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  1. Sargon Bighorn says

    Not to worry people. Gay-Americans will soon have civil marriage equality and then we can go to a State like Hawaii and Bitch slap them. It’s just a matter of time before we can rub their noses in the shit of discrimination.

  2. says

    how is my (potential) civil union to my partner going to affect *any* of these people? i don’t get it. i am embarrassed that so many people who claim they have the aloha spirit are coming out to support something that is so *against* everything that “aloha” stands for.

  3. says

    Did Hawaii consider how this might affect their tourist-based economy? The west coast is littered with gay folk who travel to the islands on a regular basis. I think the state’s tax-payers may start giving a shit about equality if a travel boycott ensues.

  4. markl says

    “About 75 supporters of civil unions rallied today at the state Capitol ahead of tomorrow’s Senate vote that would grant same-sex couples in Hawaii that right.” (

    They had 2000 opponents yesterday, we had 75 supporters today. Pathetic. If the queer community can’t do better than that, than maybe we should just STFU and go back to our respective closets. For a few days after Prop 8 I thought things might really change. Wrong again.

  5. TANK says

    These weren’t people off the street or called by friends and acquaintances. These were congregations of regular sunday churchgoers transported to the event to make it seem like the bill has more opposition than it actually does. There’s a reason it happened yesterday. It’s still disgusting…and perhaps if we organized a counter protest on sunday, instead of during the work week…well, 75 is still a pathetic number.

  6. myDogBen says

    Tank is right. My Hawai’i contact told me they came directly from two churches right after the Sunday service. He went to a counter protest today but it had about 40 demonstrators. He said he was interviewed by a guy from AP so he may get some press. It’s time these churches lost their tax-exempt statuses and were exposed for the political powers they really are.

  7. CJ says

    I want to visit Hawaii because I’ve never been. But I will NEVER take my hard earned dollars to a place of such bigotry. Very disappointing. 2000 people!! How many people make up the population of Hawaii?!

    Keep the hope alive that we will see civil marriage equality at a Federal level.

  8. DRN says

    “No need to worry” [posted by Sargon]??!! why isnt there a need to worry? i think harvey milk had the right attitude that there is a need to worry and to stand up and fight NOW. people say our rights will come soon but when? we lost rights in three states in november and potentially one more in hawaii now. isnt there a sense of urgency?! we’re moving backwards. why should we sit and wait for the opportune moment for our human rights?

  9. mizarkey says

    Mormons LDS church has owned real estate in Hawaii for 100 years.

    LDS Church owns The Polynesian Cultural Center tourist attraction and the workers are missionaries who don’t have to be paid.

    Mix in Mormons with Pacific Islander Christians and you got a melting pot of bigotry.

    I won’t be back to Hawaii any time soon

  10. christopher says

    Wow, I guess I’ve not been paying attention. I had no idea that there was this much hate simmering in HI. Now that I know I will make all my decisions regarding HI (traveling, buying products etc.) based on this. I seriously doubt their island economy can afford travel boycotts (we shall see). Shame.

  11. Paul R says

    I’ve been to Hawaii many times, and this does not reflect the spirit (aloha or otherwise) of anyone my ex or I interacted with on those trips. Most people there are way less upset about gays having rights than on the mainland. Recall that about 10 years ago Hawaii came close to being the first state to pass same-sex marriage rights. No it didn’t pass, but it was still ahead of its time.

    This just seems like a well-organized fringe group telling their sheep followers what to do on a Sunday. I seriously doubt the legislature was even in session on a Sunday, but they couldn’t have gotten those numbers another day of the week…

  12. Sargon Bighorn says

    PEOPLE you need some historical perspective here. WAY WAY back in the ancient past the challenge to civil marriage being the special right of str8 people was FIRST brought up in Hawaii. The Hawaii S.C. said civil marriage equality was a thing ALL Hawaii citizens should enjoy.

    But guess what Radical Religious group put a constitutional amendment on the ballot to overturn what the S.C. of Hawaii said? You guessed it the MORMON CHURCH.

    Don’t get angry at the people of Hawaii per se, get angry at the Mormon Church and other Radical Religious Extremists.

