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  1. Bosie says

    Yah go ahead bloggers make news out of nothing….HOW ABOUT THE WAR or the ISSUES with our country ????? NO IT DOESN’T OFFEND ME …This is BS created by the obama and bloggers with no news …making drama out of a semi backless shot …morons

  2. willnDurhamNC says

    If I were standing next to Governor Easley and he made that comment I wouldn’t have assumed it as a gay slander. Easly is a pretty benign guy and this connection is a stretch!

    On another note…WHY are gay men taking offense at this word…aren’t we offended by enough all ready. Let’s just stick with being offended by faggot and maybe one or two others :)

  3. Jim says

    I’m gay, out, and even a hard-core Democrat, and I was NOT OFFENDED by that word. Even I use that word to describe people, male or female, or even my dog in the context of weakness. You guys are just too much, and need to get over it. Talk about HYPERSENSITIVITY! There are other issues on the gay agenda that deserve more attention, especially when everyone knows this wasn’t meant as a slur against gays. This is just another example of the pro-Obama, anti-Hillary gays out there trying to make her look bad. SHAME ON YOU. Obama is just another Dukakis, and he will LOSE the general election.

  4. tobethatguy says

    maybe it’s a generational difference, but i don’t view “pansy” as derogatory toward homos.

    in high school we all called the soccer players “pansies,” but more powerful names were used for homos like myself.

  5. Tom K. says

    Ouch. I think some people, especially public servants, need to be more aware of the connotation of the words they use. My impression is that some straight people think that pansy is synonymous with wimp.

  6. Sim says

    Give me a break…a one time intro using “pansy” is not offensive. A 20 year attendence at a “church” filled with hate towards all things American, including gays…that’s offensive.

  7. Jim says

    I’m gay, out, and even a hard-core Democrat, and I was NOT OFFENDED by that word. Even I use that word to describe people, male or female, or even my dog in the context of weakness. You guys are just too much, and need to get over it. Talk about HYPERSENSITIVITY! There are other issues on the gay agenda that deserve more attention, especially when everyone knows this wasn’t meant as a slur against gays. This is just another example of the pro-Obama, anti-Hillary gays out there trying to make her look bad. SHAME ON YOU. Obama is just another Dukakis, and he will LOSE the general election.

  8. Jim says

    I’m SO SICK of this blog’s anti-Hillary rhetoric and tactics. You treat Hillary like a Bush Republican and forget that she is a strong Democrat who has a fantastic record in supporting Gay America. You love to criticize Hillary’s negative tactics against Obama, but you, as an Obama surrogate, are MUCH MORE NEGATIVE towards her campaign and are the one’s responsible for destroying the party.

  9. Daniel O'Neil says

    Pansies are some of the very most sturdy plants in our yard!!!
    Those little guys live through the snow (2-3 feet of it at a time), the freezing and the worst weather imaginable. DON’T be offended by the comment. Here in the Alpine Northwest, those little biennials stand up to everything mother nature can dish out–and go on to propagate themselves merrily! And, they look pretty doing it.
    Call me a pansy any day!
    -Dan

  10. Jimmyboyo says

    I am an Obama supporter, but this is stretching it a bit.

    “Pansy” He was using in connection with weakness not a derogatory anti-gay statment.

    Obama 08

    “Pansy” = nothing what so ever

  11. db says

    I’m not especially offended as a gay man by the Gov’s comment, BUT I think it’s stupid that a supposedly mature government official is using playground language. I think the same of all you gay boys who use the word too.

  12. BusyTimmy says

    He was a fool for using the term… but what politician isn’t a fool? It’s quite obvious he meant a “wimp.” It’s also quite a stretch to see something more.

    Is this AmericaBlog or something?

  13. says

    Much ado about nothing. I’ve never seen “pansy” as an anti-gay word, only a word that could be anti-gay if used in the wrong (or right, I suppose) context… just like any other word in the dictionary. Furthermore, it’s clear in the context of the sentence that the word wasn’t meant in any offensive way, whatsoever. He was just saying Hillary is tougher than Rocky Balboa… certainly misguided, but not offensive.

