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  1. enough already says

    Johnny,
    Seriously?
    It’s 2014, don’t you think you should update your knowledge of gender to at least the mid-20th century?
    Having a penis does not make me a man. There’s a rather small region of my (admittedly not very large) brain which makes me a man. In my case, that region of my brain and my penis are in concord: They’re both male.
    In her case (HER, not HIS), that penis is on the wrong body, because it’s male and she’s female in reality.
    Come on now, it’s not hard: Gender is usually but not always (and the more we learn the more fluid it appears to be) determined by one’s chromosomes.
    In fact, for mammals, it’s all on a sliding scale. The most manly of manly breasts can lactate (sometimes without hormones).
    Seriously, dude – you need to learn more real science than you currently know.

  2. Hansel Currywurst says

    McDonald’s should spend less time checking their customer’s meat and more on the alleged meat they feed to the customers. Hands off our nuggets!

  3. johnny says

    I think you are mistaken about my stance here, Enough.

    If her penis is on the wrong body, perhaps she should go ahead and get the surgery.

    I’m simply saying: be practical.

    If you feel you’re not a man and you feel you have a penis by mistake, get it taken care of, get the surgery, let go of the penis and be done with it.

    Shouldn’t that be the first priority instead of eating really bad food and then protesting that you can’t use the bathroom because people know you are still physically a man?

  4. Anthony says

    I have emapthy for her; but I also have empathy for all of the other woman who use that restroom and wouldn’t feel comfortable with any human being who possesses a penis being in their with them as their clothes down/skirts up to do what one does in the restroom.

    Yeah, thr McDonald’s staff were prolly rude and mean about it, but it doesnt mean they didnt have a point.

    I think if I were trans in the curre t climate, I’d aim for places with single unisex bathrooms in my day to day while writing companies and lawmakers to establish policy. To expect the current minimum wage low info fast food workers to understand or be educated on this topic, is totally unrealistic.

  5. Thedrdonna says

    @Johnny: that’s about $25-35k, and probably not covered by insurance. Some people cannot medically undergo such a huge medical procedure. Oftentimes it takes months or years after someone has socially transitioned to get the surgery. What about them?

  6. SpaceCadet says

    @Anthony,

    Women aren’t walking around with the skirts up and exposed in a McDonald’s bathroom. They have stalls. They wouldn’t ever have to see someone else’s vagina much less a transgender woman’s penis. And I can’t believe I had to actually explain that to you.

  7. Victoria says

    @ Spacecadet

    That isn’t true. Many women strip naked in public restrooms to keep from soiling their clothes. We certainly don’t need to expose them to dangling doodads!

  8. Dickvanbike says

    I really hate the commenting system on towleroad. the first few comments are always negative. It’s like the trolls have a full time job trolling the comments here.

    Then when they leave, everyone is busy refuting them, that there really isn’t a discussion anymore.

  9. Burning Legal Question says

    So if a trans-woman is attacked and sexually assaulted (possibly even murdered) while using a men’s restroom because McDonald’s won’t allow her to use the women’s restroom, who all in the McDonald’s corporation should be charged as accessories to murder? The history of violence on the part of heterosexual men against trans-women is long-established and well-known. Perhaps trans-women should be given concealed-carry permits as a self-defense measure.

    Also, how many hundreds of millions of dollars in fines should be assessed against the company in order to deter this time of discriminatory and dangerous behavior?

  10. Rick says

    Just a matter of time until private companies have to install urinals in women’s restrooms to accommodate trannies and drag queens. Imagine what a drag on the economy that’ll be.
    Ha! Ricky made a funny!

  11. Anthony says

    @Spacecadet
    WTF? Who said they were.? What a bizzare comment! Seems you need therapy or classes to in your reading comprehension.

    And to the notion from the other commenter about the fear of rapists going into ladies rooms. I dont disagree with the idea that this seems like a bit of an over reaction from my perspective, I know many women feel it is a concern, so whatever. At my place of employment every women’s restroom throughout all of our buildings is locked and female employees are issued a key. Im not aware of any transgender employees but I guezs they’d give them the key as well.

