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  1. ScottCA says

    Only an issue because the ignorant parents make it one. ”

    “There’s some things that we can accept in society that children are not going to accept the same way that we do” – that seems to be exactly backwards.

  2. says

    The irony – had Roger Bard not been carefully taught how to hate, he’d not hold this “opinion”

    I have a nephew who is 9, and there’s a girl in his class who is, yes, transgender. wanna know the amazing thing? her fellow students understand her – and have no weirdness about her, nor confusion, nor prejudice toward her.

    hatred and prejudice are taught. and they’re taught young.

  3. sjaeger says

    That comment, ScottCA, reminds me of the commercial showing a biracial couple about which the right wing nutcases threw a conniption fit. When shown to kids they couldn’t understand the problem. They had to be told that it was a biracial couple that was bad. The kids won’t necessarily recognize that a transsexual teacher is/was a man unless the parents complain about it. Which again proves the line from South Pacific. “You have to be carefully taught” to hate. The parents want the kids to hate. I keep hoping that as the millenials grow up and have kids there will finally be a lessening of this idiotic thinking.

  4. sjaeger says

    That comment, ScottCA, reminds me of the commercial showing a biracial couple about which the right wing nutcases threw a conniption fit. When shown to kids they couldn’t understand the problem. They had to be told that it was a biracial couple that was bad. The kids won’t necessarily recognize that a transsexual teacher is/was a man unless the parents complain about it. Which again proves the line from South Pacific. “You have to be carefully taught” to hate. The parents want the kids to hate. I keep hoping that as the millenials grow up and have kids there will finally be a lessening of this idiotic thinking.

  5. JMartindale says

    I see nothing inherently wrong in letting her go. If the school didn’t know, that means that she may have lied on her application for employment. That alone would be grounds for termination.

    Also, given the extremely high rates of suicide and mental illness among trangenders, the school has to think about how that might impact the children. In addition to secondary mental illness, remember that transgenderism itself continues to be listed in the DSM V, which sets forth treatable mental conditions. It is under different categories now, but it’s still there. Kids have a right to a mentally and emotionally healthy teacher.

    And if she is not just trans but also a trans activist, then she is also very likely antigay. So letting her go is a good thing for the safety and dignity of the LGB students in her class.

  6. Tyler says

    Wow, really Kiwi? Cuz I have a niece who goes to school with, yes, a trans activist boy, aged 4. He tries to inculcate them all with gender theory and demands that everyone refer to him as “they” and “zir”. All his peers hate him.

  7. jaker says

    i@jmartindale. weaksauce. what’s between her legs is none of the school’s business. and if she’s competent and professional, the onlyargument you have is anti transgender bigotry, which is wrong

  8. dana says

    If the school moves to dismiss her, she can sue and win in court. Texas may not protect its transgender citizens but the federal government does…. Federal courts have consistently ruled that transgender discrimination is the same as gender discrimination and is illegal under federal law.

  9. JMartindale says

    Jaker, what is between her legs is not the issue. What is written on her job application is an issue. And what is between her ears is an issue. Schools should not be subjecting young children to mental illness and homophobia, which is the unsavory package you are likely to get if you hire a trans activist.

  10. pete n sfo says

    What exactly do these parents think goes on in that school on a substitute teacher day?

    Seems like fear grown of ignorance to me.

    And anyone that thinks trans-folks are damaged, or dangerous in any way, obviously doesn’t know enough trans people.

  11. Derrick from Philly says

    Wacky.

    Rick is using three (maybe four)different poster names to argue with himself today.

    You should write plays or screenplays, Rick…for right-wing nuts, of course.

    Rick, why don’t you bring “Enchantra” back from the dead? She was fun to insult. Oh, well, I guess you don’t want to wear drag to the keyboard anymore.

  12. Debs says

    Dana,

    lol! no federal courts have ruled that way. If they did, we should immediately drop gender identity from ENDA, since is what is killing job protections for LGBs. in fact, we should drop gender identity from ENDA regardless.

    the EEOC put out a guidance that includes gender identity. but no court is bound by the EEOC’s opinion, and if this tranny sues on that basis, s/he/it will lose big time.

  13. TheDrDonna says

    Pete N SFO: Please do not speak for trans* people. You are a cisgender male and have no right to characterize us or speak for us. We do not need or want a white knight.