  14. FizziekruntNT says

    He only said “pansy” ’cause “pussy” wouldn’t have gone over too well.

    Hilarious that anyone would attempt to use this as leverage. HAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAH!

  15. nic says

    oh, for cripe’s sake! pansy is a deragotory term for a weak or cowardly man, as well. how many gay men would admit to that? the pansies at the smoking gun and elswhere need to get a clue.

  16. kujhawker says

    It looks likes a bunch of bloggers are just looking for the right molehile to make a mountain out of, well keep looking this ain’t it. I am more disturbed that fellow gay men can get their knickers in a knot over this, than Clinton not saying anything.

  17. Joseph says

    I think is horrific that so many gay men and women have been charmed by the Clinton campaign. To me, it’s all show, and she’s the reason why the democratic party is weak and divided. The comment her little buddy made here, does mean something. “Pansy” in it’s essence means girly, therefore being “weak”. All of you other commentators can try to douse this comment all you want, but if Hillary is such a steadfast supporter of the gay community, she needs to step it up and apologize on part of her friend here. If one of Obama’s supporters had said this, all of you Hillary supporters would be livid, and hungry for blood.

  18. Joseph says

    I think is horrific that so many gay men and women have been charmed by the Clinton campaign. To me, it’s all show, and she’s the reason why the democratic party is weak and divided. The comment her little buddy made here, does mean something. “Pansy” in it’s essence means girly, therefore being “weak”. All of you other commentators can try to douse this comment all you want, but if Hillary is such a steadfast supporter of the gay community, she needs to step it up and apologize on part of her friend here. If one of Obama’s supporters had said this, all of you Hillary supporters would be livid, and hungry for blood.

  19. virgoboy says

    Pansy… i have heard and been called far worse! She and her supporters are going to have to do a LOT more than this to change my mind and the minds of others. This is the kind of “story” that i will never think of again beyond this posting, just like so many others that have cropped-up in the media over the past year or so. YAWNYAWNYAWN…

  20. johnosahon says

    I LOVE THE DOUBLE STANDARD, i just love it. I bet you if obama was the one standing next to that bastard, all hell would have broke lose, but since it is hilary, out “ALLY” (responsible for DOMA and DADT) it should to pass.

    heck, i have been on this blog, when the word “fairy” and “girly man” caused a riot.

  21. johnosahon says

    I am an Obama supporter, but this is stretching it a bit.

    “Pansy” He was using in connection with weakness not a derogatory anti-gay statment.

    Obama 08

    “Pansy” = nothing what so ever

    Posted by: Jimmyboyo | Apr 29, 2008 1:27:14 PM

    ****************************

    so by your argument he can use to word fag, since he was using it in connection to weakness. correct me if i am wrong, but wasn’t that isaiah washington’s excuse for using the word “fag”, he said we was trying to say that he is not a follower like t.r., but i guess isaiah is not hilary.

  22. says

    Obama supporters actually exist after full confirmation that Obama sat and listened to the lunacy of “Rev.” Wright for 20+ years? Every single one of you need to get a psychiatrist immediately! You are not just a little crazy, none of you should be walking around loose on the streets!

  23. Bob R says

    Personally, I deeply resent being called a pansy. I consider myself more of a very colorful petunia. And some days I can be a real snap dragon! Good grief, this is much ado about nothing. Get a life folks.

  24. BANNE says

    The sooner people realize that the blogosphere is Obama domain and doesn’t truly represent the views and sentiments of middle America, the better off we’ll all be. Who cares if John Aravosis gets his pansy panties in a bunch over this? Maybe that pansy should spend less time on Manhunt and more time worried about making Reverend Wright go away. I was actually quite surprised that pansy was listed as a slang term for a homosexual in the dictionary. I mean I can see it being used to describe a gay person but I don’t think it is exclusive to that. I have used it a million times to describe plenty of politicians (Howard Dean, Barack Obama, John Kerry, etc etc) without every associating it with their sexuality but more their lack of backbone on serious issues.

