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  1. Rick says

    Without even watching the video, I can answer the question. Gay guys are obsessed with straight guys because they have internalized the idea that heterosexuality and masculinity are synonomous and that homosexuality and masculinity are incompatible and mutually exclusive.

    This is why effeminate gay men refuse to acknowledge even the POSSIBILITY that a gay man can be as masculine as a straight man–and why they routinely attack (verbally) any one that is (on this blog and others like it)….it is just too threatening an idea to them because it implies (rightly) that their own effeminacy is not caused by homosexuality (it isn’t), but is simply a reflection of their own low self-esteem.

    And the only solution to all of this is for gay men to eradicate the culture of effeminacy and decide to become men like other men.

    Plain as day.

  2. Jack M says

    Men are men, whether they are straight or gay. So if you’re gay, you’re attracted to both. And last time I checked, there are more straight guys than gay guys, so do the math.

  3. Stan D says

    I agree with Rick on this one. I accepted who I was after I got out of the Army in 1972 and shared this with my family in 1975 ( not as easy a thing to do then as now ). I was always baffled by the drag culture and could never understand the appeal. I’m not disparaging those who are into that culture ( we have them to thank for Stonewall ), but there are many who are not into that. While lack of self esteem is unfortunately all to common ( there wouldn’t be as many suicides as there are were this not so ), I also acknowledge that it may also be a self identifying form of protest to counter the repression forced upon our community for so long. This may have been best personified by Quentin Crisp.
    I believe we’re seeing a cultural shift where fewer gays are identifying with that culture at the same time as the general public is embracing our person-hood and the rights that go with it.

  4. Stan D says

    I agree with Rick on this one. I accepted who I was after I got out of the Army in 1972 and shared this with my family in 1975 ( not as easy a thing to do then as now ). I was always baffled by the drag culture and could never understand the appeal. I’m not disparaging those who are into that culture ( we have them to thank for Stonewall ), but there are many who are not into that. While lack of self esteem is unfortunately all to common ( there wouldn’t be as many suicides as there are were this not so ), I also acknowledge that it may also be a self identifying form of protest to counter the repression forced upon our community for so long. This may have been best personified by Quentin Crisp.
    I believe we’re seeing a cultural shift where fewer gays are identifying with that culture at the same time as the general public is embracing our person-hood and the rights that go with it.

  5. disgusted american says

    ahhh – the things that come with age – like Maturity..and not caring about the Material BS stuff…..

  6. Hrm says

    And just like clockwork, Rick overthinks it. At the end of the day, I like guys who look good, and some are straight, and some are gay. So what? I don’t hate myself, and I’m perfectly capable of preferring one type of guy over another. There’s nothing wrong with it, and I frankly don’t owe anyone a damned explanation as to who I want to bang.

  7. Steve Talbert says

    Most gay guys I know (actually all) are NOT interested in straight guys. Unless they are particularly physically attracted to the guy to want to look at him, it’s the same as being interested in an attractive woman.

    There are some gay guys who have very negative feelings about being gay and get some sort of power feeling or something from trying to “convert” a straight guy or want to be a straight guy. Maybe there are the opposite of a fag hag? It’s not typical, but they do exist.

    Anyway, any straight guy who would have sex with them are bi, not straight, and most bi guys are VERY BAD at sex. (from a long history of mixed clubs and groups).

  8. Charles says

    Gay men are obsessed with men, it just so happens that most men in the world are heterosexual.

    THIS!

  9. art says

    Rick, you seem like the type the is alway trying to prove how macho he is….The I’m gay but not the type of gay…. There is no worse type of homophobia.

  10. jaker says

    “forbidden fruit”. really that simple.

    these stupid items about davey, miley and justin. they’re crap on a cracker.

  11. Rick D. says

    Can you possibly just enjoy the good fun of the clip?

    God I hope I don’t turn as bitter as you guys when I get old and fat.

  12. MARCUS BACHMANN says

    Fetishism of heterosexual males by gay men is nothing more than internalized homophobia. Stick a fork in it.

