08/10/2007
Church Denies Navy Vet a Funeral After Discovering He Was Gay
A church in Grand Prairie, Texas that volunteered to host a funeral for the brother of one of its members took back its offer after officials discovered that the deceased brother, who had been prayed for by the congregation when he was ill, was gay, the Dallas Morning News reports:
"Mr. Sinclair, 46, died Monday. He was a native of Fort Worth, a Navy veteran who served in Desert Storm helping rescuers find downed pilots, and a singer in the Turtle Creek Chorale, said his mother, Eva Bowers. He did not belong to a church. His brother, Lee, is an employee and member of High Point, a nondenominational mega-congregation led by the Rev. Gary Simons. Mr. Simons is the brother-in-law of Joel Osteen, nationally known pastor of Houston's Lakewood Church."
Church members had prayed for Sinclair after he was diagnosed with a heart condition six years ago and had even sent staff to minister to the family as soon as he had died.
Here was the problem however: "Both the family and church officials agree that the church volunteered to host a memorial service, feed 100 guests and create a multimedia presentation of photos from Mr. Sinclair's life. But the photos that the family selected alerted church officials that there might be a problem with the service, Mr. Simons said. 'Some of those photos had very strong homosexual images of kissing and hugging,' he said. 'My ministry associates were taken aback.' And then, he said, the family asked to have its own people officiate the service. 'We had no control over the format of the memorial,' Mr. Simons said."
The church declined without offering the family some sort of compromise.
And finally: "The issue was not so much that Mr. Sinclair was, from the church's perspective, an unrepentant sinner, he said. It's that it was clear from the photos that his friends and family wanted that part of his life to be a significant part of the service. The pastor said that he could imagine a similar situation involving a different sin. Perhaps a mother who is a member of the church loses a son who is a thief or murderer, Mr. Simons said. The church would surely volunteer to hold a service, he said. 'But I don't think the mother would submit photos of her son murdering someone,' he said. 'That's a red light going off.'"
What would Jesus do?
Church won't hold funeral for gay man [dallas morning news]
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Matt in Dallas.
Posted by: Matt | Aug 10, 2007 1:53:38 PM
OK - so I'm guilty of some stereotypical judgment here, but that photo of "Rev. Gary Simons" exploits every characteristic of a big Mo himself. What straight man manicures his mustache and beard like that. These people - so called Christians - are so caught up in their egos that they completely miss what is supposed to be the premise of their religion - unconditional love. Let a higher power be the judge, not them. Just love with all your heart. (I'm sure the pictures were not sexual - it's amazing how fear comes out in those who fear those things in themselves most). Ugh! RIP Mr. Sinclair.
Posted by: kevin091962 | Aug 10, 2007 1:53:43 PM
So they think loving someone is the same as killing someone.
And would they also deny people if the people in the picture were eating crustaceans or wearing stretch jeans?
I hope the family sees how disgusting that church really is.
Posted by: jase | Aug 10, 2007 1:53:44 PM
What would Jesus do? He might murder the good Rev. Simons, for starters.
Posted by: Jake | Aug 10, 2007 1:54:14 PM
Assholes. Judgmental, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou assholes.
They need to be reminded of what Jesus said about the Pharisees.
Posted by: sam | Aug 10, 2007 1:57:03 PM
Considering that they took the low road it's interesting that the name of the church is High Point. And I see from the picture of the minister that they recruit their clergy The Sims.
Posted by: peterparker | Aug 10, 2007 2:03:58 PM
Methinks the Lady Simons doth protest too much.
Posted by: LD | Aug 10, 2007 2:05:27 PM
"OK - so I'm guilty of some stereotypical judgment here, but that photo of "Rev. Gary Simons" exploits every characteristic of a big Mo himself."
Ditto.
I thought that was the dead guy at first until I saw the name. Ring, ring - clue phone - it's for you Rev. Simons.
Posted by: ATLSteve | Aug 10, 2007 2:06:26 PM
Methinks the Lady Simons doth protest too much.