    Trans* folk have rates of suicide/suicidal attempts/suicidal ideation of approximately 71% and commit crimes leading to incarceration at a rate 5X greater than the general population. We have serious issues and it doesn’t help any of us when arrogant white knights like you try to sweep our issues under the rug.

  14. dana says

    @Debs- Since it’s clear you didn’t go to law school, I suggest you try using google. As an aside, cool the incendiary rhetoric, it detracts from your point and makes you look like a jerk.

  15. Derrick from Philly says

    @ “leading to incarceration at a rate 5X greater than the general population. We have serious issues and it doesn’t help any of us when arrogant white knights like you try to sweep our issues under the rug”

    OK. That makes 5 different personalities that Rick is using to post comments in this discussion.

    Rick, you are not fit to use THEDRDONNA’s posting name.

    I may be a drunk, but Rick is one sick b1tch.

  16. Tyler says

    Rick, I’m not Transphobic. So when you post transphobic things under my name you just make it all the more obvious that you’re a troll using dozens of usernames to irritate the other commenters on here.

    And your transphobic lies don’t fool anyone. What kind of sociopath is desperately obsessed with tearing down Transgender people? Oh right, you.

    I obviously agree with Kiwi on Trans issues, so using my name to attack him is clearly just projection on your part. And impersonating TheDrDonna, one of the most authoritative pro-trans commenters on this site, is rather low.

    As Derrick points out, Rick is posting under the names Jaker, JMartindale, (fake) Tyler and Debs. Four aliases in just a single comment thread alone. I guess he doesn’t have a life or a job. I guess his mother’s corpse doesn’t charge him $$$ to live in her basement.

  17. William Berensen says

    Derrick, WTF are you banging on about? I literally don’t understand one single thing you wrote. Dr. Donna is a transwoman and we should defer to trans people when they represent themselves. It is appallingly rude of you to do otherwise.

  18. Thedrdonna says

    Hahaha ohh the pathetic troll resorts to using my name again to try to lend their bigotry some gravitas. Troll, your opinions are bad and you should feel bad.

  19. Thedrdonna says

    Right, William. I you really thought that was me, and you actually read what that troll said with my name, then you must not have read anything else I’ve written in my time as a commentor at this site. The statistics were wrong, and the conclusions drawn from them were openly bigoted.

  20. says

    I agree, Tyler. It’s not just an annoyance, at this point it’s just f***ing irresponsible for any and all who run this website.

    New commenting system. Get on it. I’ll happily donate to a freakin’ kickstarter to get it done, if need be. Come on, Andy.

    This is not about “free speech” nor “creating a place for varied discussion” – you want varied discussions of WORTH on your blog? Change this abysmal commenting system. It’s not working. At all.

  21. The Real Tyler says

    Lol! The last sentence in Tyler’s comment above makes clear that Tyler=Little Kiwi. So get this: LK creates fake names to accuse other people of creating fake names. You can’t make this insanity up.

    Of course, we know that Kiwi has no life, no real job, and a rapidly vanishing hairline. He does however, have a living mother. Even if she looks like the Crypt Keeper, has the personality of Anne Romney, and is best known for her public support of Toronto Mayor Rob Ford.

  22. The Real Tyler says

    Tyler: We need a new commenting system!

    Kiwi (2 seconds later): I totally agree with myself!

    Lol! Kiwi, you freak, you are the worst violator of this commenter system on this blog. You create endless aliases. You insult people. You urge people to commit suicide. You mock people by wishing death on their parents. You are without question one of the most disturbed people to visit any LGBT blog. If there is a new comment system, you should be the first one banned.

  23. Tyler says

    Lol The “Real” Tyler seems obsessed with the idea that Little Kiwi and I are the same person. Because we both happen to not be sociopathic republican trolls who hate women, gay men and transgender people. We’re so tolerant and accepting and helpful that we must be the same person. Terrific logic, fake Tyler (aka Rick).

    I’m sorry you’re so peeved about the fact that the other commenters are totally onto your shenanigans and that your unique brand of hatred is visible instantly.

    And the best example of this is the point about Kiwi’s hairline receding. That’s a point that you and ONLY you and your aliases ever bring up. That’s what transparency is. You’re so friggin’ obvious that you’re actually failing at trolling.