  13. Ben Nevis says

    I myself am obsessed with MEN. Just men. What’s that terrific quote from Tennessee Williams about love and straight and cured lines?

  14. Rational says

    Compared to other postings Davey Wavey is looking tired… as if his ‘best when used by’ date is two hours from now. Smart ‘reporters’ don’t do comparative ‘news’ like this unless their example is less ‘fresh’ looking than themselves. Davey’s still looking good…but a tired good… which isn’t quite good enough.

  15. says

    I dunno – I’ve been Out since i was a teenager. My social circles of gay males tend to be other secure, empowered, confident openly-gay guys. Guys who long since stopped caring “what the Straights Think” and don’t even care about cultural perceptions of “masc” or “fem” – baseless societal concepts that really only take up space in the minds of those who still cling to insecurities.

    The “RICKs” of the world are, of course, wrong. As proof – their inability to stand up to be counted. Why do these self-described “totally just as masculine as straight men” gays only ever make their comments from a place of anonymity? Because internet anonymity is the last refuge of cowards.

    “I can’t stand you effeminate gays!”, screams the coward from the Closet, using the internet as a burqa.

    I’m a gay man. I’m into other gay men. That’s what being gay is. My straight buddies are freakin’ awesome. They were the guys that came with me to my first gay bars when I was younger and didn’t know very many other gay guys yet. They continue to support, by joining my family and I in the pride parades each year, marching as allies. But I’m not obsessed with them, nor do I harbor crushes and infatuations; why would I? I’m gay. There’s a whole world of gay men out there for me! :)

    There is, of course, no such thing as a “culture of effeminacy” – there are only gay people who live their life on their own terms, and insecure wimps like Rick who are angry that openly-gay people don’t live their lives on *his* terms. He’s stupid, but he’ll die. So it’s ok.

    http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2012/06/straight-is-not-compliment.html

    My take :)

    As for any commenters who “loathe” perceived-effeminacy: if you can’t make your comments from a place of anonymity, you only prove me right. and you always will.

  16. Derrick Jamal D'Enchantra says

    Without even watching the video, I can answer the question: We aren’t. It’s a myth. One that only queer doofuses like Davey Wavey perpetuate.

    I don’t give a damn about straight men. I only care about men who like cock. And straight men only like their own cocks. So spare us all the lustful conversion stories. We ain’t buying it.

  17. Daniel says

    Seems to me, watching the news etc. it is the other way around. Straight guy’s seem obsessed with us.

  18. Felix says

    Thank you Andy for the bait post. Between troll Rick and “Davey Wavey” Towleroad has became such a great experience.

  19. Derrick from Philly says

    @ “Rick, you seem like the type the is alway trying to prove how macho he is….”

    That’s true, Art…EXCEPT after midnight when Rick becomes ENCHANTRA!!! Then it’s all about make-up, wigs, falsies and enemas.

    Oh, and ENCHANTRA likes Straight guys too…if “she” has enough money to pay for them. You see Rick…I mean, ENCHANTRA is 55 years old. She can’t get them like she used to. You know, it’s like “The Roman Spring of Mrs Stone” or ENCHANTRA!!!!!

  20. Rick says

    “Without even watching the video, I can answer the question: We aren’t. It’s a myth”

    What a joke. Every man presented on this blog and others like it as a sex symbol is straight. And masculine. You don’t ever–nor will you ever–see some prissy queen held up as a sex symbol. For a reason.

    And you virtually never see masculine gay men presented as sex symbols. For a reason.

    I realize that many of you have been programmed to give the politically correct response to every question raised–you want to put on the “right” face for straight society and not wash our dirty laundry in public because you think that hurts our image.

    Well, guess what? Lying accomplishes nothing, least of all when we are just discussing matters in a gay forum amongst ourselves, with the larger society not paying attention.

    Of course, being honest would force you all to face the REAL issues about yourselves and about gay life–which you routinely sweep under the rug because they are too painful to deal with.

    But they won’t go away until they are dealt with successfully. I promise you that.

    The truth is that gay men generally have a very low opinion of themselves and each other because they have not overcome the internalization of straight society’s verdict on them as being less than “real men”….and that is where ALL our problems stem from.