    Whatever, I think the only people in a tizzy over this are people NOT in North Carolina and Indiana and at this point, no one else’s opinion much matters.

  25. johnosahon says

    to BANNE:

    *************

    tell me you are joking, i love how hilary supporters have turned into republicans, they are now abusing the blogosphere.

    if there is one thing i have learnt from the campaign is that the democrats and republicans are no much different, if this is not true can you explain how hilary has gotten away with gay-baiting, race-baiting, gun-baiting, e.t.c.

    if bush did just ONE of these we would be pulling our hair out. HYPOCRITES!!!!!!1

  26. Mike says

    Hillary gets a hugh endorsement from the Gov. of N. Carolina and all the Obama bloggers and anti-Clinton media can do is try to make something out of nothing. I am beginning to question Andy’s taste. Yesterday he suggests a 15 year old girl is a whore and today, more rubbish.

  27. Pansy says

    Andy, I think the title of your two posts putting blame on a Clinton supporter for Wright’s comments and now for saying pansy are way off base. You and the other Obamiacs are so pissed that Clinton is a fighter and people are beginning to see that Obama will only offer 4 more years of inexperienced leadership. Pansies are beautiful flowers don’t drag them through the mud too.

  28. Los says

    I never knew ‘pansy’ was an insult to the gays. Man when did that happen, and more importantly is, how none of these people making a big hooplah have nothing better to do than be the PC police. Get over it. Political Correctness is very overrated.

  29. Jimmyboyo says

    johnosahon

    There is a huge difference between “fag” and “pansy”

    Maybe it is a personal bias, I have been called fag but never pansy.

    I just do not see the problem here.

    He obviously meant it as weakness and not anti-gay

    I support Obama 100%, but to make more out of this than it is does not help Obama at all.

  30. BANNE says

    John, again you try to paint Hillary at fault for guns and god and now gays. She isn’t manufacturing this crap, you are. Or rather, Obama is by discussing how people cling to guns god and gay bashing b/c politicans fail them. HE said that, not HER. The fact you all sit around blaming her everytime HE does something wrong for pointing it out is ridiculous and shows just how little substance both you and your arguments for Obama are. Maybe she, like me, is sick of watching the Democratic Party nominate PANSIES who don’t understand how the rest of America operates and then causes us to LOSE the White House over and over again.

  31. Jimmyboyo says

    Racist johny Lane

    Go F yourself with your burning cross while wearing your KKK robes

    24 play has every right to bring back up the fact that in the past you have posted many racist things and that readers should be aware of your true motivations.

    Johny Lane hates any and all non white people. Be warned

    Have a nice day

  32. nic says

    JOHNOSAHAN lives in a perverse parallel universe where “pansy” is equivalent to “fag” and it’s possible to bait guns. how does that work over there? apparently, stupidity and slack-jawed reasoning is the norm there also. how do you and FUNME like it through the looking glass.

  33. Kevin says

    I’m not particularly offended by the remark, but I think people should take a closer look at the Clintons’ supposedly good record on gay rights issues. They’re very willing to take the gay community’s money at fundraisers, and then really don’t do anything to support them. DOMA? DADT? In 1996, they ran ads in red states stressing the fact that Pres. Clinton signed DOMA – as a good thing. They encouraged John Kerry to go pro-marriage ban in 2004 (he didn’t take the bait). This is just a small part of their willingness to go anti-gay when they need to get conservative voters. And this is just part of her new post-Pennsylvania strategy – God, guns and gays.

  34. Nate says

    Yes, “pansy” has ALWAYS been a derogatory slur directed at gays and I’m very surprised to see some here claiming that they had no idea it was.

