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Hillary Clinton on Bush White House: "They Put Nixon to Shame"

Hillary Clinton addressed a gathering Wednesday night organized by the Greater Voices Coalition of New York, a consortium of LGBT Democratic organizations, according to Gay City News.

HillaryIn her first statements following Wednesday's New Jersey Supreme Court ruling that same-sex couples must be afforded the same marriage rights as heterosexual couples, Clinton said that her position on LGBT issues "has certainly evolved" and added that were New York Gubernatorial hopeful Eliot Spitzer to introduce same-sex marriage legislation in the state as he has promised, she would support it:

"My position is consistent. I support states making the decision. I think that Chuck Schumer would say the same thing. And if anyone ever tried to use our words in any way, we'll review that. Because I think that it should be in the political process and people make a decision and if our governor and our Legislature support marriage in New York, I'm not going to be against that... So I feel very comfortable with being able to refute anybody who tries to pit us or pit me against Eliot. I am not going to speak out against, I'm not going to oppose anything that the governor and the Legislature do."

Clinton also acknowledged the more difficult battle the term "gay marriage" would have in the court of public opinion: "If you go the next step and say, 'But I want what is called marriage,' you're going to have a problem."

Clinton's decision to restrain from speaking out on the Senate floor this year about a proposed constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage was strategic, she said: "Very few Democrats spoke, because maybe you thought one way, which is that you want people out there speaking for us. We thought as — force the Republicans out there, make them look like they're trying to enshrine discrimination in the Constitution. We don't even want to dignify it."

She later slammed the Bush administration's abuses of power: "I think they put Nixon to shame."

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  1. Good for Hillary

    Maybe now she can show us all that she is NOT bush in a dress by FINALLY denouncing the Iraq war. (Hill has still not recanted her vote for the fiasco)

    That said, she might be a weak willed finger in the wind DLC might as well be a repub...............but she is OUR weak willed finger in the wind DLC might as well be a repub and I dare....double dare any repub to talk bad about her. The moment they do I will defend her and the big dog Bill with tooth and claw.

    Get a spine Hill, I will of course vote for her if she wins the 08 nom, but gods that be I hope she doesn't win the primary

    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 26, 2006 12:03:38 PM

  2. She's spineless. "If somebody else says yes, I'm not necessarily going to say no." Nice.

    Posted by: michael | Oct 26, 2006 12:06:16 PM

  3. Agreed, Michael. How very brave of her.

    Posted by: KJ | Oct 26, 2006 12:14:56 PM

  4. Spineless, lying, cheating, opportunistic, disloyal, vengeful and generally mean spirited. Any other questions?

    Posted by: rudy | Oct 26, 2006 12:17:39 PM

  5. Yesterday 219 US Iraq soldiers called on congress to bring our troops home

    2 US generals who were life long republicans told NY Times they are voting dem this election

    Republican senators on reps are starting to say Iraq was and is a fiasco


    Still no appology, no regret, no recanting of her vote to go to Iraq.....and no calling bush out on a failed, foolish, and WRONG (Iraq never attacked america, and not 1 iraqi was a hijacker on 9/11) war

    Come on Hill, you are going to end up being the only person in america who still supports the Iraq war.

    That said, you still have my grudgingly given vote if you win the 08 primary

    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 26, 2006 12:18:45 PM

  6. she did NOT say she would support "gay marriage" legislation - she said she wouldn't oppose it - very very very fcukin different - i am surprised you would use the phrase "she would support it" ----- not at all accurate!

    Posted by: bj | Oct 26, 2006 12:23:08 PM

  7. The reason the Republicans hate her so much is because she is the democratic candidate that is most like them.

    She would have the best chance of winning if she can gather as much moderate republican support by being weak on gay rights and supporting the war initially. You can't beat the republicans at their own game...look at Kerry!

    If Hillary gets elected there will be no major gay agenda passed until the 2nd half of her 2nd term. Beleive it or not folks that's the best chance we've got. Anyone else in the Democratic party is unelectable. We're just going to have to continue to take our punches until then. Did everyone else sleep through civil rights history?

