1. Saturnalia says

    Well, you should tought about it before you started insluting and demeaning the majority of Croatians, Josipovic. Now that referendum has shown that people oppose EU and your party trying to present them as backward, you think you can get away with just a silly thing like this please do not cause further division? Just wait next elections.

    And In the name of family – which won the right of people to have a say about their country – is not jsut religious people and Towleroad please stop spouting nonsense.

  2. Hey Darlin' says

    This is the first step, one not so far removed from America’s own very recent past.

    It does however serve to urge the population in support of equality to band together and move against those who wish to eliminate equality. Future divisions are necessary and why wouldn’t someone fight for their freedom?

  3. Anastasia Beaverhousen says

    “I really hope that denying and devaluing the lives of other people won’t cause dissension or a huge rift in our society. DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.”


  4. Anastasia Beaverhousen says

    “I really hope that denying and devaluing the lives of other people won’t cause dissension or a huge rift in our society. DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.”


  5. Gerry says

    Two steps forward, a small step back. We’re still trudging through in the USA… just listen to the wingnuts on TV spreading hate here… fortunately more and more they are seen as idiots…

  6. renovato says

    This is a backward step for Croatia.

    A few things to think about, only 37% of those entitled to vote came to the polls! and of those 1/3 of voted against enshrining discrimination in their constitution.
    So 2/3 of just over 1/3 of the population voted for discrimination. Doesn’t alter the result, but might put a different view on it.
    Over 60% of the Croatian people did not feel strongly enough about the issue to go to the polls.

  7. renovato says

    It is now only a matter of time for the allegations of abuse by the catholic cult to become public.
    Its hardly possible given the pervasive and endemic abuse in other countries by this vile institution, that Croatia has escaped this despicable abusive behaviour.

  8. Derrick from Philly says

    “Gay Creotians” Oh, my…my spelling

    I meant Gay Croations. Gay Creotians haven’t arrived on their space ships yet….but it won’t be long.

  9. says

    Croatia is not going to be expelled from the EU over this. But, having joined the EU, there will be pressure on them to make progress on partnership rights for same-sex couples. The results of yesterday’s vote and who turned out to vote were not surprising: Catholics were relentlessly pressured in every church to get out and vote and the anti-gay “In the Name of the Family” is a Catholic mouthpiece. Those who came out to vote against the referendum had to care enough to do so. The fact that it was a relatively low turnout signals apathy, which is also not surprising. It’s easier to be negative or apathetic than to be proactively pro-gay, especially when it comes to voting.

    Croatia has made progress and the peaceful, crowded pro-gay in march in advance of the vote (which I was at) was a huge leap forward from Pride Marches of 10 years ago when thugs shouted violent threats at the participants. None of that on Saturday. Same for a pro-gay rock concert on the main square Friday night.

    Of course anyone is free to boycott Croatia because they are behind much of the EU, but they aren’t really behind 50% or more of the US states, so if you’re going to say that it’s a “bigoted dump” make sure that your definition also covers half of our own country. It will be interesting to see where they go from here, but it’s likely it will be forward, though perhaps not in a, no pun intended, straight line.

    If you want to go to pro-gay Croatia, visit Istria! It’s beautiful and they voted against the referendum.

  10. says

    Pay no attention to Saturnalia. For some reason he’s anti-gay and posting on Towleroad about Central & Eastern Europe.

    Yes, Croatia took a step backwards, and if a progressive politician points out that a vote “for” this referendum was a vote against tolerance and a symbolic move backwards, he was right, even if no existing law was changed. It showed the power of the dumb majority (which often wins in the US as well: exhibit A – Bush 2, twice president) and the Catholic Church, which blasted its message from every pulpit even on the day of the referendum.

    Unfortunately Croatian nationality is tied to the church. But there were many sad Croatians today, many who put up a variation on the Croatian flag with a swastika on it in response. They don’t want to go back to the fascist years (and yes, NDH Croatia was a Fascist state, and it still has its sympathizers, including among football fans). Whole regions are mostly progressive, and Zagreb is split about 50-50. So it’s not all bad.

