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road.jpg Schwarzenegger turns his back on equality, vetoes gay marriage bill.
Gov: “I do not believe the legislature can reverse an initiative approved by the people of California. This bill simply adds confusion to a constitutional issue. If the ban of same-sex marriage is unconstitutional, this bill is not necessary. If the ban is constitutional, this bill is ineffective.”

Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez: “History will show that Gov. Schwarzenegger had a chance to end the last vestige of legal discrimination in our state. Instead of choosing the way of the future the governor has aligned himself with the enemies of equal rights for all.”


  1. Brian says

    “The people of California” don’t have the authority to restrict human rights. This is the very reason why they’re called human rights in the first place – to protect minorities from the tyrrany of the majority.

    Screw that steroid-addled meathead. What a pussy.

  2. says

    Guaranteeing the rights of minorities in society should NEVER be up to the general population which can be riddled with prejudice. Arnold has screwed up big time.

  3. says

    LOL??….britt is pond scum and feeble….but arnold is the current state of schindler as nothing more than oscar material….he is manzanar….he is the antithesis of everything my birthplace represented….he is scarred from using robert mapplethorpe….he is an embarrassment beyond your voyeuristic handicap!!

  4. Ward says

    This is interesting. Direct democracy (referendum) versus indirect democracy (parliamentarianism) presided over by the Governator who was elected as well. Hmmm…I think you Americans have too much democracy for your own good.

  5. Mitch says

    Of course Andy leaves out the good news.

    The governor signed AB 1400, which adds sexual orientation and marital status to the Unruh Civil Rights Act, signed AB 1586 prohibiting discrimination based on gender identity in health care plans, granted gay couples quality under Prop. 13 for Property Tax appraisals and granted pension benefits to those of us who retired before the Domestic Partnership laws here in California came into effect.

    The governor also stated, “I support current domestic partner rights and will continue to vigorously defend and support these rights… and will not support any roll back.”

    Here’s the governor’s veto message:

    “To the Members of the California State Assembly:

    I am returning Assembly Bill 849 without my signature because I do not believe the Legislature can reverse an initiative approved by the people of California.

    I am proud California is a leader in recognizing and respecting domestic partnerships and the equal rights of domestic partners. I believe that lesbian and gay couples are entitled to full protection under the law and should not be discriminated against based upon their relationships. I support current domestic partnership rights and will continue to vigorously defend and enforce these rights and as such will not support any rollback.

    California Family Code Section 308.5 was enacted by an initiative statute passed by the voters as Proposition 22 in 2000. Article II, section 10 of the California Constitution prohibits the Legislature from amending this initiative statute without a vote of the people. This bill does not provide for such a vote.

    The ultimate issue regarding the constitutionality of section 308.5 and its prohibition against same-sex marriage is currently before the Court of Appeal in San Francisco and will likely be decided by the Supreme Court.

    This bill simply adds confusion to a constitutional issue. If the ban of same-sex marriage is unconstitutional, this bill is not necessary. If the ban is constitutional, this bill is ineffective.


    Arnold Schwarzenegger”

    Do I wish he’d signed it? Sure, but this governor has now signed EVERY piece of gay rights legislation that has crossed his desk, except AB 849, which probably wouldn’t have been legal given Prop. 22. That puts his record way ahead of his Democratic predecessor.

    If he had signed it he wouldn’t have picked up one vote on the left and would have outraged those that voted for Prop. 22. It was simply, politically, a no win situation for him, but the bottom line is today, my BF and I, who just registered with the state, just won more rights in our state and the governor should be applauded for that.

  6. Robert In WeHo says

    Mich suffers from a classic psychological disorder called “second class citizen syndrome.” Members of oppressed minorities will over time come to identify with their oppressors and rationalize their mistreatment and the discrimination they suffer as being justified. Given enough time, eventually their thinking and their philosophical mindset shifts to that of their oppressors. In this case, Gays believing that they are not worthy of equality because they do not fit the parameters they are told that they should fit by the “Christian” patriarchal establishment. Combined with secretly harbored feelings of self loathing and insecurity, acceptance of the status as second class human beings becomes a rationalized way of thinking and a way of life.

  7. Wayne says

    Mitch, are you just a masochist? You continue to show up here and massage the Republican/Christian/Fucked Up initiatives and support their candidates, at all costs, including your own self respect and that of others in your community. I feel deeply sorry for you, and especially for the fact that your warped sense of self has led you to believe that you are always right and everyone else is always wrong…very sad for you indeed.

  8. Britt says

    Richard, do you spend all day looking up words in your pocket thesaurus so that you can seem smart on a blog? Notice I said “seem.”

  9. Glenn says

    Actually, Britt, I think Richard has it about right. And I didn’t see any words in his post that aren’t in fairly common use. If you disagree with his point, let’s hear your counter-argument. Otherwise — and let me put this in simple, non-thesaurus words — shut the fuck up.

  10. Mitch says

    Nope. I’m not a masochist, I’m a realist. It’s real easy for Andy to write that one line and then gloss over all the good news, because that makes for a great post for you guys to get all fired up about and spew epithets.