  21. Kyle says

    Please no more Davey posts, Andy. He’s annoying and self-absorbed, and I honestly don’t think he adds depth to any relevant conversation gay men are having now. I stopped visiting other gay news blogs like Queerty simply because they constantly posted his tired videos– I don’t want to lose Towle Road too!

  22. Rick says

    “That’s true, Art…EXCEPT after midnight when Rick becomes ENCHANTRA!!! Then it’s all about make-up, wigs, falsies and enemas”

    And as though on cue, Derrick demonstrates precisely the point I made in my original comment–namely, that effeminate gay men cannot bear to acknowledge even the POSSIBILITY that a gay man could be truly masculine…..instead, any that are are assumed to be pretending and trying to cover up their inherent UN-masculinity (i.e. inferiority to straight men).

    Yep.

    And the comment above bearing my name that begins with “Davey Wavey is one queer…..” is not from me, the real Rick, obviously. The other comments up to this point that bear my name are from me, the real Rick

  23. Mike in the Tundra says

    I agree with the commenters who say we just like men. I like looking at men, and it doesn’t matter if they’re gay or straight. if I want to do more than look, I go to gay men.

    We all know that Rick is a closeted flamer.

  24. says

    How can we know, Cowardly Troll? you anonymous wimp 😀

    i know plenty of gay men deemed to be “masculine” – and none of them have a problem with perceived-to-be-“fem” guys.

    i can show who i am, because i’m not a coward. i’m too arrogant to worry about what straight people think.

    you? you’re a eunuch.

    will you ever be able to do what I do, and show who you are? No. Never. You’ll be a coward til the day you die. 😀 And everyone knows it. :)

    http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2012/06/straight-is-not-compliment.html

  25. Zlick says

    1) I hate Davey Wavey.
    2) I don’t think a single person who’s commented has watched this video. It’s a sweet bit of comedy that barely implies gay guys crushing on straight guys, but cutely demonstrates that, d’uh, straight guys can be really hot.

    I don’t mind the endless discussions of Rick vs. the World, or even using some post here as a jumping off point for a broader discussion of the topic … which too often devolves to Rick vs. the World. But, and I may be wrong, it seems to me the discussion has zero relation to the video, and relates only to the perceived topic from the headline.

    (Though I can’t exactly blame anyone for not watching a Davey Wavey video.)

  26. Donny says

    @RICK:

    “…and decide to become men like other men.”

    And what are “men”, Rick? You like to think you are an intellectual with regard to homosexuality but you haven’t a clue. Being effeminite may not be caused by homosexuality. After all, there are effeminite straight men, right? But where is your imperical data/evidence that it is caused by low self-esteem.

  27. says

    @DONNY – the low self-esteem is only inside RICK. He’s a closeted grown adult who screams angrily about “effeminacy” from a place of complete anonymity. Why? He’s too insecure as a gay man to put a face to his words. Guys like him are textbook. The good news? Openly-gay men will never have to interact with them! Guys like Rick don’t have social lives, or friends, or any gay men to call their buddy. All they have is the internet, from which they type out their impotent fury about a life that has passed them by. 😀

  28. JonnyNYNY2FLFL says

    I can appreciate male beauty, straight or gay. However, I have no sexual interest in anyone not interested in me. The thought of seducing a truly straight guy is perverted.

  29. Rick says

    “And what are “men”, Rick?”

    If you and other gay men did not already know the answer to that question, you would not lust after masculine straight men the way you do.

    “You like to think you are an intellectual with regard to homosexuality but you haven’t a clue. Being effeminite may not be caused by homosexuality. After all, there are effeminite straight men, right?”

    Not really. Very, very rarely does one encounter a straight man who displays the kind if effeminate mannerisms that characterize the behavior of so many gay men. Some straight men are soft-spoken and/or darkish and or dweebish, but all those things are different from deliberate trying to behave like a woman, which so many gay men unfortunately do.

