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New MN Marriage Amendment Poll Reiterates Tight Race

MinnesotaSignageA new poll on Minnesota's Amendment 1, a measure that would write marriage discrimination into the state's constitution, shows that the race is still extremely close

The Minnesota Star Tribune reports that 47% of registered voters oppose the amendment, an unchanged number, while 48% of voters support amending the constitution to define marriage as one man, one woman. That's down one point from the previous polls. Five percent of people remain undecided, the paper says. Over 50% is needed one way or the other, and skipping the question qualifies as "no".

Not surprisingly, most of the people who oppose the amendment know someone who is LGBT: 54% of people who are voting no know someone who is gay or lesbian. Surprisingly, 40% of those who say they want to enshrine discrimination know someone who is gay or lesbian. Those are Michele Bachmann's people.

And, yes, religious leaders are playing a key role:

The sampling also found that Minnesota's faith leaders are enormously influential.

Fully 70 percent of supporters say their religious leader helped inform their decision on the question; 26 percent say their faith leader had little or no impact. Among amendment opponents, 27 percent said a faith leader played a significant role in their position.

Minnesotans United for All Families, a group trying to stop the unnecessary and hateful amendment, remain hopeful that Minnesotans will see the amendment for what it is.

"When Minnesotans go to the polls, they'll measure this amendment against their values of freedom and treating others as you would want to be treated," said the group's campaign manager, Richard Carlbom. "This amendment just doesn't stack up to our values as Minnesotans."

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  1. Faith leader? What an oxymoron.

    Posted by: Paul R | Oct 28, 2012 2:51:53 PM


  2. Has anyone ever explained why people are voting on civil rights?

    I could have sworn we lived in a country where our constitution forbids it.

    Posted by: Michael | Oct 28, 2012 3:02:26 PM


  3. We are going to lose all four referendums.

    Posted by: calvin | Oct 28, 2012 3:05:16 PM


  4. Calvin: I think, unfortunately, that's a possibility. It would be a good time for pro-equality politicians to revisit whether this is the best approach to the issue. Furthermore, look at the way it's still being exploited by the other side. The Republicans in Minnesota IIRC flat out stated they wanted it on the ballot to increase right-wing turnout...eight years after Rove invented the technique. Have we learned nothing in those 8 years? History might decide that Democratic politicians would have been wiser to table such measures and paying a miniscule short term political cost for a long term gain. It took a long time from the desegregation of the military to the desegregation of the South - it was almost a full generation. We've only just gotten to the first part of that progression - and if Romney wins we can kiss the repeal of DADT goodbye. We have powerful, well-funded enemies (The Catholics, the Mormons) and will for the foreseeable future...nobody wants to admit they made a mistake but if all four are defeated, it might be time to start thinking that.

    The only hope is to stop the election of Romney, who will turn the Supreme Court back to an 1890s worldview. That's really a more catastrophic outcome than ballot measures in all 50 states. Which, btw, 50 years ago would all have probably voted against inter-racial marriage.

    Posted by: EchtKultig | Oct 28, 2012 3:21:43 PM


  5. We CANNOT lose all four! You know how freaking humiliating it would be to our movement? Do everything you can to get same sex marriage legalized in these states!

    Posted by: Anthony | Oct 28, 2012 3:38:07 PM


  6. Ok seriously though about DADT...Paul Ryan even admitted that it's too late to go back on it because soldiers are already out of the closet. So please shutup about that. The issue is settled.

    Posted by: Anthony | Oct 28, 2012 3:49:55 PM


  7. @Michael. The Federal Constitution does not prohibit voting on civil rights. All our laws, including our national Constitutional and Bill of Rights and state Constitutions are voted on by someone, whether a legislator or a citizen.

    Amendments to the federal Constitution are not voted on by the electorate. Congress passes an amendment then submits it to states, where legislatures vote on it.

    In states, amendments are submitted to voters for approval.

    Posted by: jpeckjr | Oct 28, 2012 4:25:26 PM


  8. @Paul. Many, many religious leaders in Minnesota have publicly opposed and vigorously worked against this amendment.

    Posted by: revchicoucc | Oct 28, 2012 4:27:56 PM


  9. I don't think we'll lose all four. I am confident about Washington. I don't believe much in polls but the ones coming out of Maine, even after adding likely bias, look good for us. But Minnesota and Maryland are simply not going to work out for us. I would be pretty surprised to win either of them.

    The one thing that may help us in Minnesota is that every non-vote on a ballot is a NO vote for this amendment. So basically, apathetic people may actually work in our advantage here, or people on the fence. They may just as well not vote on this portion of the ballot and that would be an automatic vote for us.

