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Head of Anglican Church Says Embracing Gay Marriage Could Lead to Murder of African Christians

Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury and head of the Church of England, has warned that embracing same-sex marriage could inadvertently lead to the persecution and murder of Christians around in the world, particularly in Africa.

Justin welbyIn an interview with LBC on Friday, Welby said that he'd been warned while on his visit to South Sudan that the Church of England accepting gay marriage could lead to some communities believing having Christians among them could make them gay and reacting by murdering the Christians. As such, he cautioned the church to refrain from making any drastic doctrinal changes, such as allowing members to carry out same-sex marriage ceremonies. 

"What we say here is heard around the world," the Archbishop, who had earlier revealed that the average Church of England worshipper is a sub-Saharan African woman in her 30s, responded.

"Well, why can’t we just do it now? Because, the impact of that on Christians in countries far from here, like South Sudan, like Nigeria and other places, would be absolutely catastrophic, and we have to love them as much as we love the people who are here.

"At the same time, we have to listen incredibly carefully to the LGBT communities here, and listen to what they’re saying, and we have to look at the tradition of the church, and the teaching of the church, and the teaching of scripture, which is definitive in the end, before we come to a conclusion.

Throughout the interview (which you can check out here), Welby appeared to be trying to appease both religious tradiitonalists and those who want the church to recognize LGBT equality. To his credit, Welby recognized the damage that homophobic behavior causes on LGBT individuals, particularly teens.

Back in July, the Church of England introduced a campaign to combat homophobic bullying in schools across the UK.  

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  1. Christians love, love, love to be martyrs for their god, so this should work out well for everyone concerned.

    Posted by: Bucky | Apr 6, 2014 11:37:51 AM


  2. "some communities believing having Christians among them could make them gay..." Well if they are that stupid, there is not much to be done for them anyway.

    Posted by: Joel | Apr 6, 2014 11:39:53 AM


  3. This is what happens when people believe in a imaginary being. This guy is only one notch higher than the ignorant savages (and yes they are both ignorant and savages) he is warning people about.

    Posted by: dearcomrade | Apr 6, 2014 11:43:31 AM


  4. I'm beginning to think that when the leaders of hate groups sit around trying to come up with excuses for bigotry, they must be smoking some really strong ganja.

    Posted by: SteveInDE | Apr 6, 2014 11:46:55 AM


  5. How convenient that he has come up with this new rational to support his opposition to marriage equality. If he is concerned that Christians in these countries could be put at risk if the Church of England modifies it's doctrine then he must support the idea that Christians in Moslem countries should deny they are Christians since this would place them in danger and he would be opposed to any group sending bibles to people in these countries.

    Posted by: PLAINTOM | Apr 6, 2014 11:58:08 AM


  6. It's really embarrassing for the Anglican Church; I don't know how they fix this.

    Some have pointed out that it could be Welby is twisting the following story around, or perhaps even worse, that Welby was gullible enough to let it be twisted around on him?

    http://www.anglicannews.org/news/2014/02/female-church-workers-raped,-killed-in-south-sudan.aspx

    Posted by: Randal Oulton | Apr 6, 2014 12:00:13 PM


  7. So I guess what this means is that if you try to substitute one superstition for another, it probably won't work out the way you intended.

    Why not try to use scientific reality instead? That way, you can actually do something to help people. But I guess that's not the real concern here, is it?

    Posted by: Randy | Apr 6, 2014 12:00:55 PM


  8. Ah. They don't want to be bigots. The terrorists are making them be bigots. If only people could understand that they're only bigots out of concern for humble innocents. Theirs is a loving bigotry.

    Posted by: JJ | Apr 6, 2014 12:08:46 PM


  9. I can' think of anything more anti-christian than the premise of his argument. By that reasoning the apostles should have kept their mouths shut for the sake of the poor Christians being fed to the lions. He better not be planning any more trips to the Sudan because England has marriage equality, and he is English, therefore he could make them gay!

    Posted by: Craig | Apr 6, 2014 12:29:32 PM


  10. There can be no no no NO accommodation for ignorance and irrational bigotry. What is this man talking about? That allowing CIVIL marriage for same-sex couples in Great Britain may endanger christians in countries like South Africa or Nigeria or Uganda and perhaps cause them to be murdered? I think the archbishop needs to understand that such ignorance and bigotry is a direct result of christianity itself. Sorry, archbishop, but we are talking about CIVIL marriage not RELIGIOUS marriage. There is a big difference and you need to get off your comfortable, secure, effete ass and get out there and explain the difference to your ignorant christian flock, no matter what country they inhabit.

    Posted by: jamal49 | Apr 6, 2014 12:35:06 PM


  11. Wow. cowardice is the appropriate response to ignorance, bigotry, and superstition.

    Or maybe it's the other way around.