    Posted by: NOT FOR YOU | Oct 26, 2006 12:24:34 PM

  8. "The reason the Republicans hate her so much is because she is the democratic candidate that is most like them."

    Amen, all this

    "Spineless, lying, cheating, opportunistic, disloyal, vengeful and generally mean spirited...."

    Seems to apply to the Republicans as well.

    Its truly a match made in hell.

    Posted by: Damon | Oct 26, 2006 12:28:42 PM

  9. Glad to hear I'm not the only anti-Hillary homo out there.

    Posted by: Derrick | Oct 26, 2006 12:39:18 PM

  10. Not for you

    I totaly disagree

    Gore can beat hillary both in the primary and the general election.

    Polls do show Gore under hillary by a a large margin, but that is due to his not announcing he is running. The moment he announced he was running then he would either be tied to hillary or beat her.

    PS Gore also did technicaly win the presidency already in 2000. Add to that more people love gore even more now due to his freeing himself from handelers and speaking from the heart, + anti-Iraq war from day 1, + said Bush worse than Nixon years ago (way before finger in the wind Hillary) , + Gore has the entire world now talking seriously about global warming due to his documentary, + almost every single last bit of positive legislation from clinton was actualy something Gore pushed clinton to do....add in Gore was the senator from Tenesse for a long time which woos those southern voters and we have a serious contender if he would anounce he is running.

    I personaly think he will anounce after the Nov 7th elections. He doesn't eish to distract from the important issue at hand..........checks and balances restored with a dem congress acting as oversight on bush/chenny

    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 26, 2006 12:48:46 PM

  11. NOT FOR YOU: I disagree with you about Hillary being the only Dem who could win. I think Barack Obama would not only get the Democratic nomination but would win by a far larger margin than Hillary.

    Posted by: scott | Oct 26, 2006 12:49:17 PM

  12. sorry for my spelling mistakes


    It should be wish instead of eish

    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 26, 2006 12:49:34 PM

  13. Oh shut up HIll. Shut your mouth and let a real leader (Spitzer) do what you can't.

    Posted by: nuflux | Oct 26, 2006 12:53:06 PM

  14. Scott

    Obama would make a great VP

    But he needs more experience before he can run for prez

    A Gore/ Obama ticket is a nice one though Obama has been going the hillary "finger in the wind" route of late instead of standing for something because it simply is the right thing to stand for.

    I think a better ticket would be

    Gore/ Clark

    General Wesley Clark that is. A great way to restore respect between our armed forces and the white house

    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 26, 2006 12:54:58 PM

  15. Gore? Come on... I actually like his politics. Environmental issues rank as high as human rights for me. But he has zero chance of winning the presidency. People view him as a failure (regardless of whether he actually did or not) and Repubs think he's a crybaby.

    I just read TIME magazine's recent cover story about Barack Obama and was blown away. Even though he doesn't have a lot of experience, he seems like our best shot in 2008. We need someone who is not polarizing like Hillary. It's time for the blue state vs. red start ideology to end.

    Posted by: chrisb | Oct 26, 2006 1:04:12 PM

  16. Hillary will not commit to gay marriage because she, like Bill, do NOT agree with our rights! Lip service, just like don't ask/don't tell. She is a true politician; tell them what they want to hear! God help us all if she becomes president. Which by the way will never happen. She is to polarizing. A few soundbites of her dropping the "F" bomb the way she does will send any moderates running for the hills.

    Posted by: RB | Oct 26, 2006 1:05:24 PM

  17. RUDY: You were describing Bush, righ?

    Posted by: Cory | Oct 26, 2006 1:08:37 PM

  18. Chris B we will have to agree to disagree on Gore.

    Obama is great, but I would rather have him as VP first and then Prez.

    Obama even said Byrd told him to slow it down and get some experience. He also said that Byrd smiled at him and said the real power is in the senate anyway.

    At this moment I am anyone but Hillary for the dem nom. If she wins the nom I will circle the wagons and defend her and the big dog Bill tooth and claw..........but oh how I want someone else other than Hillary.