Posted by: LD | Aug 10, 2007 2:06:46 PM
Added:
Funny that they mentioned he's the B in L of Joel Osteen - that queen sets off my gaydar anytime I've seen him on TV as well.
Posted by: ATLSteve | Aug 10, 2007 2:08:06 PM
You've GOT to be kidding me...I can't believe the combined gaydar going off is not crashing the site.
You've GOT to be kidding! OMFG, you've got to be kidding. Really, you're kidding, right?
Posted by: bamjaya | Aug 10, 2007 2:09:20 PM
Even if they think homosexuality is a sin, EVERYONE sins, and this guy is DEAD.
Do they refuse to hold a service for someone who once divorced their wife? Or cheated on their wife? Or stole something? Or lied?
I guess those are all 'forgivable' sins, unlike the love that dare not speak its name.
Posted by: Wes | Aug 10, 2007 2:15:54 PM
I encourage everyone to voice your opinions directly with the church:
High Point Church
2500 E. Arbrook Blvd
Arlington, TX 76014
817.394.3000
www.churchunusual.com (no kidding, that's the church's actual website)
Posted by: Ian | Aug 10, 2007 2:16:25 PM
Gary Simons photo pretty much sez all that need be said.
Posted by: Giovanni | Aug 10, 2007 2:19:00 PM
I live in Dallas and this church is not your typical "mega-congregation", nor is the Lakewood Church that's mentioned. They do public "healings", and believe that prayer will fix everything, including medical issues. This same church is facing a lawsuit over a case where the minister convinced a family not to seek medical care for a child with diabetes. He told them that if they prayed hard enough, and had enough faith, Jesus would heal the child. The child lapsed into a diabetic coma and died, and the church excommunicated the family because they "weren't worthy of God's love"...they're idiots along the lines of the Phelps family.
Posted by: Wayne | Aug 10, 2007 2:20:33 PM
Who fucking needs them or their fucking hypocritical superstitious nonsense? When I die, any organs that are viable I will gladly donate and everything else can be thrown in a dumpster for all I'll care!
Posted by: Michael W. | Aug 10, 2007 2:25:00 PM
To complete the analogy, the family would have to show pictures of their son f*cking another guy. Excuse my french.
Hugging and kissing a man is a sin? No.
Posted by: Marc | Aug 10, 2007 2:25:12 PM
There is a contact box on their web site, http://www.churchunusual.com/
Don't preach to the choir here at Towleroad, let them know directly what you think of their bigoted actions.
Posted by: G. Stefanik | Aug 10, 2007 2:28:49 PM
gary = gayface for daaaaaaaaaaaaaays
Posted by: anthony in sf | Aug 10, 2007 2:29:37 PM
So once again homosexuals are catagorized along with murders and theives! and your right about the photo, at first galnce I thought it must be a pic of the deceased.
Posted by: Larry | Aug 10, 2007 2:32:12 PM
I have tremendous sympathy for the family, both for their loss and for this awful mess which must just be adding to their grief. However, I can't help wondering what they *thought* was going to happen. This is a deeply supersticious (I don't know what else to call what they espouse) congregation, hateful and bigoted on it's face. Did they think photos demonstrating same-sex affection would be accepted? Grudgingly? Celebrated? I don't get it....
Posted by: Bbash | Aug 10, 2007 2:33:47 PM
Quick, somebody out that preacher!
Posted by: Michael W. | Aug 10, 2007 2:36:19 PM
The pastor looks hella gay.
Posted by: fangirlhater | Aug 10, 2007 2:54:35 PM
Gay Christians are traitors. If you're too retarded to get through life without an imaginary sky-fairy, you need to work on that. Anyone who clings to ancient religious superstitions should be transported back to the stone age. If science doesn't have the answers for you, you should be forced to see how much you'd like living without it.
Posted by: Johnny | Aug 10, 2007 2:58:05 PM
He outed himself with that beard.
Target... bullseye!