    Posted by: Francis | Oct 28, 2012 4:41:05 PM


  10. I just read only 56% of 18-34 aged individuals are against the amendment. That's an atrocious number. Even in North Carolina it was over 2/3s in the highly college-populated areas like Durham, Chapel Hill and was at about 60% in Raleigh. Plus only 54% of the Twin Cities are against it.

    I definitely don't see it. We'll have to get lucky in Minnesota.

    Posted by: Francis | Oct 28, 2012 4:46:17 PM


  11. I believe that all the anti-gay measures will pass. Liberals always turn against us in the privacy of the polling booth. It happened in California and it is going to happen in Washington and Minnesota. Liberals are frauds.

    Posted by: jason | Oct 28, 2012 5:49:06 PM


  12. The question we should be asking is this: why are we allowing our rights to be voted upon? Has anyone thought about this? Since when are basic civil rights subject to the personal whims of the voting masses?

    Why has the GLBT community basically rolled over and allowed this preposterous practice of having its rights voted upon?

    Posted by: jason | Oct 28, 2012 5:50:47 PM


  13. "Ok seriously though about DADT...Paul Ryan even admitted that it's too late to go back on it because soldiers are already out of the closet. So please shutup about that. The issue is settled."

    Stop kidding yourself. "Admitted" is a loaded word, for one thing. Nothing is ever "settled" with these people. They want to roll back the New Deal and progressive taxation for chrissakes. It would take me all of 5 minutes - WHICH I'M NOT GOING TO WASTE - to go find at least 3 right wing organizations agitating for the return of DADT. Do you really think Romney is going to say no to these people? As I've said before, he will "generously" give them the option of an honorable discharge. I remind you he will become "commander in chief".


    Posted by: EchtKultig | Oct 28, 2012 7:47:26 PM


  14. If liberals are frauds when it comes to gay rights, then you are a psychotic who needs a dose of thorazine that would put the rest of us in a coma for a week. Care to back up your attempt at an assertion? Have some secret research that shows conservative republicans are really the ones voting "no" on gay marriage banning referendums? Let me guess - it was really church and evangelical leaders who created the notion of gay rights in the early 20th century right? The Mattachine Society was secretly being funded by Father Charles Coughlin?

    Posted by: EchtKultig | Oct 28, 2012 8:01:16 PM


  15. Not the one I was thinking of...there was another radio reverend who was 100% John Birch Society right-wing, unlike Coughlin's varying and sometimes ambiguous positions. Point is, your posts are patently absurd. Why do you even bother? Liberal are the enemies, right. That's why the DADT repeal was almost a party line vote with liberal democrats for and republicans against.


    Posted by: EchtKultig | Oct 28, 2012 8:05:37 PM


  16. Let's hope all the bigots forget to actually fill in that oval. I love that not putting an answer counts as a no!

    Posted by: R | Oct 28, 2012 8:18:27 PM


  17. Why is there always optimism on these ballot measures? 100% of the "undecided" will vote against equality, as will plenty of people who polled in favor it. This will pass by at least a 10% margin.

    Posted by: JT | Oct 28, 2012 8:29:34 PM


  18. Guys, please be more optimistic, people's views have changed over the years, let's hope this time it will be enough to win these races!

    Posted by: Anthony | Oct 28, 2012 8:38:35 PM


  19. We should not agree to these elections on our rights. In any case, if someone votes against our rights, their names and addresses ought to be published.

    Posted by: jason | Oct 28, 2012 8:52:37 PM


  20. Does everyone know that "yes" means "no" and "no" means "yes"?

    Posted by: Diogenes Arktos | Oct 28, 2012 8:58:01 PM


  21. we will definitely lose in Marland and Mimnesota, and the latest poll in Washinton shows the anti gay Side surging big. In Maine, old and rural demographics are against us. if I had to get money, I would bet we will lose all four. Our perfect losing record will reman.

    Posted by: Javier | Oct 28, 2012 10:29:06 PM


  22. @Jasonb: aren't you frustrated that despite your rantings on this site that more than 70% of LGBT people are going to vote their self interest and vote DEMOCRAT! DEMOCRAT!

    Posted by: andrew | Oct 28, 2012 11:22:41 PM


  23. Actually that new Washington poll underrepresented Democrats, Javier, and polled primarily in Eastern Washington. Even the hate side in Washington admits they're behind in the state.

    Anthony, I am optimistic but also realistic. The reality is, we could very well lose all four. I don't think we will, but we're a minority group, and straight people outside of our allies and friends of our allies don't care about gay rights or are against us. We're going to always be in a hard fight when it comes to ballot initiatives. People in the majority tend to skew against the minority out of insecurity of their own identities and place in the world.

    And I'm not going to bother responding to Jason's drivel.

    Posted by: Francis | Oct 28, 2012 11:52:46 PM


  24. I voted yes and I pray it gets passed for the sake of my future children.

    Posted by: MG | Nov 1, 2012 9:57:26 PM


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