  35. FunMe says

    Oh yeah I forgot, that marvelous “universal” Healthplan we all have. The one she was so successful in rolling out to us when she was first lady.

    NOT!

    sHillary has evolved into a major disappointment just like many long-term Democrats who continue to play us for fools. Like many here who think that sHillary really cares about WE THE PEOPLE. She doesn’t. She cares only about her own political career.

    I will be celebrating when she is kicked out of the Democratic Party kicking and screaming.

    The rest who blindly follow her can finally open up their eyes and realize that the 90s are OVAH! Just like Queen sHIllary chances for taking over the White House are OVAH!

  36. BANNE says

    Many of us who “blindly” follow her (which is just about half of those who have voted in this primary process mind you), will gladly open our eyes…and vote for someone other than Obama.

    And as for the constant barrage of nonsense about DOMA and DADT, I’ll sum that up quickly. DADT, while a compromise, is still better than the previous policy which was zero tolerance of gays serving in the military. When Obama promises to not rest until DADT is removed, then I’ll worry about who is pandering to who.

    As for DOMA, Bill Clinton had zero political capital to fight DOMA and he thought it would prevent individual states from passing constitutional amendments banning gay marriage. In other words, he thought it would get the overzealous bigots to shut up and leave us alone. And they did…until someone filed a lawsuit in Massachusetts and then states, worried that DOMA wasn’t very effective decided to pass amendments anyway. And now thanks to a few overzealous gays in MA, hundreds of thousands of gays in other states now have the daunting task of trying to overturn constitutional amendments in order to enjoy the same privilege. Thanks!

  37. joe says

    This is just an attempt by Netroots to destroy anybody that dare defy them and support Hillary. Americablog, Eschaton, Dailykos at one time were really attempting to be “good” journalists. Now they have become the WORLD WEEKLY NEWS, THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER or the TMZ of the political scene. They must be exhausted at pretending so much outrage at every teeny, tiny word that Hillary dares to utter. They really do expect her to campaign for Obama and against her self.

  38. SeanR says

    As a gay man, I would not get into a flap. Pansy isn’t a derogatory term in my view! She might not have liked the term that much, but one needs to be polite in company – especially when someone is giving support… and not trying to stymie the campaign (like Howard Dean or Jimmy Carter). Shame on you men, picking on the woman candidate! HRC has nothing to apologize for, she isn’t the one who has turned her back on her Pastor in the name of political expediency.

  39. Trey says

    Good grief…..the Republicans are once again laughing at us as folks focus on perceived affronts when we should be focused on getting a Dem in the White House. Why does this merit any attention?

  40. Jeanluc says

    Trey, it doesn’t. And I doubt Hillary will “repudiate” it b/c it doesn’t warrant any attention.

    I find it interesting that Obama says his reverend distracts us from the real issues. Well, for starters, he’s YOUR pastor dude. Don’t blame us. Or the media. Blame yourself for not having better judgment.

    Oh and if you think it is a waste of time to talk about him, then STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM.

  41. David in Iowa says

    GET REAL, gas is fast approaching $4 a gallon. Thousands of people are literally losing their homes to the mortage crisis, 2 wars and a national debt beyond even the most horrible nightmare. All of that and the issue is the word pansy? To all the gay men who are offended and I hope I speak to a relative few, “cowboy up” I have been called more nasty names in the past 3 decades it becomes a blur. Years ago as I walked to a local gay bar a car drove by, slowed down and the driver yelled, “hey fag boy” I hollered back, “you remembered me” His friends in the backseat burst out laughing.
    Pansy???? Yes girls I can deal with being called a flower.

  42. matt says

    I would only be offended by the use of that word if the Governor was describing a gay man. Obama is straight so why has this even become an issue? It’s almost like when Coulter called Edwards a faggot, when he actually >is< a pansy. “He” meaning Edwards, not Mr. Coulter.