Posted by: kansastock | Aug 10, 2007 3:00:14 PM
THAT IS THE GAYEST LOOKING REVERAND EVER!!!...
Posted by: alan brickman | Aug 10, 2007 3:01:16 PM
Johnny: EXACTLY!!! Amen..er, I mean Hear, Hear!
Posted by: Michael W. | Aug 10, 2007 3:17:32 PM
Hmmm, Ex-Gay group Exodus lists a visit to the Rev. Leather Daddy biker? Purely innocent meeting amoung the lying for the donations/self-loathing I'm sure.
http://www.sparefamily.com/Pictures/Friends_other/DSC06840.JPG
http://exodusltd.org/
Posted by: S | Aug 10, 2007 3:36:20 PM
Jesus wouldn't do anything because that would require that first he be real.
Posted by: JLS | Aug 10, 2007 3:37:15 PM
Hmmm, Ex-Gay group Exodus lists a visit to the Rev. Leather Daddy biker? Purely innocent meeting amoung the lying for the donations/self-loathing I'm sure.
http://www.sparefamily.com/Pictures/Friends_other/DSC06840.JPG
http://exodusltd.org/
Posted by: S | Aug 10, 2007 3:47:08 PM
I WAS TEMPTED TO DRAW TWO HORNS ON HIS FOREHEAD.
Posted by: CLIFF | Aug 10, 2007 3:57:42 PM
He's gay for days!!!
Posted by: Rufus | Aug 10, 2007 4:14:36 PM
Rev. Simons is the gayest looking reverend since Ted Haggard! (Actually, he's gayer looking than Pastor Ted.)
www.BitchRepublic.net
Posted by: Stenar | Aug 10, 2007 4:30:31 PM
"He's gay for days!!!" - "The pastor looks hella gay." - "Methinks the Lady Simons doth protest too much." -
Because he's gay Blanch, he is! It's his own issue. And that's why they are so afraid and treat others so inhumanely.
Posted by: dave | Aug 10, 2007 4:32:38 PM
What would Jesus do? Are you serious? Is that not the most cliche way to end an article about religion ever?
Putting that aside, I believe I can answer the question - Jesus would be miles away preaching to a large crowd about the Kingdom of God and telling people to repent. That's what Jesus would do.
Posted by: Jordan | Aug 10, 2007 5:22:51 PM
The church is an independent private organization. They have the right to make these decisions and our reaction to those decisions can be equal to their biggotry.
This is a faith based decision from a "church". Whether you agree or not, it is their right as an organization to stop the service. Why would anyone be upset by this decision from a church? You really should only get upset when people or organizations behave in a manner that is outside their normal behavior. In this instance, a church has taken a stand against homosexuality. There is no surprise in that! Walk away and pick a different battle.
Posted by: RB | Aug 10, 2007 5:36:58 PM
Sorry RB my friend, I disagree. If people were calling for the church to be forced by law to host the funeral I would loudly agree with you. The fact that people are stating an opinion on the church's positions or beliefs, and even challenging them, seems entirely appropriate to me. I may disagree with some of the personal and ad hominem attacks on the pastor and on the church but I will always support civil and respectful challenges of church and state organizations whether they be private or public.
Ye Mystic Crew of Jose Gaspar hosts the annual Gasparilla parade through the public streets in Tampa. When it was discovered that they barred membership to African-Americans and women the people of Tampa challenged them (even though they are a private organization) to reconsider their exemptions. That public challenge resulted in a change of policy without a lawsuit. I think that is a good thing.
Just because organizations are private (including churches), it doesn't mean that they should be immune from public scrutiny and challenge.
I am one of those crazy, traitor gay Christians but I welcome challenges to my spiritual beliefs. I reevaluate my faith DAILY because of challenges. I think everyone should.
And by the way, churches USED to be independent and private. They, especially mega-churches, are too often publicly funded through "faith based initiatives" and tax exemptions. Like it or not, our tax dollars are subsidizing these exclusive clubs.