  12. Jack says

    I am asking this in a serious manner… How does management or anyone else for that matter know she is transgendered? I assume she’s dressed as a woman and has her face and hair made up as a woman So if she simply gets up and goes to the restroom who knows she’s anatomically a man? Many women have low voices so that can’t be it. Most of the times I went into a MacDonald’s restroom no one saw me.

  13. will says

    If a baby (born female) though she was transgender in the Baroque era — would the female want to transition into the male role: long powdered wigs, purses, high heels, like Louis XIV? In Ancient Greece, would the male-to-female transgender really want to give up his male freedoms to live as a female?

    Sexuality — and its ornamentations –is a societal construct. The roles of female and male change across culture and time.

  14. Tom says

    What on Earth does this have to do with gay people? Why does Towleroad constantly imply that to be gay means that you don’t know if you are a man or a woman and you have bathroom selection problems? Gay men are men and use the men’s room. Lesbians are women and use the women’s. Posting this story here seems very homophobic.

  15. TheAnswerMan says

    Answers to various questions posed above:

    TheDrDonna asks what about the trannies who can’t afford to transition:

    What about them? They have issues. They aren’t McD’s issues. They aren’t my issues. They aren’t the issues of the women who want to go to the bathroom without having to wonder whether the hulking dude next to them is a “transwoman” or a “cis transvestite”. Deal with your own issues and stop burdening others. Also, consider the morality of using limited health care resources for your butt and breast implants.

    BurningLegalQuestion asks about how much McD’s should be fined:

    $0. McD’s has the right to set its own bathroom access policies. Trannies can take their business elsewhere or they can go poo before they leave their pimp’s apartment. Or they can wear Depends.

    Jack asks how McD’s can know who is male and female:

    Well, Jack, appearance is a great way to tell. It works 99.9% of the time for almost everyone other than trans activists who are absolutely sure that they pass. An adult male can slop on the makeup and put on a wig, but with the exception of some tranny porno stars from Brazil, you can almost always tell.

    Will has no question, but decided to lecture us about how sexuality is a social construct. He is putting that queer studies degree to good use. Ironic, since that same degree also qualifies him to work at McDs! Anyway Will, gender identity is not “sexuality.” Those are 2 different concepts. And if gender identity is just a social construct, then it shouldn’t be such a big deal for this tranny to use the men’s room as required by McDs.

  16. Parker says

    We live 2 towns over from Richmond VA. Going to that Richmond Mcdonald’s this evening with my partner. We are going to order Big Macs and fries and Cokes and give an encouraging word to management to stand firm.

    Trans activists are anti-gay, homophobic bigots who have hijacked our LGB civil rights movement. It is a pleasure and a moral obligation to stand against them whenever we can.

  17. Tyler says

    The video says “Transgender woman raises awareness” It is true! I am much more aware of how bizarre trans activists are. I am much more aware of how LGBs do not have the same issues as Ts. I am much more aware that the construct of “LGBT” is a lie.

  18. will says

    I meant sexual roles are a social construct. And I don’t approve of “Queer Studies”! :)

    And what’s a transgender female-to-male to do in a medieval warrior society like the Norse Vikings?

    At bottom, this is really not a question of which bathroom the transgender should use. “Transphobia” (if that’s a legitimate word) is so strong that most people don’t want them using ANY bathroom. The debate is just used to stoke fears.

    I’ve heard transgendered people argue that the transgender should use “whichever bathroom makes him/her feel more comfortable.” So, transgenders are the only segment of society that gets to traverse between the two. Phobias are strong enough that if this REALLY becomes a social issue down the line, we’ll simply have one bathroom (for everybody) or three bathrooms (for male and female and trans).

  19. says

    I love my trans sisters, but srsly, this one LOL!! Let me help sistah:

    Tranny 101: Put on some make up to conceal man-face!

    Tranny 102: No pink dresses if you are over 50!