    I’m going to suggest something that will take courage, some of you have it, others don’t but if you want to win the battle you gotta have the balls. If you go to Hawaii and shop at a store, ask the store clerk if the store is Mormon owned or run. If it is don’t buy there if you feel strongly about it. If the car rental place is Mormon owned or operated don’t rent a car from them if you feel strongly enough about it. Do that for your entire stay in Hawaii. They are HAPPY to take our money, are you happy to give it to them?

    Wear a WHITE KNOT ribbon to show your support for Civil Marriage Equality.

    It’s not enough to stamp your feet and pout! Get Active.

  13. Sargon Bighorn says

    DRN – worry does NOTHING sweet heart cept bring on ulcers. Harvey Milk got active. Are you active? I think you must be. Please quote correctly in the future. All is forgiven.

  14. Mike says

    OK, I’ve had it. This is getting fricken’ ridiculous with all this religious crap. Hello… aren’t we suppose to have separation of church and state? Obviously not… Gay people need to just start boycotting states that blatantly discriminate and start spending our tourist $$$ big time on those states who are gay friendly. California and Massachusetts come to the front of the line. Utah top of the boycott, with Aloha-ville #2. I’m done… stick a fork in me!

  15. Donsnyc says

    My heart is broken into a million pieces when I read this. This is not the Hawaii that I know! The islands are like home to me, and it is not easy and kinda expensive if you are from the east coast to go to the islands every free time that I get. I love to surf and to “hang loose” and just getting lost in the beauty of the nature is very precious to me.

    The beautiful yet powerful beaches of the north shore, the laid back people of Maui, the raw beauty of Molokai, Kauai and the Big Island. The native Hawaiians are as beautiful and as open minded as can be.

    The history of the native Hawaiians were that the people were not ashamed of their sexuality and their nakedness. Only when the religious missionaries settled in the islands that they taught the natives to be ashamed of their nakedness and made the people wear mumu’s and sarong fashioned out of table cloth.

    This is not the Hawaii that I know, now they are tainted by religious bigotry. I am really heartbroken. I may not go this year if this bill dies. I may not go in the next

  16. Donsnyc says

    My heart is broken into a million pieces when I read this. This is not the Hawaii that I know! The islands are like home to me, and it is not easy and kinda expensive if you are from the east coast to go to the islands every free time that I get. I love to surf and to “hang loose” and just getting lost in the beauty of the nature is very precious to me.

    The beautiful yet powerful beaches of the north shore, the laid back people of Maui, the raw beauty of Molokai, Kauai and the Big Island. The native Hawaiians are as beautiful and as open minded as can be.

    The history of the native Hawaiians were that the people were not ashamed of their sexuality and their nakedness. Only when the religious missionaries settled in the islands that they taught the natives to be ashamed of their nakedness and made the people wear mumu’s and sarong fashioned out of table cloth.

    This is not the Hawaii that I know, now they are tainted by religious bigotry. I am really heartbroken. I may not go this year if this bill dies. I may not go in the next

  17. michele says

    I am a christian.. God is the only one with the right to judge. These people are only asking for the leagal rights to protect their familys.. medcally and legally.. equal rights . they wont call it Marriage . How do you cold hearted, stiff neck people think Our God In Heaven feels do you think He does not love all peaople . and their children eqaully..shame on you who play God and Judge..

  18. David in Houston says

    2,000 church goers should not be in the position of dictating public policy. Especially when that policy has no direct effect on their lives. It must give them a nice feeling of superiority when they can use the bible to justify their homophobia. I’m sure Jesus would approve. What a bunch of f*cking hypocrites.

    The powers that be in Hawaii might want to consider the ramifications of their actions. If the Senate Judiciary and Government Operations Committee votes down House Bill 444, I can guarantee them that at least 10% of their tourism money will disappear. I won’t hesitate to email my family and friends, and let them know that Hawaii promotes discrimination.

  19. Attmay says

    We need to picket Mormon churches. Each and every Sunday we need to be out there getting in their faces, passing out pamphlets showing the extent of their homophobia and the sham that is the LDS Cult.

  20. Paul R says

    Jeez some of you people are making this sound like the entire state is joyously burning gays at the stake! If you boycott Hawaii for not passing a civil unions bill, are you also going to boycott the other 45 or so other states also lacking such bills? Many of which also have laws expressly forbidding same-sex marriage and even civil unions? If so, a whole lot of you are going to have to move.