    Why are you obsessed with Kiwi? Perhaps its because he has a supportive family and friends and a life. You’re just a sad pathetic troll.

    Sincerely, the actual Tyler (and not the alias Rick keeps trying to make happen but isn’t).

  24. Derrick from Philly says

    William Berensen? Who?

    That makes the sixth personality (posting name) that Rick is using for this thread.

    All right, I’m through here. Or as we say in North Philly, I’m THU’ .

  25. says

    Like I’ve said before, those with nothing of worth to say about themselves will make up lies about others.

    to the coward who obsesses about me on here: it’s ok. i’m used to it. since i was a teen i’ve been the object of many obviously-deranged adult’s obsessions. its’ scary, but i’m used to it at this point.

    I am not Tyler, Tyler is not me.

    http://www.toptobottomnyc.com/2012/07/the-voice-of-reason-interview-with.html

    lying about me and my family because you cannot share a single positive truth about you or your own will not make my life worse, nor your life better.

    but as i’ve said, at 32 and having been fully Out for nearly 15 years now, i’ve become very used to being the target of obsession by mentally ill people with lives devoid of worth.

  26. TheFutureIsNow says

    I am from Lumberton, TX (even attended that school), and I can say that the vast majority of people don’t appear to have an issue, but as usual the outspoken few are heard the loudest initially. Hopefully, the school board meeting tonight will have a positive outcome!

  27. TheFutureIsNow says

    I am from Lumberton, TX (even attended that school), and I can say that the vast majority of people don’t appear to have an issue, but as usual the outspoken few are heard the loudest initially. Hopefully, the school board meeting tonight will have a positive outcome!

  28. William Berensen says

    Dr. Donna, I am not sure who is who any more to be honest. But I stand by the proposition that trans people should be empowered to speak for themselves. And as I just googled on this, it would appear that the first Dr. Donna is correct. The trans suicide rate is 30% and the attempt and ideation rate is about 41%. So that would make the combined rate about 71%. I don’t see how it is bigoted for a transwoman to want that issue dealt with and not swept into the closet.

  29. Thedrdonna says

    William, I am trans. You’re combining rates by addition when there’s almost certainly a large overlap between the two. What studies I’ve seen state that the number of trans adults who report at least some suicide ideation is 50%, much lower than the numbers the fake DrDonna posted. And, regardless of the rate, they don’t mean that a person who is a part of that category should be fired as a result. The first post was a sad attempt to use my good name to lend credence to a bigoted viewpoint. They aren’t trans, and their interest is in damaging the trans community.

  30. Thedrdonna says

    And, further, the high suicide and ideation rate of trans people stems from the same cause as the higher-than-normal rates of suicide and ideation among LGB people: bigotry and rejection by friends, family, and society at large for living their authentic lives. The solution to this is to remove barriers between LGBT people and those lives, like employment protections, marriage for those who want it, and medical coverage for trans folk. The way you make that rate creep higher is by justifying workplace discrimination against LGBT people, like the troll was attempting to do under my name.

  31. Tyler says

    TheDrDonna, don’t take it to heart. Rick hates positivity and acceptance, and lashes out at all the commenters that call him out for being a jerk. It’s a sign that you’re actually a person of worth on this site. You’ve “arrived.”

  32. William Berensen says

    So what is the combined suicide/suicide attempt/suicidal ideation rate if you factor out double counting?

    FWIW, the 41% that I saw wasn’t combined by me, it was presented as a combined figure for attempt and ideation. I assume that statisticians know how to avoid double counting. The 30% was a separate number, but it is/was the rate of actual suicide, and I don’t see how that could be double counted as attempt/ideation inasmuch as those people would not be alive and responding to surveys.

  33. David says

    Transgenderisim is complete nonsense. One cannot be born the wrong gender, it’s hocus pocus. gender dysphoria is legally classified as a mental illness so unless we’re seceding and admitting that WE GAYS also have a mental illness we need to drop the t and sever the gay connection to gender dyspohoria once and for all. We do ourselves no favors with “T” in our acronym. Please don’t attack me and take my words to heart, thank clearly and logically about what I’m saying. Why do we have a known and accepted mental illness in our acronym? I DONT GET IT. Should we add Schizophrenia to our group to?