    “But where is your imperical data/evidence that it is caused by low self-esteem”

    It is pretty well-documented that a high percentage of gay men suffer from self-esteem problems and even if it were not, the extremely high rates of self-destructive behaviors I mentioned in another comment above would attest to it.

    Not everything can be “proven” however–suffice it to say that deliberately abandoning the way a man naturally behaves in favor of mimicking the way women behave is driven–obviously–by the sense that one’s sexuality makes one inherently unmasculine….and the fact that this is an indicator of low self-esteem is underscored by the fact that these very same individuals have a strong sexual preference for the most masculine of men.

    The logical argument is there–you just have to be rational to see it….

  30. Knock says

    “There is, of course, no such thing as a ‘culture of effeminacy’ – there are only gay people who live their life on their own terms,…” – LittleKiwi

    Ironically, you are quite vocal in refusing to let some gay men live their lives on their own terms because they do not match yours.

    You frequently bully and badger posters here who don’t relate or identify with your concept or experience of what it means to be gay, calling them homophobes (which in itself means you think certain behaviours or traits, *beyond* same-sex attraction, are innately homosexual, so anyone not displaying those traits must be acting or lying), self-hating, cowards, insecure, closeted, or trolls. (And you delight in it, as bullies do.)

    Yet you wonder why few of these atypical gay men bother to speak out. It’s because bullies like you are always there to shout down any gay man who describes himself as masculine or other terms that deviate from what has become a stereotype of acceptable gay behaviour. (Hell, I’ve seen you do it to posters who say they don’t like Madonna, as if that has anything to do with liking cock.)

    A quick survey of your comments here and blog posts shows who is really insecure when it comes to “masculine” gay men, with your nit-picking analyses of text messages and dating profiles. How dare anyone have preferences that don’t include – and validate – you!

  31. Rick says

    “The thought of seducing a truly straight guy is perverted”

    Not sure what you mean by “truly straight”, but I have “seduced” at least 3 men in my life who had never had sex with another guy–or sought it out–until I came on to them.

    I guess you could argue that they were “bi” to begin with, but according to Kinsey and others, most people are “bi” to at least some degree….which is another thing that is so threatening to hard-core effeminate gays……and which perhaps explains your “perverted” comment.

  32. MB says

    It’s sorta comical to me how sexism is so rampant into our community, to the point of making gay men spin theories to the extreme just to hide from anything that is feminine. The concept of masculinity has proven to be very cruel even for straight guys, there’s no real way to define it, there’s no real way to achieve it and the hate generated in the process is so intense that the only thing I can feel about man who still believe in it is pity.

    Feminine doesn’t mean less, stop shooting yourselves on the feet gays.

  33. Rick says

    “It’s sorta comical to me how sexism is so rampant into our community, to the point of making gay men spin theories to the extreme just to hide from anything that is feminine.”

    Nobody is hiding from anything. Men and women are different for lots of reasons, most of them rooted in biology. It is not that “femininity” is bad–it is just unnatural for a man, regardless of sexual orientation.

    “The concept of masculinity has proven to be very cruel even for straight guys, there’s no real way to define it, there’s no real way to achieve it and the hate generated in the process is so intense that the only thing I can feel about man who still believe in it is pity.”

    Masculinity is neither a “concept”, nor a “belief”, nor something to be “achieved”. It is a consequence of nature. If that were not the case, then it would not be manifest in EVERY human society that has ever existed in history. It has different expressions in different cultures, but is universal. As is femininity among women, also a consequence of nature.

    And all your attempts to fight nature will prove futile…..BECAUSE it is NATURE. You will only make yourself into a pariah by trying to contradict nature, as effeminate gay men have done….again, in EVERY human society in the history of our species.

  34. Not That Rob says

    Masculine and feminine are social constructs period. To argue it’s nature is total BS.

  35. Derrick from Philly says

    @ “You frequently bully and badger posters here who don’t relate or identify with your concept or experience of what it means to be gay,…”

    Always distortions or half truths.

