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PBS LGBT newsmagazine In The Life looks at the impact of DOMA and the battle over DOMA in the courts:

There are 1,138 benefits, rights and protections that married heterosexual couples get from the Federal Government. But because of the Defense of Marriage Act, gays and lesbians are denied every single one of them—even if they are legally married in the state they live in.

In The Life sits down with five married, same-sex couples for a look at the real-life impact of the Defense of Marriage Act.

Watch the whole episode, AFTER THE JUMP...

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  1. ...and still the Grubs (Gay Republicans) will defend DOMA !


    ...only in America do we have such self hating, attention-seeking morons.

    Posted by: Icebloo | Aug 1, 2012 7:21:50 PM


  2. Oh, Good Lord. Not all Democrats are our friends, and not all Republicans are our enemy. Quit painting with a broad brush. It took Obama forever to get to the right side of the issue. More and more Republicans are coming our way, but we will handicap our efforts by continuing to be a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Democrats -- easily taken for granted. They've been doing it for years.

    Posted by: LincolnLounger | Aug 1, 2012 8:10:50 PM


  3. The handful of equality-supporting elected Republicans nationwide deserve support, Lincolnlounger, but we'll stop painting the Republicans with a broad brush when they stop voting to take away or prevent our rights with a broad brush. Look at the vote counts: those are the facts. So, start persuading more of your Republicans, because they're the ones defending DOMA in court right now. And they're the ones, including Mitt Romney, who support a constitutional marriage amendment.

    Posted by: Ernie | Aug 1, 2012 8:24:47 PM


  4. As a Republican, I think we would do better calling it something other than "Marriage" which has a religious connotation. Why does it have to be "Marriage?" What is wrong with "nnnnnnn" with all the rights and privileges attached to it? I think you would win a lot more of the "right." Thoughts to ponder!

    Posted by: LauraLoonie | Aug 1, 2012 8:51:33 PM


  5. LAURALOONIE, you do realize that the majority of anti-gay marriage amendments also ban civil unions and domestic partnerships too right?

    The conservative Republicans really do want to deny the benefits to gay couples. It is not just about reserving the word marriage for straight couples.

    In addition, separate but equal has already been ruled inherently unequal and unconstitutional.

    Posted by: Josh | Aug 1, 2012 9:33:10 PM


  6. JOSH, I know plenty of mainstream Republicans who feel that gays and lesbians should have the same rights and privileges as they have, but do not like the word "Marriage" being extended beyond the traditional definition. These are Republicans who give their hard earned (dividends?) to many LGBT organizations, but still not feeling it when the "Marriage" word comes up. In many circles, the "M" word is not to be used at functions--they are just not comfy with it! It's there dime and our need...who wins?

    Posted by: LauraLoonie | Aug 1, 2012 9:46:32 PM


  7. Marriage: This grand struggle over one word has ever put symbolism over substance, sentiment over sense, "respectability" over true self-respect. What might have been an effort to win legal respect for a range of human relationships was instead made a "gay issue." By gay people themselves -- finding it "strategic" to play oppressed victims.
    RCB

    Posted by: Gary | Aug 1, 2012 10:10:56 PM


  8. I endorse LincolnLounger's views. It is a mistake to put the whole gay community in the hands of the Democratic Party. Some gays do not believe in abortion. Some of us are devout Christians. Some think that the immigration laws should be vigorously enforced. Just because you like other guys does not mean you're a liberal.

    Posted by: Ernst Röhm's Ghost | Aug 1, 2012 10:22:04 PM


  9. Ah, the Republican trolls are out again with yet more names! The multiple personalities breed like bunnies.

    @LaurieLoonie: Religion does not own "marriage." In fact, heterosexual agnostics and atheists marry all the time, and no one thinks twice about it. Furthermore, the DOMA cases all concern marriage and not "nnnnnn" or CUs or DPs etc. Section 3 of DOMA has repeatedly been found unconstitutional--legally married same-sex couples must be treated no differently than opposite-sex married couples; to do so is a violation of equal protection guarantees. Making Republicans "comfy" is not the goal--equality is. And the constitution is on our side.

    So, thanks for the "thoughts to ponder" but marriage equality is inevitable and on its way, so get "comfy" with it.

    Posted by: Ernie | Aug 1, 2012 11:42:26 PM


  10. @ ERNIE -- Thank you, my brother, for responding to the trolls so that the rest of us don't have to! Well said!

    Posted by: kit | Aug 1, 2012 11:48:52 PM


  11. ERNIE...you have a lot to learn about money and how it rules and shapes society. Marriage has a religious connotation, it is not defined by religion....grab yourself a dictionary! I personally do not like the "M" word, but then again, I have never been a follower or a victim!

