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John McCain: Gays are Welcome to Marry, Just Not Legally

McCain on Hardball with Chris Matthews:

"I think gay marriage should be allowed if there's a ceremony kind of thing if you want to call it that. I don't have any problem with that..."

Before your jaw drops too far, McCain went on to say "I think private ceremonies are fine. I do not think gay marriage should be legal."

And blacks can sit in the front of the bus, just as long as it's the back and they're pretending it's the front.

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  1. "Gay marriage should be allowed if there's a ceremony kind of thing if you want to call it that." I don't even know what to say to this kind of backhanded support. Except to say:

    John McCain can go fuck himself!

    Posted by: wtf | Oct 19, 2006 11:43:58 AM


  2. It's not backhanded support at all. It's basically saying we can play wedding like kids do, but just like when kids do it, it doesn't mean anything.

    He's saying that we should be allowed to live -- gee thanks, John.

    Posted by: David | Oct 19, 2006 11:48:29 AM


  3. He always struck me as a bit too angry. He always acts morally superior and that he knows what's best for everyone. This is really a state issue, so presidential candidates, particularly Republicans, should say that its up to Mass and Wy to figure this out locally. The proper question to ask him is if he would attend the gay wedding of a friend or relative.

    Posted by: Anon | Oct 19, 2006 11:50:20 AM


  4. Well, the way I choose to look at is like this: John McCain and other old farts like him are not the future of our country. They represent a dying breed--sure, they're procreating and raising bigots of their own, but our country is always diversifying and I should think that one day, people will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about.

    Posted by: Michael W. | Oct 19, 2006 12:01:21 PM


  5. I just hope they're all alive to see the day when our constitution means, once again, freedom for everyone, not just those that the governement in power deems should have said freedoms. Yes, someday this will be a non-issue, as it should be.

    Posted by: Wayne | Oct 19, 2006 12:09:33 PM


  6. As 2008 nears, McCain wants to have it both ways on everything.

    "Hey, America, look at me! I've oulawed torture in my new bill (and given the president free reign to torture anybody any way anytime)."

    Posted by: 24play | Oct 19, 2006 12:11:59 PM


  7. Unfortunately, there's a very good chance this old fart may be president in 2008.

    All of the debate surrounding gay marriage and gay adoption exhausts me. It's not like all heterosexual marriages are idyllic, perfect relationships--I mean, look at how many right-wingers have been divorced or cheated on their wives! (Some with men, as we know...) In one Maryland county yesterday, sheriffs rounded up 175 people with outstanding domestic violence warrants. But THEY should be allowed to get married, while gay marriage is a threat to the "sanctity of marriage."

    And I still cannot believe the argument can be made that it's better for children to be abused, killed or rot in the foster care system than be adopted by gay people.

    Posted by: Larry | Oct 19, 2006 12:12:09 PM


  8. So gays can't marry even once (per the Feds) but straights can marry and divorce over and over and over, because it supports family values. WTF?!?!?!?!

    Perhaps Mr. McCain will call for an Amendment that will ban divorce?

    Posted by: dc-20008 | Oct 19, 2006 12:14:41 PM


  9. How very Clinton, Kerry, etc. of him.

    Posted by: Tom | Oct 19, 2006 12:15:23 PM


  10. Interesting Andy...the minority you cite as a comparison tend to vehemently disagree with the analogy and tend to hold a far more extreme view than the Senator does.

    This argument doesn't resonate with the average American and it certainly doesn't resonate with blacks. Maybe we should try a different argument.

    Posted by: Mitch | Oct 19, 2006 12:17:12 PM


  11. What a disappointment he has become. He seems to have totally sold his soul to become president. I remember when he used to be interesting.

    Posted by: stevo | Oct 19, 2006 12:24:01 PM


  12. David: I should have said "supposed" backhanded support.

    Posted by: wtf | Oct 19, 2006 12:28:54 PM


  13. McCain also said yesterday that if the Democrats take control of Congress in the elections that he wants to commit suicide. He added that he didn't want to face that eventuality because he didn't think it was going to happen. If it's an eventuality, doesn't that mean it is going to happen? What the fuck?

    Posted by: nut case | Oct 19, 2006 12:34:25 PM


  14. Tomorrow's headline -

    MCCAIN TO GAYS:
    I WON'T INCINERATE YOU!

    apologies to The Onion.

    Posted by: David | Oct 19, 2006 12:40:50 PM



  15. Fear not.
    McCain is a walking emotional-volcano.

    Do you really think Hillary Clinton couldn't/wouldn't push a few of his best-buttons come a debate?

