historically, around the world, the vast majority of people felt that marriage meant one man and a minimum of one woman, who may or may not have had a choice in the matter (as is well documented in the Bible) in a commitment that was obligatory only for the woman/women.

    In 2006, Forbes, that hotbed of American radical thinking, estimated that this religious grifter took in $25 million from the gullible and the desperate. If he really feared the disapproval of god, he’d have spent the past five years denouncing the scumminess, heartily and explicitly condemned by Jesus, of his fellow Republiscum.

  21. Lexis says

    “I think historically, around the world, the vast majority of people would say marriage means one man and one woman in a commitment. Don’t take a term and make it something different.”

    Yeah, notice he left out the word “lifelong” commitment. Divorce used to be almost impossible. Plus, marriage used to mean wives were the property of their husbands. And often the contract had little to do with love and commitment. In fact, in some cases it actually was a “same-sex” contract with two fathers agreeing to what property would be transferred if the marriage of their children took place. So who’s been allowed to make the term something different?

  22. Sean Maloney says

    Who cares what this turd thinks. He’s a dinosaur doomed for extinction. Exit, stage left. The sooner the better. And don’t let the doorknob hit you where YOUR good lord done split you.

  23. trg says

    I’m glad Piers brought this up in the interview. Rick says he welcomes all LGBT people into his church – and they can expect “full acceptance.” Well, at least they won’t get harassed.

    What is more disturbing is Dr. Daniel Amen’s affiliation with Warren. He’s brought up Warren and his church before in one of his lectures as a success story for weight loss.

    Dr. Daniel Amen is one of the most effective mental health Dr.’s in the world today. Why he would sup with a man who’s attitudes have led so many to addiction, alcoholism and self destruction is beyond me.

  24. Rob says

    Time to pool about $100,000 to pay a rent boy to move there, join the church administration and seduce this jerk. With a camera. So much waiting for his George Rekers, Ted Haggard, Larry Craig moment.

    A majority of young people are straight, but a majority of young suicide victims are gay.

    Just sayin’.

  25. Mark says

    I’m so glad I’m not alone when it comes to his son and the circumstances surrounding his death. I’ve wondered, for a very long time, whether it could have been out of fear of being ostracized from the family over gayness.

    Warren’s Religion-Machine is enormous. If his son were to have come out, no one in the Warren clan would have wanted that kind of exposure. It could have been devastating for the enterprise. And in that connection, Warren would have then become irrelevant. It all makes so much more sense to me now.

    My mom is 89 years old. When the news broke that Warren’s son had killed himself, she called and told me there was no doubt in her mind that he did it out of fear of his father, and what his father would do to him because of his gayness. I discounted the notion, and even told her it was too far-fetched. She insisted, it was not at all far-fetched and that someday the news could also come out that he was about to come out. She said the news would eventually come from either one of his friends or maybe even from one of his boyfriends. She also said that if not, then perhaps they had been bought off.

    I didn’t believe any of this. But now, seeing posts here alluding to that possibility, the theory would make sense. I saw him recently on TV, and it seemed as though he side-stepped questions about his son’s death like a politician would.

    A suicide is awful for the survivors to have to live with – we’ve had it happen in our own family. But the underlying reasons why people do what they do don’t always have to be as complex as Warren tried to make them out to be on his recent TV interview. Sometimes it can be nothing more than a family’s threat to throw you out (and deny you family love) because of who you are and who you happen to be.

    All I know is, I’ve been in a same-sex relationship for 30 years and got legally married in 2013. Marriage DOES make a positive difference, in the way you handle your business affairs, your home, and the way you live in general.

    Perhaps that is what Warren’s son wanted, and the dish that he was seeking wasn’t on Warren’s menu.

  26. richard says

    @ Tyler – Please crack a book called The Bible and provide one reference of Holy Scripture endorsing the LGBT lifestyle? There is none. That being said, the secular laws of the USA in no way should discriminate against a Christian marriage, or a secular civil union. No phobias as you erroneously suggest. Just facts. Accept that LGBT lifestyles are NOT Christian values, but the laws should protect all regardless of values. I’m on your side, just explaining the differences. Simply, marriage is man/woman, civil union is all others, with ALL the same rights and privileges.

  27. j.martindale says

    What a stupid and illiterate man. When talking of Orwell’s take on language, Orwell never suggested that language was static or dead. When satirizing Communism in Animal Farm, Orwell was noting that Communists hypocritically distorted the meaning of words for propaganda purposes. The term “marriage” could certainly evolve to include, in today’s society, same sex coupling. There is no distortion, merely evolution. On the other hand, when fundamentalists claim that gays are being intolerant of religious people by demanding equal treatment under the law, I could definitely see Orwell writing a chapter or two about how some people deserve to be more equal than others.

  28. CPT_Doom says

    Richard – please define what you mean by a “bible.” Are you referring to a text endorsed by the Holy See, or are you referring to the blasphemous work of Satan known as the “King James”? You see, like Andrew above, I was raised in the One True Church of God, the Roman Church (which uhtil the 12th century blessed same-sex relationships between men), and if you are not a member of that Church, you cannot say anything about Holy Scripture, because you’ve never read it. Just like Mr. Warren, who lives in open rebellion against God by practicing a perversion of Christianity and forcing real Christians to accept it. He also lives in open rebellion by living in sin with his “wife” in a relationship that is not blessed by God.