    Posted by: LauraLoonie | Aug 2, 2012 5:09:21 AM


  12. Please press the Like button on the YouTube video so it will get more exposure.

    Posted by: Andy | Aug 2, 2012 5:41:19 AM


  13. People who keep insisting that marriage is a religious matter should read up on its history. Marriage began as a social contract to define matters like inheritance and dowry, and is different in every culture. Religion, in this instance Christianity, only got into the business centuries after the first marriages laws were already established. And until this day, marriage is a civil matter. You can be married without the blessing of the church, but you cannot be married without the blessing of the state.

    Posted by: Winston | Aug 2, 2012 8:35:59 AM


  14. People who keep insisting that marriage is a religious matter should read up on its history. Marriage began as a social contract to define matters like inheritance and dowry, and is different in every culture. Religion, in this instance Christianity, only got into the business centuries after the first marriages laws were already established. And until this day, marriage is a civil matter. You can be married without the blessing of the church, but you cannot be married without the blessing of the state.

    Posted by: Winston | Aug 2, 2012 8:36:01 AM


  15. And the word "traditional" does not mean anything in a legal context so kindly quit using it like it defines anything. For example, we could say that traditional marriage is between a man and a woman of the same race: that would be true since it was the norm for the majority of the United States' existence. We could also say that traditional marriage is between one man and many women: that would be true since it was the norm in biblical times, and the bible implicitly allows it.

    And gays voting for republicans is like jews voting for nazis. Sure, 0.5% of them are supportive of you, but the vast majority are against you. Sure, have a dialogue with them, try to change their minds, that's all good and well. But it would be sheer stupidity to support an organization that is so overwhelmingly against you.

    Posted by: Winston | Aug 2, 2012 8:43:49 AM


  16. Most democrats are our friends and most republicans are our enemies. Remember that simple FACT on election day.

    Posted by: andrew | Aug 2, 2012 8:53:13 AM


  17. Laurloonie said:

    "..we would do better calling it something other than "Marriage" which has a religious connotation. Why does it have to be "Marriage?"

    1. Marriage does not have a religious connotation. Marriage is a civil estate with optional, and varied, religious overtones.

    2. It has to be called marriage - because that is what it is. Marriage.

    Avoiding this issue is like complaining "Why does it have to be equality - can't it just be parity - for that special group over there in the corner - the one's we've gagged because they complain too much".

    As a non-American, I always foolishly thought that equality was what you were good at - but I realise I underestimated the strength & poison of superstitious fear.

    Posted by: coemgenus | Aug 2, 2012 9:02:00 AM


  18. Re LAURALOONIE's comment... as someone in a Civil Union, I know all too well that most people don't understand "Civil Union", or "Domestic Partner" or anything that isn't called marriage. Even my attorney needed an explanation of it - or he would have drawn up a contract incorrectly (and illegally). The HR director of my company, which offers same-sex partner benefits, needed guidance. I've known people who could not visit their spouse in the hospital without a fight, because they were in a Civil Union, but not "married". The average "Joe" on the street has no clue at all. So, the term "marriage" is important. I personally would like to see ALL unions, gay AND straight, called "Civil Marriage". What we are fighting for is legal equality - the "agenda" is not to change religion. After all, one has the freedom to practice whatever religion they choose - or not.

    Posted by: John | Aug 2, 2012 9:38:46 AM


  19. Sorry, LAURALOONIE, but you don't know what you're talking about.

    The only legal marriage in the US is civil marriage. In other words, all legal marriages involve the government. Whether or not marriage involves the church is up to churches and couples and has no bearing on legal rights. Some couples--gay and straight--get married in churches, some don't, irrelevant.

    The 5 couples in the episode (you know, the subject of this post) ARE married. So that train has already left the station, dear. The only question is whether it is constitutional to treat (because of DOMA) their marriages differently than other marriages and deprive one class of legal marriages federal benefits and protections. It is unconstitutional, a violation of equal protection guarantees. Don't take my word for it, take the decisions of multiple judges.

    So what your antiquated dictionary has to say about marriage means nada. Many thousands of gay couples are already married, many many more thousands will be when DOMA falls, which it will within the next couple of years. And the only people still defending DOMA are, basically, elected Republicans. They'll still be defending it long after its history.

    Troll smarter next time, Ms. Loonie.

    Posted by: Ernie | Aug 2, 2012 10:58:34 AM


  20. The federal government should not be involved in decisions that individuals make that influence only three lives. A civil union should be allowed to any two individuals who want it.

    Posted by: Lesbian Cupid | Oct 15, 2012 3:55:00 PM


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