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Pope: 'Sexuality Has An Intrinsic Meaning...Which Is not Homosexual'

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The Pope, who earlier this week clarified his new stance on condom use, has a new book out called "Light of the World: The Pope, the Church and the Signs of the Times." Not surprisingly, the book, which is formated as a series of interviews, is full of some of the same anti-gay views we've heard from him in the past:

The interviewer, German journalist Peter Seewald, asked the pope whether the church's teaching that homosexuals deserve respect isn't contradicted by its position that homosexual acts are "intrinsically disordered."

The pope answered: "No. It is one thing to say that they are human beings with their problems and their joys, that as human beings they deserve respect, even though they have this inclination, and must not be discriminated against because of it."

"At the same time, though, sexuality has an intrinsic meaning and direction, which is not homosexual," he said. "The meaning and direction of sexuality is to bring about the union of man and woman and, in this way, to give humanity posterity, children, a future."

The pope said the church needs to hold firm on this point, "even if it is not pleasing to our age."

He said it was still an open question whether homosexual inclinations are innate or arise early in life. In any case, he said, if these are strong inclinations, it represents "a great trial" for the homosexual.

"But this does not mean that homosexuality thereby becomes morally right. Rather, it remains contrary to the essence of what God originally willed," he said.

Meanwhile, some HIV workers have welcomed the Pope's recent views on condoms saying "It's long overdue because people are dying and the Church has a responsibility to step up and take care of its people."

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  1. Pope Benedict is a pile of shit. Can't people see the EVIL in his eyes?

    Posted by: Theo | Nov 27, 2010 6:15:46 PM


  2. Ever wonder why the world is overpopulated? Perhaps enforcing a heteronormative culture that encourages women to have large numbers of children has thrown our species out of balance with nature. So now we have a runaway population.

    Posted by: ophu | Nov 27, 2010 6:22:55 PM


  3. F the pope. Someday the Nazi will burn in hell. Too bad I don't believe there is a hell, but he does.

    Posted by: Bubba | Nov 27, 2010 6:28:20 PM


  4. Fuck the pope and any asshole who puts him on a pedestal.

    Posted by: Bobby | Nov 27, 2010 6:36:37 PM


  5. The pope just needs some hot boy-boy action to loosen him up.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Nov 27, 2010 6:41:17 PM


  6. I don't see ending in this. There probably are people and organisations that will never accept gays and homosexuality. They see homosexuality only as sex (and why, I'll leave the answer for anyone reading this) not as love and natural thing. The pope just doesn't understand nor doesn't want to understand what gays are trying to say. We are third class people to them. I only wish Jesus will have more understanding, after all said he spent his time with people the society pushed away. I wonder what he would have to say about the Vatican.

    Posted by: Matt26 | Nov 27, 2010 6:50:28 PM


  7. Why is what this man says or thinks of any concern to humans? He has no power over me..."be gone before someone drops a house on you too"

    Posted by: Sargon Bighorn | Nov 27, 2010 7:01:24 PM


  8. This is ridiculous...as if I needed to contribute that waste of type to express it...but for different reasons and some of the same (he's an unethical bastard, though not rivaling renaissance intrigue and excess, is engaging in a protracted, painful battle with reality that will inevitability end in failure...every time nazi pope speaks, you can practically hear galileo whisper, "but it does move...").

    There is no such thing as "intrinsic meaning"--it's a meaningless term...noises that signify nothing. Willard Van Orman Quine proved this, and because of that is regarded as the greatest philosopher of the former half of the twentieth century...because in philosophy, it's very, very rare (and fucking hard) that something is PROVEN like in science...and he proved something that meaning is always underdetermined, and there is no such thing as "absolute meaning" or intrinsic meaning...for anything...in his rather dense essay the two dogmas of empiricism (one of the greatest essays in the history of analytic philosophy), and in much greater detail in his dense but great book, "word and object". On purely objective grounds, he's lying, and relying on an ancient and completely vacuous theory of meaning Quine dubbed the museum conception, and systematically annihilated.