  43. Marc says

    These two bit Clinton’s are too much, first race baiting for votes and now gay slurs for votes in the so called Bible belt, anything to win, bleech at both of them, but the gays here will let them off for gay slurs and racial ones, typical of the shallow guys online. But, thank goodness Andy puts it all out there and voters who have a clue can see right through both of them.

  44. says

    Most of the comments on this topic remind me of how old I really am. When I was in high school and college, “pansy” was the word of choice when the speaker, in “civilized” conversation, didn’t want to use any of the ruder words such as “queer.” A gentleman, especially in the South, could use “pansy” or “fairy” in mixed company without giving offense to the ladies present.

    I suggest that you all think through what Hillary’s pasted on smile would have looked like if Governor Redneck had said she “makes Rocky Balboa look like a pussy.”

  45. ken says

    How is it anti-gay to call a fictional heterosexual character a “pansy”? The statement is an hyperbole to drive home the point that Clinton is a tough candidate. Of course, it is even more overblown and hyperbolic to derive anti-gay sentiment from the one word to smear the Clinton’s compaign and divert attention from her gains in endorsements and in the polls.

  46. nic says

    Well, COMMECA, a prim and proper, priggish, fading, old-school southern belle such as you certainly speaks with authority. Please, don’t stop. Continue to regale us with stories about your halcyon days and cotillions and such. Tell us about how you sucked off black and/or latino yard workers and how you begged them to fuck you mercilessly. I might call you an old fart, but can you still fart? A word to the senile: relearn the proper use of quotation marks, and do not attack women folk.

    MARC, you are simply ignorant (not stupid, mind you). is “bleech” a phonetic spelling for bleach (as in, clorox.)? i know what you intended to say, but your audience should not have to decipher your puerile, breathless, run-on sentences and misspellings. reread your comment, and try again. perhaps upon reflection, you won’t come across as a spiteful, little bitch.

  47. says

    Said Easley: “This lady right here makes Rocky Balboa look like a pansy.”

    Translation: “This lady right here is a real bitch.”

    Now don’t all you Hillary supporters get all thin-skinned on me. You say pansy, I say bitch.

  48. marc says

    Poor Nic, the name caller so the typical of a HRC supporter, thin skinned and catty, and of course throw in that typical racist trash as well! Sorry boo, this isn’t a spelling contest its a blog, not a Harvard English class, so, get over it and put the red lipstick back in your purse to check my spelling and grammar, HRC isn’t going to win the White House, no matter how shrill you scream she is the best one for the job, because she isn’t and the public has repudiated her and her obnoxious husband and supporters, LOL! Run on sentences or not, the truth will set you and your rage free that not everyone is in love with the chick.

  49. says

    What was she supposed to say? “I’m offended!” and fume off the stage? So silly. A pansy is a weak man/person and I can’t see how this was mean to offend gays. We really need to stand up when there is intent to hurt & offend.
    Otherwise, this just gives liberals a bad name.

  50. John in Manhattan says

    It’s sad to read all these comments defending the use of the word “pansy” by saying it simply means weak while wilfully ignoring the lengthy anti-gay history of the word’s usage.

    I suppose if North Carolina Governor Mike Easley used the phrase “limp wristed” these turds would say he was referring to carpel tunnel syndrome.

    It’s time to take Hilary’s dick out of your mouth.

  51. Derrick from Philly says

    Reverend Jeremiah Wright believes it is wrong to use words like pansy, fairy, fruit and faggot. Those words might offend gay people, and that’s why he doesn’t use them…in public. And that’s something I can appreciate from any preacher or politician.

    I’ll vote for Hillary Clinton if she wins the nomination, but GOD DAMN most of her pansy supporters.

    JOHNNY LANE, I’d like to introduce you to someone who may be just right for you in personality, intelligence and age. His name is Oscar.

  52. Sebastian says

    And, the same ones who have dismissed the slur as nothing would be fully up in arms had Obama said it and calling him every name in the book, so, take them with a grain of salt when they get ‘outraged’ over anything.