    This is pro-gay legislation that might get defeated, not anti-gay legislation that’s already passed. And again: the bill hasn’t been decided yet, but it did pass the House and may be pulled from committee for a full Senate vote—increasing its likelihood of passage.

    Rush to judgment, anyone? Stop giving these pricks so much premature power! They’re carrying signs reading “We Sed No Already”—don’t assume that they have extraordinary influence if they can’t even spell a four-letter word.

  21. bobbyjoe says

    Isn’t the argument du jour from many religious anti-gay obsessives that it’s “marriage” that they’re trying to protect, not simply standing in the way of human rights for a minority they just really, really don’t like? But this bill is about “civil unions;” it wouldn’t call ’em marriages, right? So I’m confused: I thought when actually pinned down and in a position to look bad, these ever-concerned about the sanctity of marriage folks (like our ever virtuous and honest Mormon pals) had been implying recently that they’d be okay with some sort of separate but equal thing, since it’s not “changing the definition of marriage.” Yet, here they are, even when it’s just about civil unions. Huh. Go figure.

  22. MAC says

    PAUL R, you don’t know what the f*ck you’re talking about. Bush was as dumb as your asinine comments and we had that prick (your language, not mine) for eight f*cking years! This isn’t a spelling contest, idiot.

    Try being constructive instead of being a whining little bitch. You’re sad.

  23. Kyle Sullivan says

    Excuse me, Mike, but California just passed Prop 8 taking the right to marry away from gay couples, and now people in that state are trying to tear apart the marriages that took place before 8 passed.

    As for Hawaii, been there and done that and didn’t like it a bit. Very commercial and overbuilt, even on the “nice” islands. I say let the fucking place rot.

  24. GayRepublican says

    I am a gay Christian and I am sick and tired of stupid, hateful bigots using Jesus as an excuse to hate. I think I’m going to go around with a shirt that says something like, “My God isn’t hateful. Why is yours?” or something along those lines.

  25. GayRepublican says

    BTW, for those who are focusing on the mormons, I’d be very surprised if it was the mormons who were holding up the signs that said, “Turn to Jesus or Burn in Hell.” That kind of statement doesn’t match the mormon understanding of Hell.

  26. shhhhh says

    If this civil union bill dies, then does that mean someone can sue Hawaii just like the appeal in California Supreme Court right now?

    I would love to see the opponents get spanked by a civil rights issue — that denial of civil unions effectively creates a 2nd class of citizen — and is therefore unconstitutional.

    This issue is so clearly about the tyranny of the majority and so clearly about religion. It’s ridiculous. Let’s go after their funding and scrutinize the paper trail for violations of separation of church and state.

    Pull their tax exempt status! Take their church property by eminent domain. We could sure use more public parks instead of pulpit pounding.

  27. Ben says

    I think we’re pouring the hate on a bit prematurely. It’s one protest, and not a large one (2,000 people in a state of 1.4 million?) Read the other part of the story – the state House has passed the bill, and the president of the state Senate is determined to get it through. Hawaii is experiencing protests because it’s being progressive, not because there’s an institutional, statewide hatred of gays.

    The real question is where the Governor, Linda Lingle, stands. She’s a Republican (rare in Hawaii, which has fewer than 10 Republican state legislators and gave 71 percent of its vote to Obama). Will she sign the bill, like Jodi Rell did in Connecticut? Or will she veto? If she does the latter, I doubt there’s enough support in the Legislature to override.

  28. FunMe says

    OK, with this economy – time to boycott Hawaii. They want to promote HATE.

    Fine. I will go somewhere else.

    Seriously was planning to go to Hawaii this year, but no more.

    f*** the haters!

  29. Jack LORD says

    Why would people fortunate enough to live on the island paradise of Hawai’i feel a need to pollute their sunny day with negativity from the judgment of others, and default their existing joy of life to the hopelessness of religious fiction.
    It’s time for these mislead lemmings to run off Diamondhead and drown in the surf.

  30. says

    I sorta agree with MARKL that if the anti-gay side can get 2,000 people with a good percentage of them wearing the same color and we can only get 75 people to show up in support than the bill deserves to die.

    It’s possible that we may be doing a better job of actually writing the Senators involved from actual constituents, but somehow I doubt it.