    This appears like I'm going far afield to call a douche a douche, but I approach theological debate in the same way...any difficulty in reconciling god's nature or god with paradox and problem is met with the same response from me: "God doesn't exist. This isn't fun, and it's pointless...even saying 'god' doesn't exist in meaningless". It is pointless....intrinsically, even... to talk of meaninglessness....and when you get into so-called respectable theology (high brow, whatever), they've defined god in such a way as to flirt with incoherence...because they can't maintain their faith coherently. It's nothing...noises...

    Posted by: TANK | Nov 27, 2010 7:05:43 PM


  9. @Tank,

    Thanks for that philosophical lecture, but your rant is only about the nonexistence of God, going even as far as attacking sympathetic churches. Such argument doesn't help gays in general.

    Posted by: Adrian | Nov 27, 2010 7:54:58 PM


  10. How is the Pope qualified to give an authoritative opinion about sexuality? He's neither a doctor nor a psychologist.

    Posted by: Max | Nov 27, 2010 7:58:22 PM


  11. neither do sympathetic churches, which constitute less than one per cent of christianity, in total. And yes, they bare responsibility for the homophobia of their fellow christians...as much as they desire to innoculate themselves from it, maintaining the falsity of "outside observer" status. No go cock punch yourself as hard as you can, moron.

    Posted by: TANK | Nov 27, 2010 7:59:15 PM


  12. So, let me see if I get this right. The Pope admits that homosexuality might be innate, but even if it is it's NOT "what God originally willed."

    Uh, Pope, buddy, if God exists and something is innate, then wouldn't that by definition mean that God willed it to be that way?

    I mean, maybe I don't know my theology, but if God made a duck innately a duck, then wouldn't he mean it to BE a duck and not, say, a giraffe?

    Pope (if you happen to be reading Towleroad at the moment), you seem to be saying that God made a duck a duck but he doesn't will it to be a duck. So why did he make it a duck in the first place? Did he proclaim "Voila! I innately make you a duck.. no, wait, I meant a giraffe! Damn! Oops."?

    Apparently the headline for this article should instead read: "Pope Claims God Makes Mistakes." Now THAT'S news.

    Posted by: bobbyjoe | Nov 27, 2010 7:59:34 PM


  13. neither do sympathetic churches, which constitute less than one per cent of christianity, in total. They do nothing to change the hateful antigay propaganda that characterizes mainstream christianity. And yes, they bare responsibility for the homophobia of their fellow christians...as much as they desire to innoculate themselves from it and maintain the falsity of an outside observer status. No go cock punch yourself as hard as you can, moron.

    Posted by: TANK | Nov 27, 2010 8:00:27 PM


  14. double post...well, I got another thrust of the rusty blade into your dead, pathetic argument, tool.

    Posted by: TANK | Nov 27, 2010 8:02:11 PM


  15. @Tank,

    My, my. What a crappy disposition you have. Name calling is not very adult behavior. I only disagreed with you because your argument isn't rooted against homophobia--it's against spirituality. I pointed it out and you react by throwing a tantrum laden with put-downs. You can argue in a civilized manner, right? Is that too much to ask?

    Posted by: Adrian | Nov 27, 2010 8:31:57 PM


  16. The pope would use terms like "normal" and "perversion," which are, in the sense he'd use them, not known in science. They are value judgments.

    Everything found in nature is natural. But if all he knows is theology, he won't understand what that statement means.

    Posted by: Soren456 | Nov 27, 2010 8:40:21 PM


  17. @Rat. Sadly, I'm pretty sure by his silence in helping the kids abused by priests, that this freak has probably had LOTS of boy/boy hookups ... in all the wrong places, in the most inappropriate ways.

    I have no doubt he's going to be doing some explaining sometime after he's gone. :)

    Posted by: Craig | Nov 27, 2010 8:43:39 PM


  18. "At the same time, though, sexuality has an intrinsic meaning and direction, which is not homosexual..."

    The intrinsic meaning of homosexuality IS to be sexually attracted to the same gender... Your Holy Dumbass!

    "The meaning and direction of sexuality is to bring about the union of man and woman and, in this way, to give humanity posterity, children, a future."

    So basically he just gave a big middle-finger to all those heterosexuals in the world that never found a partner, and never had children. How christian of him.