    Derrick, you are a hoot and breath of fresh air as always, although, I won’t vote for her, just don’t like anything about her and still have no clue as to what she even stands for, other than she feels she should get the job because she was married to Billy Bob. I’ll be voting for the Green Party instead.

  53. MCnNYC says

    WOW Andy Towle carrying the perverbial piss water for the Obama camp how surprising.

    were was the outrage when in Detroit at the NAACP event Rev Wright mocks and imitates JFK, LBJ, southern whites? oh and the link to that charade…

    THis is yet another attempt by this blog and the Huff/Americablog Biased boobs to try to change the topic from the dissaster that is the Obama Magical Mystery Tour.

  54. DCMNYC says

    MCNNYC you can’t be serious? Your comment about “where was the outrage…” sounds like such a kneejerk response. Please understand that I don’t say this to be insulting to you. Rev Wright was not mocking JFK, LBJ etc. He was impersonating them to prove his different not deficient point. The sad thing about this whole Wright thing is that the content of what he said is never going to be examined. America is not ready for an honest dialogue on such subjects. In the political realm we are a color blind society – in the real world we are not. Wright needs to stand down and let this conversation be continued by others. His voice is too divisive right now. The hate in your “voice” is divisive as well.

  55. Britt says

    I used to read Towleroad long ago, and I stopped, mainly because it became less personal as it grew. Now, I’m glad. I’m so tired of Obama that I almost want to vote McCain if Hillary loses since Obama has said he’d only run this once. I hope Hillary pulls it off. And I’m taking this site off my bookmarks 😉

  56. Britt says

    Oh god, and I had to enter a puzzle to post my comment (And this one, too, haha). Those things drive me nuts! Oh Andy, at least you’re still cute :)

  57. Jackson says

    Hillary’s already lost… the pledged delegates, the popular vote, her sanity, her self-respect, her looks… well… seeing as she was never exactly a “looker” that last one might not apply. Everything from Tuesday on out is just a formality. It’s over folks. Deal w/ it.

    Perhaps it’s just a regional disparity, but the word “pansy” is and has always been extremely closely paired w/ anti-gay imagery in the South. Mr. Easley knew exactly what he was talking about. He wasn’t saying that it made “Rocky” look like a type of flower. He was saying that it made “Rocky” look like a FAG. It’s the exact same meaning. Considering what Easley’s supporters have been doing to sabotage Jim Neal’s candidacy in Carolina I don’t see his disparaging remarks as out of character.

    I generally agree that there are times when we are being hypersensitive, but this is not one of those times. I understand if a person from another region doesn’t get the full implications of the term, but this is truly offensive. It’s the same as kids using “gay” to mean “stupid/retarded/dumb”. These kinds of word usages need to be extracted from common usage b/c they just serve to continue negative stereotypes.

  58. says

    I feel like I’m reading something from Orwell’s 1984. What is the hand gesture that goes with “Pansy”. It’s a limp wrist. The governor meant it in an anti-gay way. The issue is that Hillary let it stand. Are you Clintonites hypnotized or something?

    Quick, which democratic candidate goes to an anti-gay church?

    I bet all of you Clintonites said Obama. And you would all be wrong. Jeremiah Wright is pro-gay. It’s Hillary who goes to the Methodist Church which is openly and explicitly anti-gay.

    Quick, which democratic candidate opposes all of DOMA? It’s not Clinton.

    Quick, which democratic candidate speaks out against anti-gay bigotry to non-gay audiences? It’s not Clinton.

    Quick, which democratic candidate would you allow to stand next to a endorser calling you a FAG and you pretend you don’t understand what you’re being called? Yeah, that one is apparently Clinton.

    Creepy. If you don’t REALLY care that Hillary supports you since she pretty clearly offers you only a grab of her daughter’s ass for your vote, what’s the issue here? Nevermind. I’m afraid I already know.

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