  31. says

    As a gay man I have to say that as long as the gay community insists on using the term ‘marriage’. Until WE can agree on another word we will not get that right.
    Actually, marriage is not a right it is a choice. The religious right wants to have this term only used for them, when most of them don’t even follow the rules of marriage. That time will be coming soon!

  32. TANK says

    What are rights but options, alan? Choices based upon options. Perhaps you meant that marriage is a privilege, and you distinguish privilege from right by meeting certain criteria, making both an unsound assertion (every right you have comes with a set of criteria you have to meet) and begging the question at hand by assuming that one of the criteria is that the punchline–er, participants need to be man and woman.

    It’s too late to change the word. Marriage is the word, and that’s not going to change. And that’s good. Any other word would have made the possibility of full equality a more distant goal. Now let’s stop reacting to the bigots, and start anticipating and making preemptive strikes. It’s not difficult if you have a mind… That’s the only way we’re gonna win.

  33. Paul R says

    Watch out, Ben. Reasonable talk like that will get you flamed around here. Also, be sure not to mention that the Hawaii Senate has 23 Democrats and 2 Republicans. You’re absolutely correct that Lingle is the crux of the argument here.

  34. edfu says

    Those who know the abysmal history of the destruction of the native Polynesian culture–and the native Hawaiians themselves–by Christianist missionaries and settlers should not be surprised by these developments today. Read James Michener’s “Hawaii” or see the movie to understand the havoc and misery caused by these vile propagandists and the manner in which they took control of the islands and destroyed local governance in the name of the U.S. government. We have much to be ashamed of. The United States overthrew the Hawaiian kingdom in the name of the U.S.’s Christianist god and established a theocracy controlled by a Mormon majority. The birds have come home to roost. The native population, before its forced conversion, was homophilic, but its overseers banned and outlawed more than just the hula. I do not think there is a better example of how destructively evil the empiric goals of the U.S. can be.

  35. Smores says

    I’m glad to see it, gay marriage will be the destruction of this country. These guys are worse than radical muslims trying to force their lifestyle on everyone.

  36. Wheezy says

    I’ve said this before, I’ll say it again:

    They hate queers, they must hate queer dollars. Take your queer ass and your queer cash to gay positive climes. If you live in an anti-gay state, move. Your job is probably not going to last anyway. Saskatchewan Canada may not be the most fabulous party spot, but their economy is still strong where ours is going to crap. Why not give your time and energy to people who actually grant us equal rights and offer us protection from bigotry. If you are going on vacation, (I can’t say this enough times), only visit gay positive/gay equality places. Show them your appreciation with your $$$$ in these tough economic times. Let the homophobes support themselves. If they have $ 73 million dollars to through away on bigotry, I’m sure they don’t need OUR money.

    NO. MORE. MR. NICE. GAY!!!

  37. Ben says

    I don’t understand the calls for a boycott of Hawaii. This was one relatively small protest (2,000 people in a state of 1.4 million). The important fact is that the Hawaii House has passed this bill, and the Democratic leaders in the Senate are committed to passing this bill. That’s a sign Hawaii is very, very progressive. Compare this to the Utah Legislature, which is voting down gay equality bills left and right.

    The real question is, will Linda Lingle, the moderate Republican governor of Hawaii, sign the bill. It didn’t quite pass with a veto-proof majority in the House.

  38. Loran says

    You know what…it’s not that we hate you who that choose alternative lifestyles. We dislike what you do and how you live. Of course, YOU make YOUR own choices and have to answer for YOURSELVES. Biologically, not religiously speaking, how were we made anyways. Obviously the plumbing tells it all. Besides all that, what is morally correct or are there no morals left in this world at all. I guess everyone needs to justify their own choices someway or somehow, so why not just blame the “religious extremists” for YOUR CHOICE of lifestyles. It’s okay, we know the truth.

  39. Ala says

    Personally speaking, as I have many friends who are a gay, I am tired of people flaunting their homosexuality. If you decide to live this type of lifestyle fine by me…but do not expect to reap the benefits I do by living as a heterosexual. I am not a religious extremist by any means, but I do believe that your lifestyle is morally incorrect. I do not feel my “children” should have to see 2 men or 2 women kissing at the mall or beach. Same would go for a man and a woman. If you choose to live this way fine but do not force your opinions on me, I would not do that to you.

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