    Posted by: rob adams | Oct 19, 2006 12:48:01 PM


  16. You know what this reminds me of?

    Back in the days of slavery, slaves were able to have "marriages" - but they weren't santified, legalized or recognized in anything other than them getting along. It certainly didn't stop "owners" from selling and splitting the couples apart at their own discretion.

    I'm with the late Mr. and Mrs. King, discrimition anywhere is a threat to discrimination everywhere.

    Posted by: Ryan | Oct 19, 2006 12:57:11 PM


  17. Is there a presidential hopeful out there, Republican or Democrat, who has actually answered the question "Why sure! I think gay marriage is just peachy!"?

    The depressing reality of the situation is, McCain saying private ceremonies are OK by him, well, this actually makes him a relative moderate on the issue, amongst the candidates of BOTH parties.

    When one major candidate out there actually comes out in favor of legalizing marriage...now THAT will be a newsworthy post.

    Posted by: Pompeius | Oct 19, 2006 1:03:35 PM


  18. Yeah, Not heard Al, John Edwards, or Hillary come out for us either.

    McCain was tarred by the Bush folks in 2000. They ran TV ads in South Carolina saying he had black children. How quickly he is willing to sell his soul...

    Posted by: dc-20008 | Oct 19, 2006 1:13:28 PM


  19. the little bitch...

    Posted by: vince | Oct 19, 2006 1:15:51 PM


  20. "we hold these truths to be self eveident, that all men are created equal".

    Have we not been disabused of the notion that many in this country, and particularly right pandering Republican "conservatives" have moved away from the guarantees in the Constitution of the United States?

    Posted by: MALCOLM | Oct 19, 2006 1:16:10 PM


  21. In the wake of all of the recent sex scandals in the past couple
    >of years in Washington and elsewhere in the news that often get lost when
    >the scandals involve politicians. I believe that the "closet" needs to be
    >mentioned and understood. I believe it will provide the necessary context
    >from which to view some of these scandals. The closet, meaning where
    >people hide their sexual orientation, whether one is a man or woman but
    >particularly I am speaking of men at this time because I believe men use
    >the closet even more often than woman because of societies very narrow view
    >and expectations of what behaviors are considered appropriate for men.
    >Woman can be Tomboys much easier than men can be sissies. Of course not
    >all gay men are effeminate by a long shot but that is a stereotypical image
    >of gay men and therefore many men attempt to cover up any behaviors they
    >may have and believe may bring on suspicion. Therefore men, whether they be
    >gay or straight, will practice stereotypical masculine behaviors to thwart
    >any suspicion often out of fear and necessity, particularly if they feel
    >pressure to do so to protect their careers or career advancement. However,
    >many gay men for a variety of reasons whether they have difficulties
    >reconciling their religious views with their natural inner feelings and
    >same sex attractions or also may do so out of fear of social denunciation.
    >These men will then join the astounding numbers of men that are also hiding
    >in the closet.
    >
    >
    >
    > The fear of being discovered can be enormous and absolutely
    >terrifying. These men will often then do what they believe society expects
    >from them. They will often marry and have children perhaps out of
    >desperation in an always unsuccessful attempt at trying to make these
    >natural longings go away and try and hide these powerful feelings of
    >attraction that we all know very well and have experienced ourselves
    >whether toward the same sex or the opposite sex, its all the same. They
    >may also marry and have homosexual secret liaisons with men and feel
    >terrible guilt in doing so. They will do their very best to
    >compartmentalize their lives the best that they can, but I believe and have
    >found that the longer one stays in the closet the more damage is done to
    >them emotionally. It is very difficult to compartmentalize for a long
    >period of time these very powerful feelings without developing some
    >emotional problems to varying degrees. Also many develop coping mechanisms
    >such as addictive behaviors of all sorts whether they be alcoholism,
    >prescription or non prescription abuse. They may develop addictions to
    >pornography sexual addiction or other self-destructive ways of acting out.
    >Once again unfortunately the longer one stays in the closet there will also
    >then be more victims because of their closeted lifestyle choice. The
    >victims may be their wives and children, their friends, parents and
    >siblings, all feeling like they have been betrayed if their true nature is
    >discovered as it was for ex-governor of New Jersey, Mr. McGreevy. I feel
    >very sad for the victims as well as I very much understand the sadness and
    >despair he and many others feel once the closet door is flung open. For
    >some, the shame is just too unbearable and suicide seems like the only
    >alternative to ending their pain and shame.
    >
    >
    >
    > Society needs to take some responsibility with this matter of the
    >closet by being more accepting of alternative lifestyles. Without the
    >closet just think of how much less pain many people and families would have
    >to endure. Not only the ones that feel that living in the closet is their
    >only alternative but for the victims that find themselves feeling betrayed
    >and the breaking up of families. We as a culture have some soul searching
    >to do on this matter and not be so self-involved and self-righteous. There
    >are a variety of ways of loving and living. We need to accept that what
    >seems to be normal for some is not necessarily normal for all. With what I
    >have just said in no way excuses adult men from making wrong choices that
    >victimize others such as the irresponsible behaviors demonstrated by the
    >now ex-congressmen Foley. I'm not even going to go so far as to say his
    >closet behaviors are the reason for his conduct. I don't know. I don't know
    >him. However, as I said the closet can cause deep and very troubling
    >emotional problems that can manifest in abhorrent behaviors. This may or
    >may not be the cause of his behaviors. However one thing I do know is that
    >he does know what's right and wrong and as he surely knew, his attractions
    >to under aged teens is not only illegal but inappropriate an attraction and
    >should have sought therapy before creating victims. However, because there
    >is still so much shame yet in this day and age and our rather hypocritical
    >puritanical society, cause many gays to not seek help concerning issues
    >they may be struggling with from the appropriate professionals. I generally
    >do not recommend clergy because it can cause further damage do to their
    >religious agendas which can deepen one's shame and depression. The is a
    >very complicated issue that society has to become more compassionate about
    >or we will continue to shame gays enough and inhibit their comfort level
    >preventing them from seeking the appropriate help for any specific personal
    >issues in which they may be struggling with.
    >
    >
    >
    > One can read more about this issue and many other disturbing issues
    >involving gay culture of today in my new book; "why gay men do what they
    >do", an inside look at gay culture.
    >