    How many times have you seen SELF-ACKNOWLEDGED effeminate Gay men try to bully “traditonally masculine” Gay men into changing their behavior? Very rare–almost never. But I’ve seen (and felt) it happen the other way round many times. (I thank God that I didn’t give a sh.t what y’all thought of me. Nothin’ in it for me)

    But you come to this blog to criticize and even insult Gay men who (whom) you feel don’t behave in a masculine way.

    Who’s the f.ckin’ bully?

    And you know damn well why I now mention “Enchantra”. You invented her. Yep, you killed off David Hearne and invented Enchantra and Asam and Sam and Don and Litper and now, Knock. And probably “Perry” too.

    I hate to admit it, but I’d love to know what’s driving the obsession you hve with creating all these…well, creations.

  36. qj201 says

    Rick. Learn the difference between effeminacy and queeniness. They are not one in the same.

    I refuse to pass some “masculinity litmus test” from some self hating queer.

    And why are so many “masculine men” such pussy bottoms? Can you explain that rick?

  37. steve says

    If straight women really knew how much gay sex is going on with their straight boyfriends or husbands they would be astonished…… I know cause I go after them and succeed a lot………

  38. Donny says

    @RICK:

    First, I apologize for the spelling and grammtical errors in my initial reply to you. I am aware of them.

    “If you and other gay men did not already know the answer to that question, you would not lust after masculine straight men the way you do.”

    You did not answer the question. You dodged it because you’re not able to answer it. Instead, you claim that I lust after masculine straight men when you don’t know me and I never made any such claim.

    I am gay; therefore, I am attracted to men. Since I will not be sleeping with 99.999999% (you get the point) of them, their sexual orientation is irrelevant to me. Also, 90% or more of men are, or identify as, straight. Lusting after one is a likely occurance, no?

    “Not really. Very, very rarely does one encounter a straight man who displays the kind if effeminate mannerisms that characterize the behavior of so many gay men. Some straight men are soft-spoken and/or darkish and or dweebish, but all those things are different from deliberate trying to behave like a woman, which so many gay men unfortunately do.”

    I disagree. There are plenty of straight men with effeminate characteristics. But that’s a matter of opinion. I most take issue with your stance that “…deliberate trying to behave like a woman, which so many gay men unfortunately do.” It’s not “so many”, it’s that those are the ones who stand out because of societal gender roles. They are the ones you notice. There are millions of gay men who you would never know are gay unless they were to tell you. That number is much higher than the effeminate gay men you seem encounter.

    “It is pretty well-documented that a high percentage of gay men suffer from self-esteem problems and even if it were not, the extremely high rates of self-destructive behaviors I mentioned in another comment above would attest to it.”

    There are reasons for that and you know it. But that has nothing to do with the effeminate argument. There are plenty of masculine gay men with self-esteem and self-destructive behavior issues. So what’s your point?

    I would argue views and acceptance toward homosexuality are improving, especially among the youth. They are coming out earlier than ever and are not ashamed. They are confident, successful and proud (in other words their homosexuality is not a factor in their level of self-esteem).

    “Not everything can be “proven” however–suffice it to say that deliberately abandoning the way a man naturally behaves in favor of mimicking the way women behave is driven–obviously–by the sense that one’s sexuality makes one inherently unmasculine….and the fact that this is an indicator of low self-esteem is underscored by the fact that these very same individuals have a strong sexual preference for the most masculine of men.”

    For some, maybe. Not all, not even most. As I pointed out, extremely effiminate gay men are at best a subculture. That’s what you’re not getting. You’re looking at those that are effiminate, flamboyant and likely media portrayals to provide evidence of your assertions. What a joke. That’s not real life.

  39. MB says

    You consider femininity unnatural in a man because you were taught that. There’s nothing universal or natural about masculinity, it’s an ideal, which is considered best for some gay man because they believe it will separate them from the aforementioned femininity, which they believe is less. When you use the word unnatural it denotes how you think of it as less, which is sad, how many times this word has been used against our community?!?
    It’s all about sexism, really.

  40. says

    Hey “Knock” – I call your bluff 😀 Let’s see *you*, sugar!

