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  1. AJ says

    He’s actually a pretty good actor. Has anyone seen “Monster’s Ball”? I’m intrigued.

  2. RONTEX says

    haha, “Don’t put your hand on my face!”… “OK, you can put your hand on my face”. Maybe Diddy does have time for that

  3. Rick says

    And so another gem of a series will be ruined by a desire for political correctness. The creators decided to add a non-white character because of complaints about the show being too “white”.

    Never mind that in the historical period and place the series is set in, there would have been no non-white people….and the all-white cast was simply a reflection of that historical reality…..

    No, no, all that whiteness just will not do in 2013, so let’s destroy the historical accuracy and realism by introducing a non-white character and pretending that he is authentic…..

    Pathetic, but totally predictable…..

  4. sean says

    Totally agree with Rick, and I’m not even white (I’m Korean). The first thing I’d say is “wait – why is that person there?” Because anyone with even a mild sense of history would know that during that time period, it simply wouldn’t happen.

    Next up – King Arthur & The Knights of the Round Table, starring Tyler Perry and Chris Brown.

  5. nefter says

    OMG Rick! STFU!! Josephine Baker ( you may have heard of her? she was black) Highest paid performer in Europe in the 20’s..JAZZ was HUGE…
    The only thing pathetic and predictable is YOU!

  6. mickyflip says

    Actually, to be fair Rick. They’ve already done it for the series Merlin when it first was aired 6 years ago. Queen Guinevere and her brother are of African heritage (granted they’re just actors for the role) but I didn’t think it took away from the story. In fact, I personally felt it was brilliant and added a new dimension to the show. And, of course, the legend of Merlin and the Knights of the Round Table is an Anglo-Saxon fable. I’ll be sad to see it go once the final episodes these Friday nights.

    Unfortunately, I’ve never seen an episode yet of Downtown Abbey. Something which I still have to put on my list to watch. I’m sure Sean Combs is more than adequate to fit in the series considering the writers are definitely top-notch.

  7. nefter says

    @ Mickyflip, Not similar at all! If you haven’t watched the show than don’t comment.
    The last episode introduces London Nightlife not terribly far from Paris that was absolutely swimming with JAZZ musicians in that era! It makes absolute sense to bring it home!The possibilities for Juicy scandal and priceless comments for the dowager are endless!

  8. mickyflip says

    @nefter Good point. And I did post I never watched the series. My point was there’s no difference whatever the nationality of the actors that the writer’s can’t incorporate their characters into the plot of whatever series. If it works, it works. You, however, bring up a great point regarding the “Jazz musicians” which is absolutely valid. And I know who Josephine Baker is considering I’m a fan of hers. (Great biopic with Lynn Whitfield.) The times are a changing.

  9. nefter says

    @ Mickyflip, sorry if I was harsh. But really my point is, The Merlin casting and the Downton Abby character are completely different cases. Merlin was ” Disney” casting( Ex: I saw Taylor Dane play the queen of Egypt in Aida on Broadway) A black character visiting Downtown is absolutely plausible and historically accurate. What happens when he gets there is any ones guess. I’m betting he has a romantic entanglement with the Little blonde cousin they had drag out of the dance hall last season.

  10. mickyflip says

    @nefter It’s all good. It just shows me your passionate about the show which is a good thing. I’m pretty passionate about my shows as well. And it sounds like I definitely need to watch this now. Thanks for tuning me in. 😉

  11. mickyflip says

    @nefter It’s all good. It just shows me your passionate about the show which is a good thing. I’m pretty passionate about my shows as well. And it sounds like I definitely need to watch this now. Thanks for tuning me in. 😉

  12. Rrhain says

    Whether or not a black character being present would be historically accurate very much depends upon what the character is doing. Despite the fact that the British class system was heavily segregated based on race, that does not mean there was absolutely no mingling of black and white people at any class level.

    There were black servants that served white people. Let us not forget that Britain also engaged in slavery. Though they abandoned it before we did, there were still plenty of black people in Great Britain. They were involved in the military in World War I and since the show has passed that milestone (they are currently at 1920), the presence of a black character, in and of itself, is not anachronistic or “political correctness.”

  13. sean says

    Rrhain – you’re reaching. You’re reaching really, really far.

    While the typical queens are hysterical about Rick’s comment, the fact remains that he’s totally correct.

  14. nefter says

    So Sean are you racist and a self hating homophobe, or just racist? “typical Queens” REALLY? He’s wrong, your wrong…Your “mild sense of history” is evidenced by your ignorance.

  15. nefter says

    So Sean are you racist and a self hating homophobe, or just racist? “typical Queens” REALLY? He’s wrong, your wrong…Your “mild sense of history” is evidenced by your ignorance.

  16. MateoM says

    Rick and Sean, get a room. Be sure to get one with white sheets on the bed. Just in case you both forget your Klan robes.

    Seriously, why is it that every self-loathing gay commenter on Towleroad is also racist? Who are these rotten trolls trying to appease with their ignorance?

  17. MateoM says

    Rick and Sean, get a room. Be sure to get one with white sheets on the bed. Just in case you both forget your Klan robes.

    Seriously, why is it that every self-loathing gay commenter on Towleroad is also racist? Who are these rotten trolls trying to appease with their ignorance?

  18. silverbullet says

    Well.. there were blacks in the uk in music and arts back then as well… samuel coleridge-taylor as an example.

  19. Ray says

    Thank you Nefter!~ Ignorance abounds. The same folks complaining have grandparents who are probably complaining that there is a gay person on the show. When everyone knows gay started in the 60’s.

    Of course there were affluent “interesting” black people who mingled with this set. There was more than one or two countesses & Lords who brought people from all over the world to meet their set.

    All that aside. This is FICTION! The writer, actors, director are creating a world and telling a very personal story. That story can be told anyway they choose to tell it.

    Where was the hue and cry when one of the ladies married an Irish driver for god’s sake.

    Have you ever stopped to consider the reason you don’t know about the mixing of people and cultures is due to your somewhat blinkered education?

    Stop being silly, reductionist queens.

    Sean’s video is a joke and Downton is just a lovely fictional TV SHOW!

  20. MDB says

    Some are you are extremely strange and don’t know your history.

    Black folks have been in England for literally hundreds of years even BEFORE slavery.

    Learn some British history.

    You guys scream AMERICAN.

  21. Gerard says

    Are you guys serious? All this debate about historical accuracy brought on by a PARODY of a tv show. Is white culture so precious that you can’t just laugh at this moment?

    Also, the new season hasn’t even arrived and your fearing the presence of a darker skinned cast member of the show? You have no idea how the character is introduced or their context but you’re already deriding their existence. As an African American who has watched every episode of Downton – may Matthew rest in peace – I’m embarrassed by and for you.

  22. Rrhain says

    @brandon: Nobody here thinks Mr. Combs is going to be on Downton Abbey.

    That said, the new season of Downton Abbey is going to have a black character: Jack Ross (played by Gary Carr) is a jazz singer who visits.

  23. Gabe R L says

    I have to admit that I was surprises when I heard about the black character, not out of displeasure, but just wondering how he would be used in such a setting. And i have to agree with a different poster that where were peoples indignation about accuracy when one of the earl’s daughters married an Irish chauffeur? That really shocked me, but there was no talk about it on the internet, at least from what I saw.

  24. Gabe R L says

    And it does have to be said that while there have been blacks in England for centuries they were rarely seen in such an elevated milieu that the Granthams inhabit unless they were servants, so this should be interesting.