  34. Tyler says

    Little Kiwi,

    So in that interview, you acknowledge that you are a bum who spends most of his time watching movies and reading. You have no spouse/partner. And you support physically assaulting with foreign substances public officials who are “wrong” and who won’t “dialog”..

    Yeah, you’re doing real well. I am sure this is what your parents hoped for you back when you were a little boy. For heaven’s sake, take a break from the net, look at your life and get on a path that is at least somewhat likely to lead to happiness and a life longer than 40 years.

  35. Mike says

    I feel the parents have every right to want whatever teacher they want to teach over their child. Teachers do have an influence on children and there’s a whole list of varying reasons a parent might not want a particular teacher teaching their child.

  36. Tress4 says

    I don’t feel the trans teacher should be fired, but I also don’t think a parent HAS to have their child taught by any teacher and have no input. There’s a middle ground.

  37. Klien says

    Why would she have not been forthcoming on her application though? That’s the thing with the trans community. For as loud as they get behind a computer screen in demanding their rights they deserve, when it comes to being out and open in society, be it in a dating setting or any setting, they are hidden and then act outraged when someone is surprised to find they are trans. If you’re truly proud, why go out of your way to keep it hidden.

  38. DesiresFontaine says

    I’m conflicted. On one hand, of course she shouldn’t lose her job. But on the other hand, I remember being that age and I know my peers would be unbelievably distracted by having a trans teacher. That’s the honest truth. Not the PC truth. But in all honesty, not much learning would be occurring in that classroom as there would be fixation over something else. I don’t know, it’s a tough spot.

  39. Thedrdonna says

    William, the combined rate has been found to be between 40-50%. That’s high, but it’s also dropping as more trans people are able to come out, transition, find acceptance, and continue in their lives. Increased access to medical care, and removing barriers to employment, are the two primary ways that we can reduce the suicide rates at an institutional level. Of course, you can’t legislate acceptance into the hearts of bigots, but you can at least minimize their ability to hurt disadvantaged populations.

  40. jarago says

    Did she tell the children that she use to be a guy? I mean how did they find out?! And was she a bad teacher? And what are they afraid of exactly-oh I know someone who they perceive as sinful is acting as positive role model- its time to stone her!

  41. Thedrdonna says

    I wonder how the commenters here who are defending a parent’s right to pick their child’s teacher would feel about the same situation with a gay teacher? Or a black one?

  42. Tyler says

    Rick. Silly, hateful Rick. You can’t post an attack on kiwi under my name because I JUST posted a comment about how much we agree on this issue. In fact the only person with any problem with a transgender teacher seems to be you, which we have already demonstrated.

    You’re the only person on this site that ever attacks kiwi for his looks, lifestyle and the political views of his family. That comment about him balding is one you’ve cut and pasted in many of your rants throughout your time on this site. Additionally, you’re the only poster who has ever said that all HIV and AIDS cases in gay men are the result of be slutty, as well as the only commenter to argue that sluttiness is the reason most gay men won’t live past 40.

    These are your signature talking points. So when when you put my name to them, we all still know it’s you and only you posting this hatred.

  43. jaker says

    for the last freaking time, i am not an alt of rick. jeezuz. why would rick create an alt defending transgenders? so effing stupid some of the regulars on this site.

  44. Knock says

    If you aren’t part of Little Kiwi’s Approved Commenter Alliance, you’re Rick. Unfortunately members of the LKACA are often more disruptive than all the Ricks combined.

  45. Marc says

    The trolling on this site is out of control. I hate wading through homophobia, transphobia and misogony to get to a worthwhile comment. Andy, PLEASE fix this.

    Gender identity has nothing to do with professionalism and teaching abilities. I hope the school focuses on these issues alone and leaves gender out of it.

  46. Liam says

    Please stop referring to males who were born that way as cisgender males or cismales when having discussions about rights in general forums. It really turns off people who would otherwise be sympathetic to your cause. You have to think about what the effect of your words are. If you are trying to get people to take your side in an argument do not use inside jargon to refer to them to their faces. It confuses them and makes them question whether you have a justifiable case. Don’t distract them with unnecessary side issues. Yes it is technically correct to refer to them that way BUT it does not help your argument. Just don’t do it.

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