    Posted by: David in Houston | Nov 27, 2010 8:44:39 PM


  19. The problem is that the Catholic church remains fixated on sexual organs. Your penis or vagina dictates your role in the family and society. Homosexuality is a role-breaker. They have a hard time understanding that families are built with love, not a pair of "complementary" gonads.

    Posted by: Adrian | Nov 27, 2010 9:04:37 PM


  20. Bring back the lions.

    Posted by: Sean | Nov 27, 2010 10:02:12 PM


  21. Crappy disposition? Bitch, I'm just warming up. But really, relevant analysis about peepee vagina and mainstream christianity's (as it's not just catholicism that's implicated in christofascist hate) obsession with sexism, which causes homophobia...really relevant...a long time ago.

    Now if you want things to change, you're not going to achieve that cultivating relationships with the UCC, or so-called "sympathetic" churches or faith community...playing nicey nice with so-called allies in propping up christian dogma as a viable belief system, however obliquely. That's not how it's done. What changes the attitude and dialogue (of mainstream christianity, which is homophobic as moderates are truly useless people) is money, and donations and membership will decrease as stigma increases. When it's considered as distasteful as racism to be homophobic, then the church will come around (because the bottom line is, religion is about money and influence, period)...not through trying to understand dogma...or reasoning with unreasonable people spouting gibberish..no no...when they feel embarrassed and ashamed, then they've got something called self interest at stake, and that motivates most people...well, just about everyone....and christians are definitely no exception to the rule.

    Posted by: TANK | Nov 27, 2010 10:04:45 PM


  22. With all the evidence of people's lives and relationships, with all the advances in research and the social sciences over the last sixty years, there is really no excuse for this pope's outrageous claims. He is either blind, or caught in his own circular worldview, or just unwilling to do the research that is needed to understand human sexuality and the lives of gay people. He has claimed no one should be surprised when people react violently against people who want gay sex to be legal, he has claimed that gay couples do emotional violence to the children they raise, he has declared that gay sexual relationships cannot be loving, he has reduced gay relationships to sex, and he has likened gay relationships to disasters befalling the human race. He states that gay people deserve respect for their humanity, but he and his episcopal minions have opposed every single attempt by people to legally guarantee civil rights to gay people - whether the right be that of civil marriage, of adoption, or of non discrimination in housing, jobs, access to public accommodations or any other such rights. His message to gay children and youths is that they are disordered in the core of their nature and that they should deny themselves in order to please their creator and should not expect to ever live fulfilling lives of love and openness. He tells such youths that if they do live such lives, their creator will condemn them to eternal punishment - a fate much worse than even Hitler or Stalin or Mao or Idi Amin or any other despot could impose on their subjects. His message is as much sexual abuse as is any physical act of abuse. He abuses gay youths emotionally and tells his minions to do the same. And he opposes any laws that would outlaw such abuse. This is perverse, it is evil.

    Posted by: John Patrick | Nov 27, 2010 11:45:12 PM


  23. Emm...Fuck You, Palpatine. Also, what are you wearing?

    Posted by: lemonarchy | Nov 28, 2010 1:10:30 AM


  24. I normally wouldn't waste the time to spit on the Pope but I am writing because I don't want you to become another victim. The Pope is full of crap. He's an old man in a dress that doesn't fit well. If you are young and tempted to blow your brains out because the Pope makes you feel ashamed to be alive then I have some advice for you: God loves ALL of his children. God doesn't make mistakes. You are here because you have a purpose in life that is to be fulfilled if only by being alive. Love yourself, love your family, love your friends and your enemies. Don't let a dirty sick old bastard do you in with his lies.

    Posted by: Bill Michael | Nov 28, 2010 2:46:31 AM


  25. Does anyone know what the great Wizard of Hogwarts thinks? That’s about as relevant as this declaration. We are living through a very fascinating time, we are seeing the final century of the death of Holy Roman Empire. It’s been a long time coming. It must be like what the ancients felt when witnessing the death of their gods. Isis, Zeus to Jesus and Mohammad, all gasping for last breaths over the bones of us failed human beasts looking for answers, absolutely fascinating.

    Posted by: Rich | Nov 28, 2010 3:16:40 AM


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