Posted by: Zeke | Aug 10, 2007 6:29:20 PM
I completely agree with you Zeke, the church has every right to deny him services and deal with the blacklash from their community and beyond.
As far as the name calling; I hate to think what you all would be saying if Pastor Simmons were black, asian or any other race for that matter. I can only imagine the names come on share a few with me; go ahead.
I do love the internet as it is a 24/7 performance of hate (name calling and small minded ideals) behind closed doors.
Posted by: TheTruth | Aug 10, 2007 6:49:36 PM
Amazing! I too have to add myself to the list of those who believed, at first glance, the photo was of the deceased. But instead, it was Rev. Mary. Don't worry, it's just a matter of time until some escort or another reveals his many drug-addled rendezvous with the good "reverend" so that he can repent and go through counselling or whatever these self-hating fags have to do. Pathetic on so many levels.
Posted by: So Left I'm Right | Aug 10, 2007 7:06:13 PM
This news always pisses me off. Not so much for the "homosexual" issue....but for the charade on both sides of the aisle.
The first mistake here was the family even thinking this "the price is right" church wouldn't drag the dead man through the mud. You don't go to a non-gay church and think they are going to put on a show for a dead gay guy. Surely - being members of the church..and KNOWING the guy was gay - and KNOWING the church's "position" on gays -- where was there head? Did they really expect it to remain a big gay secret?
On the other hand, anybody who has lived in Dallas more than 20 minutes knows this church is all about the money. It is THE place to be seen on Sunday...and you best have a wallet thicker than the fool sitting next to you. Hell, I know a woman who left our company to work there. She was banging down 6 figures with us...and went to work for the church because " the money was just too good to turn down" ! ! ! Those are HER words....not mine.
As for the religion - wise up. Religion is undoubtedly the finest tool to maintain control over the minions and fleece their pocket at the same time. And, in all these years, not a drop of verifiable proof. Everything is a hallucination....more commonly known as a mind f*** to the layman. Still, folks often need something to hold on to...something other than themselves to believe in.
Nothing pisses me off more than being lied to. And the church is an endless blathering of lies. Yep, I fully know some of ya'll are gonna get all fired up over that...but how many more young boys will get killed in the name of God?
www.zeitgeist.com Sit down and watch it. Truth hurts.
Posted by: Mark | Aug 10, 2007 7:17:57 PM
Amen Zeke; Sorry RB. Just because some organization is labelled a "church" does not provide immunity from criticism. Remember, Jesus openly and vehemently criticized the religious elders of his day. I have every right, nay duty, to call out their offensive behaviour. They insult our family. We should not be expected to tolerate such offensive behaviour. By their actions they revealed themselves to be complete and total assholes.
Posted by: rudy | Aug 10, 2007 8:20:05 PM
The comments here explain why organized religion sees our movement as its political enemy. They're not paranoid that we're trying to tell them how to worship - they're right. Don't be such control freaks already.
Posted by: Contrariwise | Aug 10, 2007 9:07:43 PM
Contrariwise, deal!
When they stop telling me who I can love and stop trying to make laws to restrict me from expressing my love THEN I will stop complaining about how they worship.
If they stay out of my bedroom and out of my marriage I'll stay the out of their church and out of their theology.
Posted by: Zeke | Aug 10, 2007 9:51:21 PM
Cecil Sinclair was my friend. What happened with his memorial service was very disturbing and I feel there is justified criticism to focus towards High Point Church.
They certainly have every right to refuse to hold a service if it is against their beliefs, even if I personally disagree with those beliefs. However, they knew Cecil was gay before offering to hold the service. It was clear Cecil being gay was not an issue until they were presented with imagery of Cecil being affectionate towards his partner and that they would not be in control of running the service. My impression is that his sexuality was OK as long as it was kept quiet during the ceremony.
It is important to note that High Point Church had agreed to host the service then less than 24 hours before the service was to begin, unexpectedly refused, leaving Cecil's family in a lurch.
