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Ukraine Lawmakers Consider Ban on Gay 'Propaganda', Any 'Positive Depictions of Gays in Public'

Taking a lead from St. Petersburg, Russia, a group of Ukrainian lawmakers hopes to ban gay "propaganda", the AP reports:

UkraineThe recently introduced bill, supported by the president’s representative in Parliament, would impose prison terms of up to five years and unspecified fines for spreading the “propaganda of homosexuality,” which the measure defines as positive depictions of gays in public.

It has prompted outrage from rights organizations in Ukraine and beyond that condemn the bill as a throwback to Soviet times, when homosexuality was a criminal offense. They also warn that the bill could lead to an increase in H.I.V. infections in Ukraine by driving gay people underground.

In May, a Gay Pride event was canceled in Ukraine after police refused to protect LGBT activists. The cancelation followed the beating of a a gay activist earlier in the month, which took place as media looked on.

In related news, AFP recently reported that 73 people have been prosecuted under St. Petersburg's anti-gay law.

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  1. I don't understand how countries which are members of the European Union are allowed to introduce all the extreme laws attacking gay people ?

    There are rules about what EU member states have to do and that included LGBT Human Rights. Why is Russia not kicked out of the EU or is it because the weak European politicians need Russia's money so they will tolerate anything as long as the money keeps rolling into the EU ?

    Leaders of the EU are DIRECTLY responsible for letting this anti gay legislation happen.

    Posted by: Icebloo | Jul 24, 2012 2:29:26 PM


  2. what a wonderful example of how little they've learned from their own not-too-distant histories.

    Posted by: LittleKiwi | Jul 24, 2012 2:39:09 PM


  3. They think they can shut us up and shut us down.

    They can't.

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Jul 24, 2012 2:47:01 PM


  4. Ukraine and Russia are not members of the EU.

    Posted by: Jeff | Jul 24, 2012 3:05:12 PM


  5. And a fuller account with comments from my friend Vitaly:

    http://tinyurl.com/cmfce6g

    PS David E! Enjoyed seeing you last night!

    Posted by: KevinVt | Jul 24, 2012 4:02:51 PM


  6. Are there any American evangelicals there as in African nations?

    Posted by: jake | Jul 24, 2012 4:03:21 PM


  7. This is an early sign of an impending nationalistic catastrophe of some sort...it always starts with finding scapegoats. Just like in 1930s Germany. Russia (and most of the former Soviet bloc, including the Ukraine) are 3-7 years away from reaching West African levels of corruption, and it isn't going to be pretty when they do. It won't be like the so-called "Arab spring" for various reasons, but it will involve large-scale violence and the threat of regional destabilization, or even outright regional war. I can imagine Russia and China going into to something together, only to stab each other in the back at the earliest convenience.

    (not that the western world is much better off at the moment...but we are)

    Posted by: St. T of Avila is now EchtKultig | Jul 24, 2012 4:16:07 PM


  8. @Icebloo Russian and the Ukraine are not in the European Union. I believe you mean the United Nations.

    Posted by: Owen | Jul 24, 2012 5:07:37 PM


  9. Those Asians are scared of all gay things because under the Soviet Empire information was null. I guess that overcoming that ignorance will take yet another century. Even though I doubt they'll evolve for the better. Maybe Chernobyl’s radioactivity makes them involutional instead.

    Posted by: YoYeahYo | Jul 24, 2012 5:14:04 PM


  10. Three quick points.

    1. As has been pointed out, Russia and Ukraine are not in the EU but participate in the Commonwealth of Independent States, a regional org made up of most of the former USSR member countries (Ukraine is no longer a full member but still participates). All of these countries are incredibly anti-gay.

    2. Secondly, both Ukrainians and Russians are slavic people and, as such, view themselves as Europeans, not Asians as stated by YOYEAHYO. Also, phrases such as "those asians" never come off well.

    3. Finally, China and Russia are already "into something together" as they are the two dominant members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, a military partnership akin to NATO. Many western IR scholars assume this partnership was forged in order to secure these countries against internal turmoil rather than any outside threat.