    Oh right. You won’t show yourself, not because yuo’re an insecure self-hating gay man but because yuo’re scared of “being bullied by Little Kiwi” 😉 YAY! I’m powerful!

    You don’t fool me :) I’ve never met a mean-spirited or “fem”-hating “masculine gay man” – the guys i know who may be deeded by folks to be “masculine” are far too secure and confident in themselves to take any issue whatsoever with someone else that folks may deem to be “fem”

    to re-paraphrase the Bard, “Your false won’t o’erweigh my true”

    I do love your complete use of strawman “arguments” against me, however. Why not do what I do? Blog – show yourself, and this “opposing argument” (which, btw, is funny – you’re arguing against somethign i’ve in fact never said or done. :)

    show me up, prove me wrong. haha, you won’t. your kind never will.

  41. LOL!!! says

    “Lots of straight guys are better looking than most gays…Just a fact….” Posted by: Ankerich

    Are you kidding me?! You seriously need to get out more. Damn, I’m not even mad at that dumb ass comment. I just feel sorry for you.

    “If straight women really knew how much gay sex is going on with their straight boyfriends or husbands they would be astonished…… I know cause I go after them and succeed a lot………” Posted by: steve

    Hate to break it to you, but those straight guys are anything but that. No real 100% straight guy is going to appreciate a guy guy going after him. Just like I’m sure you wouldn’t appreciate some crazy woman going after you. I know I wouldn’t.

  42. DrunkEnough says

    What a lame excuse to get some guy to take off his shirt for clicks, and how lame of Towleroad for promoting this waste of everyone’s time. Davy Wavy has no wit, no talent, and NOTHING TO SAY.

  43. anon says

    Too many comments!! I don’t know what form this obsession is supposed to take. How does it play out?

  44. Rick says

    “sexism is so rampant into our community”

    “It’s all about sexism, really.”

    “Masculine and feminine are social constructs period. To argue it’s nature is total BS.”

    True to form. Just as you model your behavior on women, you take your ideological cues from them and spew forth anti-male, feminist rhetoric.

    You have become pseudo-women to such an extent–so devoid of any male identity–that you let women do your thinking for you and dictate your points-of-view to you.

    None of you will ever have any real self-respect or enjoy true happiness until you address that issue within yourselves……of which the lusting after straight men is but one symptom (to tie it all back to the original theme of the thread)

  45. Donny says

    @RICK:

    I realize you think you’re on to something. Some of your points may even have a grain of validity in some cases. But you consistently generalize. Why? Because of your own insecurities. It makes you feel better when you project. None of the quotes you addressed in your last post are feminist or anti-male. You twist them and take them out of context in order to further your own “rhetoric” and drivel. You’re not fooling anyone, including yourself.

  46. Jeff says

    Davy Wavy is fun and funny, and some find him sexy. I like the fact that a personality like him can be a hit on any venue or media outlet. He does get the hits and the views. I wonder if he makes any money on being a youtube hit?

    I didn’t watch the video, but I might later.

    I have worked around some guys who were hot beyond a 10. They appeared straight more often than not. But I’m open to the off chance that they are not.

  47. crispy says

    Can we convince that trophy hunter to kill Davy Wavy and leave the endangered black rhino alone?

  48. Eddie says

    I grew up with a cool military dad and three brothers. I’ve always loved my dad and loved my brothers, who happen to be straight. These guys were my friends. We grew up hanging out. We acted alike. I, however, was gay. So now, when I come out to people, they’re like, “I would have never guessed you’re gay.” That comment always makes me think about how that person perceives what ‘gay’ is. I dunno. This is who I am. I don’t know any other way, and would not condemn other gay people for being themselves, ’cause I am just being me.

  49. Rick says

    “And why are so many “masculine men” such pussy bottoms? Can you explain that rick? ”

    The very way you pose this question just demonstrates the extent to which you have internalized the idea that homosexual male = pseudo-woman.

    Here is an idea that may rock your world. Has it ever occurred to you that sex between two men is a uniquely masculine experience that has nothing whatsoever to do with women. That a gay man who bottoms might not think of his rectum as a vagina, but simply as a rectum and a source of pleasure and his reception of another guy’s penis as a way of creating a bond with him….and that the two individuals might reverse roles frequently…..with neither of them thinking of themselves as a pseudo-woman or thinking of their backsides as vaginas.

