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  1. km says

    it amazes me how common people are against him. he shed’s light on our own government’s gross misconduct around the world and our support of corrupt governments and then people say he’s risking lives. if we weren’t in bed with the saudis and bribing people who funnel our money to terrorists, then there would be no lives at risk in the first place. suitcases with $52,000,000 in the them don’t sit around in afghanistan without ending up in terrorist hands. people are too dumb to see this irony. asange is a patriot, and sadly he’s not even american.

  2. corruptleadingtheblind says

    American citizens ought to be cheering him on. He’s shining a very bright light on all the awful, and disgraceful things our government has done and continues to do, all around the World!! Things, that may end up biting us regular folk in the ass, while others hide safely in their undisclosed locations, sitting atop piles of cash!! We scream and shout about how awesome we are….looks like our shine, is looking a little dull, right now! We behave like a kid who got his hand caught in the cookie jar, with that “what…what did i do?” look on our face. We all shout about wanting the truth, about what our “leaders,” are up to in our name….but when it’s laid out in front of us, we refuse read, see or believe it. Yes, there’s a country that’s a laughing stock around the World, and it’s not Sweden!!

    We’re #1….in a lot bad things!

  3. ratbastard says

    I don’t have a problem with exposing corruption within the U.S. government and state/local governments. If U.S. government diplomatic correspondence is exposed I would likewise expect to see EU, Indian,Russian, Chinese, Brazilian, German, French, UK, etc., governmental and diplomatic correspondence leaked and exposed. There are obviously MANY non-U.S. do-gooders and one world citizen of the world type. I encourage each and ever one to do what they can to get their hands on and leak their respective government(s) confidential governmental and diplomatic correspondence. I for one would LOVE to know what’s going on behind the scenes at the EU in Brussels, Russia, China and so-on. A brave AMERICAN stood up to the plate and leaked U.S. ‘secrets’…where are the brave Brits, Euros, Russians, Chinese? I want to see something on the same scale as the U.S. leaks.

  4. Caleb says

    As much as everyone shits on the United States, I can assure you what our diplomats do is not anything compared to what the rest of the world is doing.

    Firstly, 95% of these cables do not expose anything but conversations between diplomats that are hardly evidence of any wrongdoing or corruption and do nothing more than make it more difficult for the State Dept. to engage other leaders in an effort to cooperate to keep N. Korea or Iran in check. Is anyone here so foolish to think there isn’t negotiation or deals cut to ensure that we’re not going it alone when it comes to checking the likes of Kim Jong Il? I get so sick of hearing people bemoan America for “going it alone” in Iraq and Afghanistan (for perfectly legitimate reasons) but then get upset when America engages anyone else to try to rebuild any diplomatic and economic ties we severed when Bush was in office.

    And now people are “outraged” about the latest leak that lists sites important to US security – many of which are US military installations abroad – accusing America of trying to take over the world. Ignoring the fact that many of this “influence” is a remnant of our entry into World War II (69 years ago today actually).

    For as much criticism as we can lob at the United States for keeping it’s thumb on a lot of the world, there are millions and millions of people across this planet who are thankful every day we did it and continue to do it.

    We’re not perfect but by fucking God, we’re better than most. All Wikileaks has done is tried to fan the flames of anti-American sentiment abroad, as if the leaders of most of the Middle East and Asia are not significantly more corrupt than we could ever be.

  5. says

    Caleb,

    Tell the Iraqi and Afghani people that we’re ‘better than most.’ 100,000+ dead Iraqis because of our war that should have ended up with Bush and Cheney sent to an international war crimes court.

  6. Scout says

    @Kugel: the line, “I get so sick of hearing people bemoan America for “going it alone” in Iraq and Afghanistan (for perfectly legitimate reasons)” can be read several ways. Given the rest of Caleb’s comment, I think you might have misunderstood his point, which seems valid.

    @Ryan, do a count of the number of Iraqis killed under Hussein in the 80s and 90s. I did not and do not support the war, but once war happens it causes mass loss of life—a tragedy, no question. (Americans had huge numbers of wounded instead of casualties, but only thanks to superior medical treatment.)