    Posted by: aaron jason silver | Oct 19, 2006 1:27:44 PM


  22. I wish that people, including a lot of so-called "responsible" liberals, would see McCain for what he is. He's your standard-issue conservative, not a "moderate", and certainly not a fucking "maverick." Yes, he'll make a fine show of talking against the GOP right-wing party line occasionally, but when push comes to shove, he won't actually work against them. Our delightful new torture/indefinite detention bill being a perfect case in point. In other words, despite his reputation as a bold, brave, macho guy, he's actually a lying coward. He would be a terrible President, only looking good in comparison to the disaster we currently have.

    Posted by: Glenn | Oct 19, 2006 1:29:09 PM


  23. Pompeius,

    Russ Feingold of Wisconsin has come out in support of gay marriage

    http://towleroad.typepad.com/towleroad/2006/04/feingold_comes_.html

    Posted by: andy | Oct 19, 2006 2:30:12 PM


  24. As noted by others, just another in a long string of politicans covering themselves in bland to appeal to each and every possible voter - even the douchebags who'd prefer gays never existed.

    Posted by: Marco | Oct 19, 2006 2:58:26 PM


  25. Posted by: Mitch | Oct 19, 2006 12:17:12 PM
    "Interesting Andy...the minority you cite as a comparison tend to vehemently disagree with the analogy and tend to hold a far more extreme view than the Senator does.This argument doesn't resonate with the average American and it certainly doesn't resonate with blacks. Maybe we should try a different argument."

    Mitch, stop telling us what blacks in general think about gays. You have no idea. The idea that blacks are somehow MORE homophobic than whites is garbage spewed by racist asshats who want to put blacks down. Go march for gay rights in Elmira or some backwards all white town and see how well you fare. And internationally, feel free to break out in the Moscow, Russia march and look forword to getting your head split open. Blacks have no special lock on homophobia, despite what you either wish and fear.

    Now, for every WHITE (that's for Mitch's benefit) politician like McCaine (whose views no doubt resonate with his mostly WHITE constituents), why there's the very BLACK Deval Patrick (whose views are in line with Al Sharpton, Coretta Scott King, and many other blacks):

    BOSTON (Reuters) - Deval Patrick, widely expected to become Massachusetts' first black governor, says a nearly century-old law used to stop gays from elsewhere in America from marrying in the liberal state is rooted in racism.

    If the Democrat wins on November 7, he would not only be the second African-American elected governor in the nation but he could also pave the way for gay couples from Alaska to Maine to marry in the only U.S. state where gays can legally wed.

    Under Patrick, conservative Christians warn, Massachusetts will become the Las Vegas of gay marriage.

    Patrick, comfortably leading in polls, has sharply criticized a 1913 law invoked by Massachusetts Republican Gov. and presidential hopeful Mitt Romney -- and upheld by the state's highest court in March -- that bars out-of-state gay couples from marrying in Massachusetts.

    http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=2006-10-19T125602Z_01_N18375300_RTRUKOC_0_US-RIGHTS-GAYS.xml&WTmodLoc=USNewsHome_C1_%5bFeed%5d-9

    Posted by: SGR | Oct 19, 2006 3:02:36 PM


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