    Posted by: Ryan | Jul 24, 2012 5:51:27 PM


  11. Isn't Russia classified as a part of Eurasia? Not necessarily European or Asian. Although I would classify Russia as a part of Europe (I say this as somebody who has mixed English/Russian heritage).

    Posted by: Owen | Jul 24, 2012 6:03:56 PM


  12. Sorry to tell you honey, but “Slavic people” is an ample term used for linguistic reasons that comprise a wide range of ethnicities that are so different in appearance. Yes, I get they see themselves as European –just for bragging rights, not because they are really interested in any real and deep cultural nexus- but in attitudes they are still Cossacks prone to archaic simplistic thoughts. If they feel offended the best they could do is move to a higher standard with regards of human rights and inclusive democracy. If they take the “no real Ukrainian is gay” and “you don’t mention those sick people unless to lie and condemn them” reasoning, well, I think they are the farthest to Europe you can think of, even Japanese are more “European” in comparison. Asians is no derogative, is just a way to define the frontier they themselves mark with the countries they like to be “seen as part of”.

    Posted by: YoYeahYo | Jul 24, 2012 6:15:02 PM


  13. Hmm...Where are Rick and the other white supremacist gays?

    Posted by: Jens | Jul 24, 2012 7:29:55 PM


  14. not exactly the most welcoming people, considering this and the pogroms before with jews- ironic considering what most scholars think was the real sin of sodom which was inhospitality

    Posted by: MaddM@ | Jul 24, 2012 7:32:09 PM


  15. The entire country of Ukraine is IN Europe. Ukraine, like Russia, Like Russia, Ukraine is a member of the 47 nation Council of Europe, but not the EU. They do have some kind of special agreement since 1994, though.

    And Jake, yes. American fundamentalists have been very active, including Scott Lively and the Watchmen on the Walls. They are as active in E Europe as they are in Africa, alas.

    Posted by: KevinVt | Jul 24, 2012 8:11:24 PM


  16. "This is an early sign of an impending nationalistic catastrophe of some sort"

    It strikes me as the less and less popular autocratic governments, especially Russia's, doing what autocratic govts always do, find someone to blame. Distracts the people from the corruption. And, right on cue, the Orthodox churches become enablers, as they always have and always will.

    Posted by: BobN | Jul 24, 2012 9:32:24 PM


  17. To self-righteous Americans: RUSSIA AND UKRAINE ARE NOT PART OF THE EU!
    Not every European country is an EU member state.

    Posted by: Frederick Shuffrey | Jul 24, 2012 9:36:33 PM


  18. I thought all those years of communism was supposed to create the new, better man? Well, all it really did was retard Eastern Europe and especially Russia.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Jul 24, 2012 10:25:55 PM


  19. LOL! ONE POSTER referenced them being part of the E.U., Frederick! One! You're being little touchy there, Fred.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Jul 24, 2012 10:31:21 PM


  20. They are the ultimate Daddy. No means NO over there. A bit of that would be welcome against the wedding foolishness.

    Posted by: Brad | Jul 24, 2012 10:51:14 PM


  21. "Finally, China and Russia are already "into something together" as they are the two dominant members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization,"

    Thanks, I had read of this at some point but forgot about it. I did know they see themselves as a counterbalance to NATO and the USA. I was thinking something along a expansionist military excursion - perhaps into Afghanistan after we leave? Of course it would have to begin around a manufactured crisis of some kind.

    "Yes, I get they see themselves as European –just for bragging rights, not because they are really interested in any real and deep cultural nexus- but in attitudes they are still Cossacks prone to archaic simplistic thoughts."

    There are striking tales from multiple writers of the course of German versus Russian soldiers in places like Hungary during the WWII era. As evil as the Nazis were, their soldiers were relatively well behaved. The Russian soldiers raped and sometimes killed every woman and girl they could find.

    Posted by: EchtKultig | Jul 25, 2012 8:11:14 AM


  22. Its funny how everyone assumes American evangelists come to Africa to push the hate gays agenda. I live in Africa and I've seen very little of that happening!

    Posted by: Chris | Mar 11, 2013 5:09:54 PM


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