    But Saddam would undoubtedly have killed nearly as many civilians and opponents over the past eight years because he was paranoid and insane. I’m not defending our approach or actions, and I’d have loved an alternative to the unwarranted war. But Iraq has been a hellhole for generations, and body counts hardly matter to anyone in charge there. That we’ve caused widespread slaughter is indeed criminal, and the rationale for the war was inane and mendacious. But Iraq and the rest of the region isn’t going to be stable for generations (if that).

    If for nothing else, the war might have tamped down the ambitions of other rogue states planning to assert similar dominance over their long-suffering populations. That’s the only positive thing I can say given that we can’t change the past and our grievously failed foreign policy.

    Jeez I practically sound like a neocon, and if I get accused of that I will laugh heartily.

  7. anon says

    The people behind WL used to be all anonymous, but to raise money they came out of hiding. I guess their timing was off. This is a “speeding ticket” style of justice. You get a speeding ticket because you “might” cause harm from speeding. It’s a hypothetical that govts can enforce on civilians to discourage potentially harmful acts. However, the parade of hypotheticals being very large, one must be on the lookout for potential abuse by authorities. This tug-of-war tends to get redone with each generation because the incentives for the govt are so huge.

  8. says

    Scout… there’s no way on earth Saddam would have come anywhere close to killing as many people as we have in Iraq. Not even close. Iraq was essentially contained at that point — he didn’t have access to the northern areas and didn’t have the resources to carry out the reign of terror there that we have.

  9. ratbastard says

    Reality:

    Only a relative handful of nations are reasonably ‘free’ and where citizens can expect at least a reasonable level of personal freedom. The U.S., Canada, Australia, N.Z., UK, Western Europe, Japan, a few other Asian nations, most Latin American nations [although the corruption and violence in L.A. dominates life for most]. MOST of our world, including all of the Middle East minus Israel, are oppressive, undemocratic, societies which severely limit personal freedoms of average citizens.

    Issue:

    Globalization has created a very inter-connected world. ALL nations and societies must to varying degrees interact and trade with other nations and societies.

    Those who run governments and businesses must live in the real world. They must deal with real world issues like corruption, culture clashes, etc., More often than not ‘When in Rome, do as the Romans do’ applies. This puts them in direct conflict with those who want and expect a perfect, Utopian world. Unfortunately, those who espouse a Utopian world view usually promote unworkable [in the real world] solutions.

    MOST of the seemingly intractable problems the less fortunate places in our world have are [IMO] culture-based…not strictly economic. Unless you can get people to accept a more appreciative role society and the world outside their familiar circle has on their well being and the their role in the grand scheme of things, little will change for the better. Also, basically all advanced 1st world societies [the most desirable places in the world to live] have in common an appreciation and understanding of the importance of the rule of law [over emotion] and a great deal of freedom for the individual. Oppression and corruption are kept at a minimum. You can’t be an advanced and desirable place for the average person to live and prosper without these concepts.

  10. Adrian says

    This piece of human garbage needs to be locked up for life in solitary confinement for crimes against humanity! He is just typical of the liberal socialist filth that is destroying Europe right now!

  11. says

    Is letting the world know a crime, Is it not the right of the World to know. The question remains ? Will the world suspect a conspiracy behind the arrest of wiki leaks who wildly SHOOK Pentagon.

  12. says

    WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange was arrested and jailed without bail Tuesday in a sex-crimes investigation, but his organization scarcely missed a beat, releasing a new batch of the secret cables that U.S. officials say are damaging America’s security and relations worldwide.

    A month after dropping out of public view, the 39-year-old Australian surrendered to Scotland Yard to answer a warrant issued for his arrest by Sweden. He is wanted for questioning after two women accused him of having sex with them without a condom and without their consent.

    Assange said he would fight extradition to Sweden, setting the stage for what could be a pitched legal battle. And as if to prove that it can’t be intimidated, WikiLeaks promptly released a dozen new cables, including details of a NATO defense plan for Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania that made Russia bristle.

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