    Yesterday, my boyfriend and I picked up a tangible valuable right. I no longer have to worry about us losing our house in Weho if one of us dies because our taxes would immediately double. Sorry, but signing every piece of pro-gay rights legislation that’s ever crossed your desk (more than any Democratic predecessor) and then vetoing one is not, “turning his back on equality” and to say otherwise is disingenous.

  11. Mitch says

    Robert, you live in Weho. I mean, really, you explain to me how you walk out of your 800k Spanish bungalow in the morning, go to your private gym in your 3-series, head off to work at the law firm (armed with your Ivy League MBA), lunch at The Farm, and head home to spend the evening with a $100 bottle of wine and catch Survivor on your plasma TV and still with a straight face use the phrase “second class citizen.”

  12. says

    Mitch, you didn’t get the talking points from HomoCentral?:

    No matter how much a Republican does for the gay community, no matter how many new rights granted or bills signed, he is STILL evil. Don’t you get it? A homophobe. A self-loather. An Uncle Tom. A traitor. Ad infinitem, ad nauseum, et cetera, et cetera … ZZzzzzzz …

  13. Brian says

    Oh please. Republicans have such thin skin when it comes to criticizing their leaders. They seem to be able to dish it out pretty well though.

    Face it… we deserve the right to marry the person we love, with all the status and recognition that marriage offers. Marriage can mean a lot of things to a lot of people, but the word “equal” has only one meaning that I’m aware of. The fact that Schwarzenegger had supported some of our causes before does not mean that this decision was right. I wouldn’t take this lying down from a Democrat either, by the way. Clinton pulled the same shit when he signed DOMA, and he too was a pussy for doing so.

    Pussy. Plain and simple.

  14. Vince says

    What would you expect from the pig. It’s time to get rid of the stink in california.

    The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

    – Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr

  15. Leland says

    Busted Bitch, I mean Mitch. Arnold has signed more gay bills because he has RECEIVED more gay bills [from the legislature]–so you cannot compare him to ANY previous CA governor on that basis–Democrat or Repugnant. Typical Piss Boy for the Right Wing, repackaging the facts to suit your propaganda.

  16. BAZ says

    Put as concisely as possible, the Gov is saying the current bill is bad law. And that he wants this done right so it will stick.

    Put away, temporarily, the emotional debate and give it a closer look. Yes, it looks like bad news. Think, guys, or you’re going to look at least momentarily a little dim to people who do.

  17. Leland says

    Put as concisely as possible, the Gov is pissing on our heads and claiming it’s only rain.

    A coward by any other name still stinks as bad.

  18. Jeff says

    What troubles me is the simple fact that the ONLY reason gays cannot marry is RELIGION. There is no scientific reason. No actual legal basis. It is only because some religions find homosexuality offensive or sinful. It is repulsive that the belief of some religions takes precedence over the civil rights of gay Americans. I don’t understand how a gay republican can tolerate the premise that your party’s religious convictions dictate policy. Mitch, your loyalty might be considered admirable to some, but your party doesn’t want you to exist. Your party members pray that you are doomed to hell. They pray for your eternal damnation. Thats what they do. They don’t like you. They hate your boyfriend. And you think a tax cut makes up for that?

  19. Britt says

    you gotta do better than that glenn to get me to accept your apology… make checks payable to … LOL

  20. Mitch says

    Jeff, I have 3 friends that I call my best friends, all straight, all religious, all Republican. I’ve known them each for over ten years. I am a godparent to two of their children. None of them or their wives oppose gay marriage. Everyone in my family is southern and GOP. None of them oppose gay rights or gay marriage. Homophobia is far more rampant among blacks and hispanics then it is among white Republicans and last time I checked most of them vote Democratic. If my party didn’t want me to exist the governor would have vetoed every gay rights bill that he’s signed, including the 4 yesterday.

    My loyalty is to a set of ideas, not a party. Give me a Democrat that believes in smaller, limited government, state’s rights, strong defense and fighting the war on terror and I’ll vote for him. I would have voted for Lieberman in a heartbeat.

  21. Leland says

    Bitch, your loyalty isn’t to a set of “ideas”–it’s to the Repugnants’ version of rosary beads, which string together a bunch of buzz words which armchair omniscients like you repeat over and over and over without any analysis of what they really mean and to whom. Even Repugnant icons George Will and Pat Buchanan, among many others, point out that George Bush has increased the size of the federal government, as well as the deficit specifically, more than Clinton, more than Carter. Repugnants bray endlessly about “states’ rights” ever since people suggested that there was no right to own slaves or segregate and disenfranchise their descendants. BUT when one or more of those states is doing something the Repugnants don’t like, then they jettison their devout belief in states’ rights faster than Mary Cheney call change batteries in her vibrator. E.g., a state like Florida trying to control their own elections only to have the Repugnants march in with an army of lawyers and plead before the Supremes that this state should not have that right [unless, of course, they expected the count to go the Repugnants way]. Or Massachusetts, using their state right to determine who can and cannot get married. The majority of Repugnants want to amend the US Constitution to override all 50 states’ rights there. “Strong defense”–there’s a bumper sticker if I ever read one. The Repugnants’ definition of strong, here, means nothing more than posing in front of bigger and bigger flags while continuing to make their friends in the military-industrial complex richer and richer. Eisenhower–now there was a Republican with balls. And, finally, “fighting the war on terror”–oh yeah, we’ve seen how good they are on that. Dined at Windows on the World recently? Remind me when and where Osama’s trial is? “During an address from the aircraft carrier, the USS Lincoln, President Bush declared the war in Iraq a success saying no terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime because it turns out they didn’t have any.” —Jimmy Fallon.