    Tranny 103: Buffalo Bill is a movie character, not a look to aspire to!

  20. Bill says

    @ Little Kiwi : just as an historical note, “Buffalo Bill” was a guy who ran a “wild west” show before movies were invented. There’s a museum and grave site in or adjacent to Golden, Colorado. His real name was William F. Cody and was nicknamed “Buffalo Bill” for being adept at buffalo hunting. The museum includes Sitting Bull’s bow and arrows – it wasn’t just in the movies that the Indians shot back at us. See http://www.sittingbull.org/

    http://www.buffalobill.org/ has the details. There is also a yearly event commemorating him in Golden.

    There were films made about him or mentioning him, but those were based on a real person, with the films no doubt including the usual Hollywood distortions of history.

  21. says

    Over the years I have heard of people wanting to include about 4 or 5 more letters to the “LGBTQ” but I think it’s been pretty much established that the LGBTQ will suffice. Also, it used to be “GLBT” but consensus allowed for the “Ladies First” rule of respect and we changed it.

    This grouping of the letters is not meant to be about gay people or lesbian people or trans people. It’s meant to represent ALL oppressed minorities. It’s purpose is to bring equality for all, not just some and to focus on “inclusiveness”, not to segregate.

    My opinion is that anyone who has a problem excepting the “all inclusive” then you are no different than any other prejudiced person out there thinking they’re better than those gays or those blacks . . .

  22. Joseph Singer says

    “McDonald’s management has claimed that they will look closely at the situation for evidence of customer mistreatment or discrimination. ”

    Translation: They’re not going to do anything about it.

  23. KidJ/NYU says

    “I think it’s been pretty much established that the LGBTQ will suffice”

    Really, Steve? Who established that? The conversion of LGB people into some broad, undefined umbrella encompassing hordes of anti-gay heterosexuals with gender issues is not anything I voted for. LGB describes a group of people defined by a common, inherent trait – same sex attraction. LGBT and all of its longer variants are a fraud designed to transfer the gay civil rights movement into the hands of non-gay people.

    And BTW, LGBTQ does not include “all minorities”. It excludes thousands of racial, ethnic, sexual, and religious minority groups. There is no group of letters which will cover everyone. And even if we could cover everyone, why would we? We are trying to express ourselves as gay people, not speak for every minority group in the world. Why not respect these other minority groups and let them have self-determination and the right to speak for themselves?

  24. Deirdre says

    KevInVT:

    It is frightening to think that you are a teacher. I would expect a comment like yours from a 12 year old. You propagandize your students and make them pay for it, rather than teach them how to think critically and assess their own assumptions. Shame on you.

  25. says

    *eye roll*

    don’t get it twisted – as usual, this site’s resident troll is posting bigoted anti-trans things in my name.

    that’s me. and my family. giving support.

    what does troll do? anonymous hate.

  26. JohnAGJ says

    “Also, it used to be “GLBT” but consensus allowed for the “Ladies First” rule of respect and we changed it.”

    So then transwomen are not “ladies” since they fall at the end and get lumped in with the transmen to boot? Who’s the “we” you speak of? Nobody ever asked me about any of this.

    My opinion is that anyone who has a problem excepting the “all inclusive” then you are no different than any other prejudiced person out there thinking they’re better than those gays or those blacks . . .

    Or perhaps those who seem to causally dismiss the overwhelming majority, straight and gay, that have big problems with sharing bathroom and changing facilities with folks that retain the genitalia of the sex they don’t personally identify with. Apparently “respect” is something to be dished out only to a select few while everyone else can be ignored. Gotcha.

  27. says

    KIDJ/NYU is just one more alias of this site’s worthless trolls. ANDY – Disqus please. implement a new system. you’ll see your site blossom into a place of legit dialogues, not trolling.