Posted by: Chris | Aug 11, 2007 1:16:54 AM
This pastor-queen looks like Jack Palance with a butt plug! What a complete turd! If this is the best our "born-again" "Christian" "men" of the cloth can muster as an excuse for compassion, we need to revoke their tax-exempt bigotry and out all of them, NOW!
Posted by: paul the cynic | Aug 11, 2007 4:18:22 AM
BTW: It wouldn't surprise me if "Pastor" Simmons were caught sucking dick in a public restroom.
Posted by: paul the cynic | Aug 11, 2007 4:41:35 AM
As an avid reader and commentor on the blogs, I tipped the Dallas Morning News of this, which broke the story yesterday. Since then, a lot more details have come to light, including a comment on the DMN Religion Blog from Cecil's family. I'm sure you won't be all that surprised by Paul's response, and I hope it gets at least as much coverage as did the church's attempt at justification.
http://religion.beloblog.com/archives/2007/08/another_side_of_the_story_of_t.html#more
Posted by: AngelSong | Aug 11, 2007 2:20:07 PM
The problem here is that the staff at this church failed to maintain control of the service it agreed to host. It allowed the family options which did not rise to the level of expectation of the church. This was not about the deceased being gay as that was openly known. It was not about the church being anti gay. God knows gays have cash in those pockets and there is no church and no god (see lower case g) that will fail to take advantage of an offering gay or otherwise. It does not matter that anyone presume the pastor of this church might or might not be gay for the purpose of poking fun or lusting after or despising him. What everyone should be outraged about is that this family tried to take advantage of the hospitality of this church and its buildings and staff by making demands and holding onto expectations which were inappropriate. I for one fail to see the honor in watching a slide show of a life lived as some sort of replacement for the kind words delivered by family friends and loved ones in memory of the one who passed. Just because a church has access to cutting edge technology purchased with the donations of its members and guests does not mean it has to be used. This family failed to acknowledge what was appropriate for a church setting and then refused to compromise on its presentation. Who was the bigger fool. My hand goes up for the family. A memorial service should be dignified, respectful and uplifting. This family brought a dark cloud over what should have been the celebration of a life well lived. In that shoe box of snapshots there must have been 50 that would have been perfect for the occasion without causing harm to the deceased memory or challenge the churches integrity and mission. It could have been done. They should have tried harder to honor the memory of the man they loved. And if this church holds such an important place in the community, it would have been significant to have his memory honored there no matter what had to be sacrificed. The entire matter is a disgrace which is not helped by anyone debating the sexual status of a pastor or the ethics of his church. A man died. His family should be grieving him. The rest is nobody's business.
Posted by: Rob | Aug 13, 2007 5:53:02 AM
So Rob, none of us should be bothered in the least that the good Reverend compared this man to a murderer?
I don't think that the pastor's words were nearly as kind or benign as you make them out to be.
And what was it about the pictures that the family wanted to show that YOU consider to be harmful or dishonorable or a black cloud over the deceased man's memory?
Posted by: Zeke | Aug 13, 2007 1:29:37 PM
So Zeke,
Sinclair did not compare the deceased to a murderer. His comparison speaks to the appropriateness of the imagery chosen by the mother to that of images which might be chosen by another mother whose child had unrepentant sin the likes of which could be murder. The radical nature of his comparison should give you some idea of what might have been in the imagery selected by the dead mans family, not specifically but comparatively. You are presuming Sinclair has motives that go beyond simply assuring the dignity of the service he was to oversee. You and I do not know what imagery was requested. I believe if you do your research, the church under the direction of Sinclair went out of their way to assist in the relocation and ancillary support of the service which simply moved to another location. In the final analysis, the entire situation could have been avoided through mature compromise rather than rankorous mud slinging. My only point is to remember this was about honoring a dead man. The behavior exhibited in the 24 hours prior to the service certainly did this man no honor. The only issue we have to base a judgement on is that openly man on man kissing was rejected. I have been in church my entire life. I have been affilated with a very large church in Central California and in all my years of services, including memorial services, I don't recall any time when kissing was a significant part of any multimedia presentation for any purpose for any service. This is a church. Standards are upheld. If the same service had been for a man or a wife and the family wanted to use images of open affection I am pretty certain they would have received equal disdain from those involved. It was unnecessary for the family to make this into an issue unless they had an ax to grind in this community and in this particular church. Classic case of looking a gift horse in the mouth. And consider one more thing. The service was expecting about a hundred people. The auditorium pictured probably seats over a thousand. That family should also have considered the cost the church was undertaking just to turn on the lights, staff the building, clean it before and after, air condition it and provide pastoral staff to officiate. As an event planner I can advise you the costs would easily have exceeded 5 grand just to have them walk through the door. Don't be so quick to paint Sinclair and his staff as the bad guys here. They probably did the best they could with a family ready to punish them for a belief system they did not share. These people should have rented a ballroom and called it day.