  22. Brian says

    Mitch, being a Republican used to mean just what you said. Limited central government, fiscal conservatism, etc. Ever since the religious fundamentalists took over the party, however, those days are gone forever. You’re lucky that your family is supportive. Most Republicans, southern or otherwise, simply are not, and it’s foolish to try to convince us otherwise. All one has to do is watch the Republican national convention or read the party’s platform to see that this is true. The Democrats, in all their befuddled, hand-wringing glory, are really not that much better, to be honest. And frankly you’re right about the homophobia in the African-American and Hispanic communities. But the problem isn’t necessarily the fact that the governator is a Republican… the problem is that he thinks that “the people of California” should be able to decide this issue… as if human rights should ever be dictated by a vote of the masses. He also crumbled under the vomitous, finger-wagging, deeply hypocritical blathering of the religious right, which is the main culprit here. Clinton did the same when he signed DOMA, to his shame.

  23. Mitch says

    “… the problem is that he thinks that “the people of California” should be able to decide this issue…”

    Well a court’s going to decide that and that was the reason the governor gave for not signing the bill to begin with.

    From the governor’s statement: “The ultimate issue regarding the constitutionality of section 308.5 and its prohibition against same-sex marriage is currently before the Court of Appeal in San Francisco and will likely be decided by the Supreme Court.”

    If it stands then the governor is right. If it fails, the law will be nullified anyway.

  24. Jeff says

    Mitch, don’t give me this shit about white republicans being less homophobic than Hispanics or Blacks. Just because you have a couple of long standing friends with decent morals, does not exclude the overwhelming majority of republicans that are homophobic and put it in the platform of the party. African Americans and Hispanics did not introduce legislation to ban gay marriages, the mainstream republicans did, and in part with the checks you and your friends sent. My partner and I just moved the hell out of Floriduh, because of white, christian hateful people. Hypocrites with “W” and the Jesus Fish on the back of their Lincoln Navigators sucking up gas in the name of the
    Lord. My partner was injured during one of last years hurricanes, it took 3 hospitals before we could get him a doctor, and when we did, I was pushed out of the room and stearnly told “You’re NOT family”. Born agains on our street turned their backs and would not even respond to a “hello” or “good morning”. I am in construciton, and death threats were made on Floriduh jobs sites because I had a Kerry sticker on my truck. Guns were drawn on jobsites, and your fine upstanding, white republicans tried to run me off the job. Which was fine be me, it was my contractors license, when I left, those assholes were outta work. But the worst experience I have is with children. God Bless you and your god child. But I too had a God son, actually a foster child. Who became my god son by virtue of John Paul II who baptized him at St. Patricks Cathedral in NYC. This child was black, orphaned and born with AIDS. He was in the hospital in the fall of 1995 when the republicans shut down the government, and all the AIDS kids in that hospital had health care witheld while the government was shut down. Just basic life support, no pain killers, spinal taps on 40 lb kids instead of an MRI. I saw these kids suffer. And some died during those days. It was brutality as a direct result of your party. My little man lasted three more months. I saw black families and spanish families and gay families adopt HIV babies, but I don’t know any widespread adoption by white christians. They scream about pro life and what a sin it is to abort, but I don’t see many whities pushing no brown babies around and I certainly don’t see the country club set timing their kid’s protease dosing. Sure they give a check, but never touch them. And as for us fags, well, we can’t adopt, because we’re unfit, but we sure can take care of ’em till their poor little bodies draw their last breath.
    My little man wanted to know if God sent down a ladder to get him to Heaven. But according to your party, I am unfit for such duty. My proudest moments have been swearing into the USMC, and holding up that fine young child for baptism before the Pope as an openly gay man with AIDS. And it had nothing to do with the Church, it was just a dying little boy’s wish. But your party says I am unfit to be a parent, or a soldier. I don’t see white republicans lining up at the soup kitchens or AIDS orphanages. I do see people of color and every orientation lined up to help. I am glad you found some decent folks in your party. But as a whole the republican party is about hypocrites. And, for the record, I was a republican, Ronald Reagan spoke at my graduation, I voted for GHWBush, and I served under him. I have been to the mid east. I have seen suffering. So don’t tell me about your well to do white christian friends unless they are doing something to help someone other then themselves, their 401K or their own white babies.

  25. A says

    Mitch needs a huge dose of reality. Rethugs are so far up into everybody’s business it’s unbelievable. People are jumping that party’s ship left and right. Wake up!