    Think about that really hard, if you will.

  50. Jason says

    This vlogger dude is an idiot when it comes to his either attempted bad jokes when picking “straight” guys, or his insanely inept identification. I’ve seen two video’s he did where he claimed to have a straight guy in the video and both have appeared anything but straight. The “straight” male stripper he had was about as straight as RuPaul.

  51. Don says

    WHY DO YOU KEEP POSTING VIDS BY THIS EGOTISTICAL INSULT TO THE GAY COMMUNITY? TALK ABOUT PERPETUATING STEREOTYPES.

  52. jaker says

    @not that rob. to say that masculinity/femininity are purely social constructs is patently absurd and divorced from reality. only ridiculous radical theorists talk that bunk.

    there’s of course variety in gender ezpression but it’s obviously genetic. femme gay men and butch lesbians are evidence. some social influence enforcing the differences but its clearly biological. just look also at the animal kingdom

    and see transgenders: they liked being feminine and doing feminine things very early on, bucking social pressure to do otherwise. and they were just kids.

    re: rick vs kiwi. rick goes way off the deep end with his obnoxious hostility towards femmes but kiwi really takes the prize with his monumental ego and bullying. even though i agree generally with him more.

  53. Just_a_guy says

    Hahahahahah. And yawn. Kiwi IS a little bit of a bully, even if he is mostly correct. And Rick made a slightly better showing than usual I think, maybe? Of course, Davey wavey just cares about clicks.

    Lil Kiwi, your out and public on a blog argument wears thin, doesn’t persuade more by repetition, and shouldn’t pass as a central argument.

    Rick, you seem to keep saying that gay guys should just embrace their masculinity more, and that’ll solve so much somehow. I’m all for all of us (kiwi-included) embracing our masculinities –even the FTMs out there. But what does embracing masculinity mean to YOU haha, and why is doing so supposedly so transformative? I’m not as convinced as you are that more than a small subgroup of gay men has taken so strongly to femininity. And I’m not sure why we should deny that of them if they like it. Also, how do you answer to the question about the struggles masc men face; aren’t you naive to imagine that masculinity solves very much?

  54. Jacob says

    I’ve ONLY been attracted to straight guys my entire life but I think that’s because of the society we live in. As a young gay man, all my friends have been straight, everyone in my high school was straight, there was not 1 openly gay kid so I had crushes on the straight guys, I had no other option, there was no one gay that I knew of and so now that I’m in my twenties I still don’t know anyone that is openly gay. I just don’t know any

  55. Knock says

    Derrick From Philly: I see it all the time online, and have for decades (weird to think the net’s been around for decades). “Masculine”, “straight-acting” et al offends a segment of the gay population, and their reaction only reinforces the separation self-idenitified masculine gay men already have from the gay community thanks to a lack of representation in gay symbols and the rejection of overt masculinity as just another form of drag.

    The rest of your reply seems to be directed to someone else.

    LittleKiwi: Argumentum ad hominem. Having a blog linked to your post here doesn’t add authority or validity to your bullying.

  56. Kemi Thorston says

    Excuse me, but by in large the most effeminate men around are straight guys. So are most cross dressers straights. I have no idea who came up with the idea that most gay men are obsessed with straight guys. In fact, what is true is that most homosexuals are closeted and living make believe straight lives married and all. Yeah, you have a bunch of flamboyant gays who had no choice but to come out, but those are hardly the typical “gay men”.

  57. SteveDenver says

    Gay guys aren’t obsessed with straight guys, gay guys are obsessed with GUYS. And like anything else, that which may seem out of reach (super hot gay or super hot straight) is enticing.

  58. michael9246 says

    I’m pretty sure this straight guy in Davey’s video just appeared on sean cody doing a J.O. vid.

  59. Dionysus says

    If Davey was a lollipop, I would have rotted teeth. Put the purse away and dim the flame just a bit.