1. TampaZeke says

    Interesting how he changes hats mid-sentence and starts talking as if it’s a done deal and the only issue is that we “do this in a deliberate and thoughtful way”.

    On the other hand, if he’s seeking the Republican VP nomination, there’s NO WAY in hell that he will sign a marriage equality bill. If that’s the case he’s just postponing his announcement that he will veto until the most politically opportune moment so that he can get the most impact from the base.

  2. Jersey says

    Don’t be fooled – Christie will veto the bill.

    But this shows how the ground is shifting. Republicans in blue states don’t necessarily have to support marriage equality, but they do need to pretend that they are not reflexively anti-gay. Christie is nothing if not a smart politician and he is doing exactly the right thing to convince independents and moderates that he is thoughtfully weighing the issue.

  3. says

    Wow, I didn’t realize it was possible to say so many and yet so few things at once in one minute.

    He’s playing a delicate political game, trying to satisfy the moderate majority in NJ while playing to the extreme anti-gayness of the Republican party as a whole. (I don’t see him as the VP nominee. Someone southern and a little “ethnic” like Rubio seems more likely.) And he’s spouting pure nonsense when he says that equality will overturn 100s of years of societal and religious tradition. 1) Heterosexuals have changed marriage in those 100s of years , making all the arguments against inclusion of same-sex couples in the 2012 version of marriage nonsensical. Equality overturns nothing. 2) Civil marriage isn’t religious marriage, and he knows it.

    The good thing here is that someone who isn’t a complete homophobe (à la Frothy) actually is forced to think twice about rejecting gay people, especially when the public is increasingly moving to our side.

  4. Matt says

    I agree with Jersey’s comment. I think he will veto it. But I think he wants to blunt the reaction to his veto by making it seem like he anguished over it and studied feverishly and only reached that conclusion after deep thought. He doesn’t want to appear anti-gay, which is a sign of progress when talking about a Republican.

  5. TampaZeke says

    I might remind Christie that the Emancipation Proclamation “overturned hundreds of years of societal legal and religious tradition” as did Brown v Board of Education, Women’s suffrage, etc, etc, etc.

    In fact, the concept of “one man, one woman” marriage overturned THOUSANDS of years of societal legal and religious traditions.

  6. Vern Dufford says

    F___K! This is the problem with both the republican and democrat parties the GUTLESS politician that holds to their party line.
    The republican this time around have taken this to a new level of GUTLESSNESS.Lets not fool ourselves they are still the party of protecting their vast wealth, but also the element of hate and racism still permeate though the party … the stench sickens me!

  7. james says

    On paper you might have some hope, but if you listen to his tone in the recording, it seems to indicate he is not going to change his mind.

    As a side note his statement about religious traditions being overthrown, is not what Civil Marriage Equality proponents are arguing, so it’s annoying that he brings that up. That is straight out of the Catholic Church playbook.

  8. Matt says

    I agree with Jersey, Christie will veto the bill as sure as he loves himself some krispy kremes.

    Ole tubby is a smart man, he knows to respond to this line of questioning in a neutral, we’ll see when we get there, kind of way. This way he can postpone the strong attack from the left, for now at least.

  9. anon says

    Republicans in NJ are largely country club types that aren’t too interested in social issues, but everything here should be seen through the prism of Mitt Romney’s choice of VP.

  10. Rich F. says

    @ Jersey, et al: He definitely won’t sign the bill, but I don’t think he’ll veto it. I think he’s going to let it sit on his desk for 45 days and allow it to become law through Executive inaction, probably in exchange for Democratic concessions in favor of his tax plan.

    Marriage equality is relatively popular in NJ among independents, without whom he loses reelection next year. Plus, the polling trends for marriage equality have reached an inflection point, with the number of those in favor steadily increasing every year. Gov. Fat Bastard has aspirations for national office; if trends continue the way they have been, opposing marriage equality will be a political liability for mainstream candidates by 2016.

  11. Pointed says

    “years of societal legal and religious tradition.”
    We are not trying to change the religious tradition of marriage – please have all the straight marriages (and divorces) you want. We are just trying to get legal marriage protections – nothing less than the protections granted by existing opposite-sex marriages.

  12. EdDallas says

    Edno: it made me laugh when you wrote about him “weighing” the decision. This disgusting pig obviously knows nothing about weighing anything but how much he’ll Super Size his combo meal.

  13. says

    Sorry Andy, but I think you left out a very important part of the text of the audio in which the Governor talks about tradition, and sounds like he definitely won’t sign it. He’s trying to sound thoughtful and not being as bigoted as some of his counterparts, but make no mistake, he will veto the bill.

  14. NY2.0 says

    The sinfully gluttonous governor will veto because he like the majority of Repug politicians have to play to the bigotry of the GOP base.

    The only reason the GOP is still a viable party in 2012 is because they play on the fear and ignorance of the populace and of course with the help of some spineless Democrats.

  15. Max says

    I’m not a fan of Governor Christie, but what’s with all the fat comments? If it’s not ok to bully gays for being gay, then you can’t bully fat people for being fat either. There is plenty to criticize without resorting to petty, childish nonsense.

  16. NY2.0 says

    @MAX, fat people aren’t being bullied here Chris Christie is because of his obvious sanctimonious hypocrisy.

    Governor Christie is a big boy, he can handle it.

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