    There is zero chance that Croatia will be ousted from the EU over this — it puts Croatia in a position like Hungary, with a constitution that defines marriage as man + woman, but at the same time a law that recognizes same sex couples. The situation in some US states (CA after Prop 8) has been similar. Unless you want to stop vacationing in CA, where a majority voted in exactly the same thing, there’s no reason to boycott Croatia.

    Time will tell how Markić and her gang try to spin their victory and leverage it into other things like banning adoptions by gay couples (not yet proposed) or abortion (for all). Time will also reveal what the new “life partnership” law for gay couples will look like. Meanwhile, we should support the many Croatians who voted on the right side of history.

  11. RonCharles says

    This is just a temporary setback for human rights, as happened in California here in the US. In time, this referendum, sponsored, backed and paid for by the Catholic Church, will be overturned. The more closely Croatia becomes integrated into the EU, the sooner that day will come.

  12. Artie_in_Lauderdale says

    What happened in Croatia is very similar to what happened by way of Amendment 1 in North Carolina in May, 2012: 61% against marriage equality, 34% in favor of marriage equality. Those numbers will soon flip, both in North Carolina and Croatia.

  13. woody says

    Gay marriage is banned in several EU countries: Poland, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Latvia.
    Croatia isn’t the first.
    This should be seen as a real problem for the EU, but the union has been avoiding tackling it for years. A couple that’s married in France isn’t married in Poland. That’s a problem for EU citizens just as it’s a problem in the US, but the EU seems to be letting new member states be as bigoted as they like and retain their membership.

  14. keating says

    The EU is pretty spineless about these kind of referenda. And for all the people who equate a whole country like Croatia enshrining anti-gay laws on their books as being the same as the U.S.: no it isn’t. The U.S. has made great progress at the federal level, it’s the states that lag behind. Isn’t equivalent.

  15. says

    The argument isn’t that Croatia is the same as the entire U.S. For one thing, it’s the size of a state and has a largely homogeneous population. (Though federal progress in the U.S. is very recent and largely due to the Supreme Court DOMA decision. Republican calls for a federal constitutional amendment are hardly in the distant past.) The argument is that the attitudes in Croatia that produced the vote result aren’t so different (in fact they’re quite similar) to the attitudes that produced the NC vote result and the Prop 8 result a few short years ago. The same attitudes that voted in constitutional bans in many U.S. states.

    So knee-jerk reactions about ousting Croatia from the EU (which isn’t going to happen) and labeling it as a backwater are simplistic at best, unless you also give a large number of U.S. states an equivalent label.

  16. Victor says

    I think the reason EU has been spineless about it was because UK and France until recently have not allowed marriage, and Germany has still not equalized it. (Wouldn’t it be hypocritical to demand full equality of others?) But now that UK and France have marriage equality, while Germany is likely to move along on the road to it, there may be a lot more movement on that front.

  17. Saturnalia says

    Oh yes KEVINVT please do not pay the attention to me, please!

    Well we will see how law obiding that progresive politician is, because use of fascistisc and nazi symbols is not permitted by Croatian law.

    Yesterday Croatia won.

    Should you not be more concerned withtthe fact that your own countries can not handle homosexual exposure? Poor Tom Daley is getting so much hate. Who would thought that this could happen in gay adoring USA and UK?

    Homosexual activists should realy get a good look at their own countries and leave us – what was it backward countries to deal with our own issues.

    Chill out and go see a movie. There is a couple of good gay ones. I did not see review for any on this site though. DO you need a recomendation?

  18. RexT says

    So unfortunate to watch Croatia, new member State of the EU, legislating in much the same manner as many of the United States. Religious ‘groups’ with money and power enshrining discrimination into their Constitution, very popular here. NOM (catholic to the core) – and other groups encouraging their efforts. ‘Fathers’ preaching from every pulpit sending their flock to the ballot box.

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