Posted by: Rob | Aug 14, 2007 3:49:30 AM
So sorry Zeke, in my haste to respond to your questions, I have confused Rev Simons with the deceased Sinclair. My mistake which I regret. However, except for the name reversal, the remaining comment reflects my position that the family was wrong and the church staff was right. Beyond that, we should let Sinclair RIP.
Posted by: rob | Aug 14, 2007 3:54:48 AM
WWJD?
I'd bet (sin) that he wouldn't go here!
http://www.HighPointHatesFags.com
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Posted by: Chad | Aug 14, 2007 4:16:11 AM
"If the same service had been for a man or a wife and the family wanted to use images of open affection I am pretty certain they would have received equal disdain from those involved."
I with that statement I think it becomes clear that you are full of shit. Politely full of shit but full of shit none the less.
You never did answer my direct question above. Now it's pretty clear why.
Compassion trolls are the worst trolls of all.
Having said that. I don't know why this family didn't contact Cathedral of Hope in Dallas, an Open and AFFIRMING, CHRISTIAN, UNITED CHURCH of Christ to do the service. I agree with those above who question why gay people seem to need to worship, play, work, or do anything that they don't have to with people who hate and despise them.
Posted by: Zeke | Aug 14, 2007 1:01:33 PM
"If the same service had been for a man or a wife and the family wanted to use images of open affection I am pretty certain they would have received equal disdain from those involved."
I with that statement I think it becomes clear that you are full of shit. Politely full of shit but full of shit none the less.
You never did answer my direct question above. Now it's pretty clear why.
Compassion trolls are the worst trolls of all.
Having said that. I don't know why this family didn't contact Cathedral of Hope in Dallas, an Open and AFFIRMING, CHRISTIAN, UNITED CHURCH of Christ to do the service. I agree with those above who question why gay people seem to need to worship, play, work, or do anything that they don't have to with people who hate and despise them.
Posted by: Zeke | Aug 14, 2007 1:02:33 PM
"If the same service had been for a man or a wife and the family wanted to use images of open affection I am pretty certain they would have received equal disdain from those involved."
I with that statement I think it becomes clear that you are full of shit. Politely full of shit but full of shit none the less.
You never did answer my direct question above. Now it's pretty clear why.
Compassion trolls are the worst trolls of all.
Having said that. I don't know why this family didn't contact Cathedral of Hope in Dallas, an Open and AFFIRMING, CHRISTIAN, UNITED CHURCH of Christ to do the service. I agree with those above who question why gay people seem to need to worship, play, work, or do anything that they don't have to with people who hate and despise them.
Posted by: Zeke | Aug 14, 2007 1:02:49 PM
So who says that Simons isn't one of the girls. You could park 10 dicks on those lips. And several up the chute.
Just a thought.
Posted by: Dr.Pat | Aug 15, 2007 11:07:51 PM
Hey Zeke...