    Posted by: Ben in Oakland | Apr 6, 2014 12:45:34 PM


  12. Obsolete mythology must remain so because the ignorant demand it, or could become violent if it doesn't.

    Posted by: StevyD | Apr 6, 2014 12:49:33 PM


  13. Pandering to blood thirsty terrorists only emboldens them, Archbishop, so don't.

    Posted by: Sean | Apr 6, 2014 12:53:41 PM


  14. Sorry, Archbishop, but as an Episcopalian (the US branch of the Church of England) we've heard this all before and bought none of it.

    I look at this way: they are free to discuss the "horrors" of my homosexuality after they've addressed their own genocides in Africa, and not before. This is ridiculous.

    You don't oppress your own people, already sitting in the pews in England, because someone is homophobic in Africa.

    The Methodists already went down that road last year, and in all likelihood, it will mean that they split the American church off from the worldwide church. We Epsicopalians are already pretty darned dismissive of the Communion as it is. What you did to Bishop Robinson was appalling.

    How long do you intend to have me wait for my humanity ... how long does it take a bunch of hate filled people on another continent to embrace me? Enough of this.

    Posted by: Craig | Apr 6, 2014 12:54:32 PM


  15. @JAMAL49, the distinction between civil and religious marriage isn't the same in the UK as in the US. The Church of England is a branch of the state, with seats in the House of Lords, and rites codified by law. He's talking about whether church rites will be updated to fit the new marriage law.

    Posted by: JJ | Apr 6, 2014 12:55:02 PM


  16. So let me get this, erm, straight. The church implants itself in african villages, towns, and cities. The church foments a view with the citizens of these places that homosexuals are evil, of satan, etc. Then, when it becomes apparent that that kind of attitude back home is seen as stupid, ignorant, and ridiculous; the church claims that they cannot possibly now do the right thing because the villages, towns, and cities they've been preaching hate to all these years might "suddenly" turn on them.

    I think the only adequate response here is for the church leaders to stand up in every single village, town, and city they've infected with their stupid nonsense and explain why they were so utterly, completely, wrong to have so delightedly taken a position of hate in the first place.

    Surely, with god on their side, they should be able to defuse the mess they've so happily cultivated over the years, right? Or is this guy saying that their god won't protect them from their own stupid?

    It must be hard to reap what one sowed, eh Justin?

    Posted by: phluidik | Apr 6, 2014 1:09:32 PM


  17. If this is for real, he can still allow for local control over this issue. For instance, the U.S. and Canadian branches of the Church can allow it within their own countries. I can see that allowing it within the U.K. would be problematic for the reason stated, but they could at least recognize marriages performed by the U.S. or Canadian branches of Episcopalian (U. S.) or Anglican (Canada) church in the U.K.

    Posted by: Shlomo | Apr 6, 2014 1:10:23 PM


  18. African Christian Homosexuals are being murdered NOW, Justy! So go jam that crucifix up your crusty rectum.

    Posted by: THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID | Apr 6, 2014 1:17:05 PM


  19. But we can't be mean to Hitler he will start killing the Jews.

    Posted by: UrbanMike | Apr 6, 2014 1:19:27 PM


  20. @URBANMIKE: a better analogy would be, "We Germans can't object to Hitler continuing to kill the Jews or he will hurt us."

    It's pure cowardice presented as concern for the oppressed.

    Posted by: Vint | Apr 6, 2014 1:25:45 PM


  21. This idiot continues to vomit his nonsense; since his ordination he has not uttered one sensible coherent of factual statement. Such an idiot!

    Posted by: BRAINS | Apr 6, 2014 1:40:42 PM


  22. "Christians" are half of the ones doing the murdering, so who does he think will be doing the killing? Muslims? Muslims and Christians never had to have a excuse to fight in the past, so I doubt marriage equality will make a difference.

    Posted by: Anony6 | Apr 6, 2014 1:45:21 PM


  23. I'd be lion if I said it would matter to me.

    Posted by: Hansel Currywurst | Apr 6, 2014 1:51:06 PM


  24. Unlike the Central African Republic where the Christians are busy slaughtering Muslims - http://www.npr.org/2014/02/13/276276857/peacekeepers-fail-to-stop-violence-in-central-african-republic

    Posted by: Larry McD | Apr 6, 2014 1:58:34 PM


  25. I can see the lives of black African women are of no concern to you gays because the ability to enter a church and santify your monogamish open marriages is more important.

    It is clear that you all are not up on current events. However, there is a violent genocidal war against Christians in Sudan by terrorist Muslims.

    But you do not care if the church's acceptance of sodomy would cause more innocent lives...just what I would expect.

    Posted by: June | Apr 6, 2014 2:05:19 PM


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