    Oh and no kerry this time either. Gore at least fought tooth and nail for checking the votes up to the supreme court. kerry conceded defeat within 24 hours though exit polls showed a huge discrepancy from the the votes (which everywhere else in the world always has signaled voting fraud)

    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 26, 2006 1:13:09 PM


    I don't think Gore is going to run. Losing 2000 was Gore's cheese for his whine. Gore will wind up being the champion of election reform and the environment in this country as an unelected statesman but that's about it. And 2000 is so September 10th.

    Right now the only 2 candidates contending for the democratic nomination are Hillary and Obama. There are of course going to be other candidates but they are too obscure.

    Obama is too much like Dean. If Obama would get the nod then the republicans would beat him to death. Every weapon in the republican toolbelt will work on him. Republican gay scare tactics work. The environment is not an election issue.

    Posted by: NOT FOR YOU | Oct 26, 2006 1:15:13 PM

  20. RB: I tend to agree with you. Sen. Clinton is a master (mistress?) of expediency. She will do whatever is necessary to win. If that means saying something (that may be what she believes) in support of gay rights while doing something else (the expedient thing) she'll do it. She's just like her husband. The problem for me is that I believed President Clinton. I don't always believe her. Expediency is necessary and I can forgive it when the person clearly was forced to give into pressure (DADT, f'rinstance).

    Posted by: JT | Oct 26, 2006 1:21:03 PM

  21. Not for you

    Obama is too much like Dean???

    1) Obama is becoming the african american hillary "finger in the wind" standing for what is politicaly expedient vs what is right

    2) as if somethign was wrong with Dean. Uhm, DEAN= 50 state strategy. Put a challenger in every race. Run for every seat. Never give a seat away anywhere to a repub. Work hand in hand with the net roots. Pre Dean the dems weren't even running in many of the now contested seats. thanks to dean we had candidates there for whatever happened= Iraq Fiasco, Foley scandal, etc etc etc and now we actualy have 76-80 seats possible wins for dems though we will probably only win 38 and even those wouldn't have been if we didn't have dean's 50 state strategy candidates in those seats to begin with. dean has also raised more money with his net roots effort than the dem party ever has and is even trouncing Liddy Dole over at the rNC in fundraising. Howard Dean was and is great......500,000 average americans giving $20 can balance the repub millions in coprorate donations. prime example out west no less in Kentucky the repub candidate held a $20,000 a plate private dinner fund rraiser. the Dean Dem progressive candidate held a $20 open to any and all hot dog tent revivalesque fund raiser.....Guess what....more people average joes at dem fund raiser.....vene messy kids shaking hands with the politico and EQUAL money raised to the snob repub. Oh and the polls show them neck and neck. Dean is A+++++++++++ while old school elstablishment dem leaders like emanuel and schummer are c- at best

    Anyway; could you guess I am a Deaniac


    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 26, 2006 1:24:33 PM

  22. Yet again

    sorry for all the typos

    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 26, 2006 1:27:34 PM

  23. I just don't agree with the "needs more experience" argument for Obama. We just swore in a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court who

    * had never tried a case before a jury
    * had never presided over a trial as a judge
    * had little criminal law experience or expertise
    * had almost no experience practicing before state courts
    * The sum total of his appellate experience is arguing 65 cases in 17 years.

    I think Obama would do just fine.

    Posted by: scott | Oct 26, 2006 1:27:34 PM

  24. scott

    That is not a great comparison.

    heck, even discounting many dems didn't like nor vote for that supreme due to issues....many did mention lack of experience. The repubs ram rdded that one through due to wanting to stack the court with wingnuts

    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 26, 2006 1:29:53 PM

  25. Jimmyboyo: I disagree with your characterization of Dean's DNC being great shakes. We have two congressional races here in Michigan which have received ZERO financial, research or moral support from the DNC. One of the races (against the anti-christ Wahlberg) is "winable" because he is the arch-conservative who beat Rep. Schwartz in the primary. The other race (against a total whack...Rogers) is probably not up for grabs, but at least some token support would have been nice.

    No, I think Gov. Dr. Whatever-the-hell-else he-wants-to-call-himself Dean is a failure.

    Posted by: JT | Oct 26, 2006 1:40:07 PM

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