I did answer your questions. If you could step back from your angry homo rage for a few short seconds you might understand that the church in question, most churches in America adopt a position that fails to agree with your logic, standards or theology. No one cares how you worship or which god you serve. Your community has no business telling a Christian community that it is wrong and you are right. You do not get to choose. You do not get to dictate how they worship or who they serve. Because you believe differently neither makes you right or them wrong. No one is telling you to step back into your glamorous closet. But you have no business leading a parade down the center aisle of 9.9 out of 10 churches the world over. You need to realize the more your community pushes in, the harder and harder our community will push back. We are stronger, richer, louder, larger and better organized than anything you can ever hope to accomplish as a gay community. Someday and I hope soon, you need to grasp that your community would be better served by making an effort to understand and integrate as men and women above and beyond your sexuality, to respect the views of others who do not agree that you deserve a place at the table in full drag and in all you snap savvy wonderfulness. Here is the fundamental issue you fail to grasp. Worship is not about you. Worship is not about a church. Worship is not about acceptance into a group, a sect or a family. Worship is about GOD. You bring your self into His presence with dignity and it will not matter the address or sanctuary. Your actions and your decisions will be appropriate and you will be welcome.
Posted by: Rob | Aug 16, 2007 4:38:43 AM
Hey Zeke,
One more thing. We do not hate and or despise gay people. With few exceptions most churches have no issue as a congregation with you and yours. When you come looking for a fight, you will likely find someone willing to fight. When you challenge us, we will offer up a position that runs contrary to your way of life because we do not believe as you do. It should not come as any surprise to you. The entire function of a church is to collectively gather up members of like mind. If you do not share in the belief system, you don't belong in the pew. Find another pew or make an effort to fit in. And as for the trolls comment... grow up. As for all of the above that insist on lewd remarks about a man that makes an effort to serve God and his congregation, you need to grow up too. It's insulting. I guess that was your point. It wasn't much of a point.
Posted by: Rob | Aug 16, 2007 4:52:01 AM
'But I don't think the mother would submit photos of her son murdering someone'
So, according to him, murdering someone is just as horrible a sin as loving someone. Far-fetched?
Posted by: PIQUET | Aug 17, 2007 5:06:39 PM
Hey ROb, you remind me of a closeted self loather. Hate, hate, hate everywhere. The judgement you dish out is wasted here. You are looked upon as a weak, pathetic loser who gets his stregnth from a book he can quote to put others down with. A book he can quote to get real high and mighty on somebody. Wow, a book to use so you can hate on someone. The book got your back while the luxurious feelings of hatred are spewed out non-stop. The power of the book to be used for unbridled hatred against the fellow humans that you hate. You have substantiation in your hate. You have backup. WHY? Because you are a weak, cowardly, dispicable human being without any independent stregnth of mind or soul.
Posted by: Rob Biter | Aug 18, 2007 11:25:44 AM
Rob likes big, strong, rich churches that can beat down the communities which it hates to a pulp. The church as a gang. Interesting concept, Rob.
Posted by: Closetor | Aug 18, 2007 11:42:49 AM
Dear Mr. Biter and Closetor,
Neither of you have a clue what you are talking about. Most people don't agree with you yet somehow you still feel you are the only ones in the world that can be right all of the time. Pathetic. Grow up. Open up. Look inside your own conscious and all you are going to see is the hate and self loathing you are putting out on a daily basis. There is only one thing in this world that I loath. That would be straight bashing gay boys who are too dumb and self centered to know what the rest of the world knows. You and yours create the box you choose to live in. Nobody put you in that box. If you choose to stay in that box, more power too you. It's no different than the box the Rev's Jackson and Sharpton create for the small minded black folks too blind to see through their charade. As long as you want to prance down main street America in your speedo with a rainbow wig blowing in the breeze don't expect any of us to take you seriously as an equal member of respectable society. You point fingers. It's what you do. It's what you do oh so well. We really don't care who or what you do in the privacy of your own chic shack. If you insist on our coming around to your way of thinking, you will be waiting an eternity.
Posted by: Rob | Aug 18, 2007 4:47:40 PM