  28. says

    all this “surgery/genitalia” talk is a smokescreen. it makes no sense.

    you’re saying “oh, sorry. i just need to make sure you’ve had extensive gender-reassignment surgeries THEN I’ll allow you to use this facility…”

    really/ you think bigots think that far? no. they don’t. they don’t care where you’re pre-op, post-op or never-gonna-have-the-op – they’re just bigoted against transpeople.

    and the gay men who side with the bigots who hate on our trans brothers and sisters deserve every ounce of the hate they’re gonna receive in life.

  29. Parker says

    Hey guys, just wanted to report back on our excursion to the Richmond McD’s tonight that I mentioned before.

    Went over with my partner and his brother and the brother’s girlfriend. Had a great time. Good food (well, for McD’s anyway). Had a chance to speak with the shift manager and told him that we are a gay couple who supports their decision. We told him that we support our local businesses , urged him not to buckle on this, and said that it is not discrimination to ask that biological males use the men’s restroom. If people don’t like that, they can make other arrangements.

    Anyway, everyone was very nice and the place was pretty crowded. So I am not too worried about this latest bit of transgender ridiculousness and we are glad to have the chance to make sure that LGBs weren’t slimed with this craziness.

  30. Sharon F. says

    JohnAGJ, Well said! I agree with you!

    Little Kiwi, what a sick thing to say. You are a really twisted, angry person. No one deserves hate. Seek help.

    Parker, great report. Thank you! If I lived anywhere near there, I would have joined you.

  31. SpaceCadet says

    Lol! LK, I just saw the video you linked to. My 3 takeaways:

    1. You are even uglier than I had imagined. You were just starting to lose your hair in 2011, but you’ve come a loooong way baby! Your voice sounds like that of a 13-year old girl with nasal congestion. Don’t waste your time auditioning for voice-over work.

    2. Your mother is overbearing and dominating. That must explain something about your unique psychological condition. Your poor father just sits there meekly and watches the insanity unfold with his shrewish wife rambling about “queers” and his emasculated son and says “I have nothing to add.” I feel for him. He was probably thinking about the normal family he could have had. Lol!

    3. You talk a lot. You don’t say much. But your mouth never stops running. No wonder you have no prospects.

    Anyway, thanks for the lulz. YT video is the closest you will make it to stardom!

  32. Rowan says

    Man, she is an attention seeker. Why on earth would you go to McDonalds in such a public way?? I don’t even use public places if I can help it.

    This person needs help and support.

    No one pretends to be gay or Bi or lesbian because you can’t physically tell, so you don’t get attention seekers jumping on that wagon-but of course there are crazies there with specific rules to the orientation like ‘daddy’ and ‘mummy’ issues.

    All this person has to do is put on a wig and some female clothes and bang, they are now a trans woman and seeing it’s the buzz word in the liberal sector, they gain all the attention they are desperate for.

  33. Mike says

    Holy hell, this is a particularly vile comment section today isn’t it? Someone taking the time out to leave a particularly hateful comment about the trans community is no better than some crazy fire-breathing conservative leaving a comment about how gays are “unnatural” – I mean, seriously. …. Also, I can’t stop LOLing at the “report” about the visit to the “local” (multibillion dollar multinational corporation = local?) McDonalds. The food was good??? I mean, is that supposed to be satire. I’m so confused.

  34. Barbara Marie says

    Lambda legal has guide lines as to what bath room to use. IE: one used the bath room for what you are dressed. As long as you conduct your self as a “female”, there should not be a problem. I have not been in a “men’s room since 2008. I Have had a legal name change and an augmentation Mammoplasty and conduct my self in a similar manner as any female there doing a natural bodily function. I have neve bee questioned.

  35. Pat says

    Please, think of all the rapists or sex offenders that would follow the leader of letting one who don’t want to be a rapist or sex offender in the door of a bathroom of the opposite sex. Women, children and gang rape could have a free fall. I’m just saying, think it out, for real.

  36. Pat says

    Please, think of all the rapists or sex offenders that would follow the leader of letting one who don’t want to be a rapist or sex offender in the door of a bathroom of the opposite sex. Women, children and gang rape could have a free fall. I’m just saying, think it out, for real.

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