    Of course, I am actually an atheist and have given up all religion, but if you and Warren want to spew religious crap, you should at least be aware that billions of your fellow humans ain’t exactly happy with your lifestyle choices either. Yet you demand we accept and approve of them.

  29. mollypot says

    Rick Warren didn’t “fear God” about the Congolese genocide that his purpose-driven nation of Rwanda perpetrated for the past 20 years. Under Warren’s tutelage, 8 million Congolese civilians were brutally murdered, millions more displaced from their homes, and hundreds of thousands systematically raped as a weapon of war. All this to gain access to billions of dollars from conflict minerals, including gold and coltan (used in cell phones). Warren fears God enough to bully gay people, but genocide for profit? Not so much.

  30. John says

    What group of young men has the highest rates of depression and suicidal tendencies? Gays with wingnut pastors for a father. Just my gut talking, but my gut is usually correct. Rick Warren should be tried for murder.

  31. ThomT says

    I’m just surprised that Rick didn’t pass the collection plate after his sermon. After all it’s really just about the money for all these celebrity ministers whose life styles are way way way above those of their “flock”. Believe me, he already has more to fear from his “God” than if he were to accept marriage equality. Remember it is harder for a rich man to get into heaven than to pass a camel through the eye of a needle.

  32. Rod Roddy lookalike says

    I agree with David Ehrenstein, who posted on Sat after non, 12/7/13: I believed/sensed there was a LOT more to the story of Warren’s son’s suicide than what the family said, as soon as they said it. Sorry, Ricky-baby, but your story doesn’t add-up, and doesn’t seem honest, AT ALL.

  33. says

    “Simply, marriage is man/woman, civil union is all others, with ALL the same rights and privileges.”

    Um, @Richard, no. Marriage is people who are married. I’m as married as you are, assuming you’re married. Individual churches are free to sanction whichever marriage ceremonies they want to, but there are many couples–straight and gay–who have no particular desire to have the church involved in their marriage. However, many Christians support both gay people and the marriages of gay couples. In my state, many in the faith community supported marriage equality from both a faith and legal standpoint.

    Civil unions exist, but only for those who are civilly unioned. Calling the marriage of a gay couple a civil union is ignoring reality.

  34. Bill says

    @nikko: the Biblical versus uses the term “born eunuchs” and that probably does not refer specifically to gay men. It probably covers a whole spectrum of cases including various congenital birth defects.

    One web site claims that the Greek word is Eunouchos (remember, the text was originally written in Greek), and that that word has a variety of meanings, but refers only to men.

    http://www.internationalstandardbible.com/E/eunuch.html has an analysis (probably biased towards institutionalized Christian interpretations).

  35. watson says

    And claiming his son killed himself because of his views? How dare you. Plenty of people commit suicide when they have loving parents, and he is one of them. I know quite a deal about him and he would never have ostracized his son as simply as you all say. Would smash every other parent who has had a child commit suicide? How would you feel if somebody did that to you? He isn’t forcing his beliefs on the world, he is saying what he believes to be true as you are, there’s no difference. Quit bashing on him just because he disagrees with you – he doesn’t blast the concept of tolerance he just says we’ve misunderstood it. It isn’t tolerant to agree, that’s being a pushover. It’s tolerant to acknowledge and not smash other people’s beliefs. If you think he should be tolerant how about you practice tolerance of him

  36. Lisa says

    Wow, it is amazing how you expect us to tolerate your beliefs but you refuse to tolerate ours.

    And Stephen, WWJD you ask? Go and sin no more, is what he frequently said.

  37. Lisa says

    Donnie Jesus mentioned Homosexuality by stating that a man and woman constitute a marriage.

    Matthew 19:4-6 (NKJV) And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 “and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 “So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

  38. richard says

    @ Ernie. Only misguided Christian faiths and churches endorse homosexuality. A true Christian church loves the sinner, not the sin. They have caved to secular pressures and cowardice instead of loving God through difficult obedience. Christian churches once endorsed slavery, too, under secular pressures. Over the past century they have endorsed the breakdown of the American family with divorce causing rampant social problems now. Again, secular pressures. Christian churches that love and welcome gay people are one thing. They are welcomed in hopes through love and faith, LGBT will repent and demonstrate their faith through loving obedience. Being gay and a church member, or marriage are categorically unbiblical. Any “Christian” church that endorses homosexuality, or divorce for that matter, is a flawed congregation. Sorry.

  39. Travis says

    “Jesus Never Mentioned Homosexuality”

    When gays have birthdays, they don’t mention everything they don’t want but say positively what they do want.
    Likewise, Jesus didn’t negatively list every sexual variation He knew mankind would invent, but positively stated that marriage involves only a man and a woman!
    Google or Yahoo “God to Same-Sexers: Hurry Up,” “The Background Obama Can’t Cover Up,” and “USA – from Puritans to Impure-itans.”

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