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Hillary Clinton Wins Pennsylvania Primary, Soldiers On

Hillary Clinton took the Pennsylvania primary over Barack Obama with 55% of the vote to Obama's 45%. The candidates' speeches, above, via Talking Points Memo. Josh Marshall of TPM notes that, after Pennsylvania, we're basically back where we started again: "There's a lot of crowing from Hillary's campaign tonight about a shift in momentum and doubts about Obama. Tomorrow there will be a lot of chatter from Obama's campaign that none of that really matters because of the reality of the delegate numbers which won't change much."

ClintonAP: "Her victory, while comfortable, set up another critical test in two weeks time in Indiana. North Carolina votes the same day, and Obama already is the clear favorite in a Southern state with a large black population. 'Now it's up to you, Indiana,' Obama said at a rally of his own in Evansville after Pennsylvania denied him a victory that might have made the nomination his."

The NYT reports: "Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton defeated Senator Barack Obama in Pennsylvania on Tuesday by enough of a margin to continue a battle that Democrats increasingly believe is undermining their effort to unify the party and prepare for the general election against Senator John McCain. Despite a huge investment of time and money by Mr. Obama and pressure on Mrs. Clinton by the party establishment to consider folding her campaign, she won her third big state in a row. Mrs. Clinton showed again that she is a tenacious campaigner with an ability to connect with the blue-collar voters Mr. Obama has found elusive and who could be critical to a Democratic victory in November."

But is it possible for Clinton to win the nomination? MSNBC's Chuck Todd does some analysis below, and concludes that it's almost impossible for Obama to lose his lead in pledged delegates.

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  1. Barack Obama cannot beat John McCain in the general election.

    Posted by: jmg | Apr 23, 2008 8:17:21 AM


  2. Yes, he can.

    Posted by: JerzeeMike | Apr 23, 2008 8:26:58 AM


  3. JMG, yet he is WINNING in delegates, popular votes and states won. how is hilary going to win the GE, when she can't even win the democratic primary knowing full when that THE ONLY PEOPLE who like her her the democrats?

    Posted by: johnosahon | Apr 23, 2008 8:27:25 AM


  4. He simply cannot seal the deal, after spending all that money and time. I'd be depressed if I were him, and scared.

    He lost Scranton 70%-30%!! What is more likely? That the black and student vote will come around for Clinton or that those Scranton Catholics will come around for Obama?

    Hillary spoke very well. Obama rambled.

    She has a very good argument to the superdelegates now. They were designed to vote on who can win in the fall. That's why they are SUPER. Bad system, and it won't be changed until later.

    Posted by: jmg | Apr 23, 2008 8:36:57 AM


  5. BTW, the margin was closer to 8.5%, not 10. Don't believe the media spin. Hillary is toast. She has pissed off too many people and has turned into a Republican. I hope Obama crucifies her in his upcoming ad campaign. The sooner these Republican-lite Clintons are thrown out of the Democratic Party, the better. They caused more damge and lost more Congressional seats for us and did more damage to the GLBT community than than their delusional backers can admit. I used to love Hillary. I honestly thought she might be better than her pandering, oily husband. But she has proved to be the same kind of traiorous, Washington insider that will sell us out in a minute. You can say whatever you want about Obama, even about the ex-gay preacher he had on stage that time, but at least he didn't support and help enstate DADT and the DOMA Act. Fuck you, Hillary, and the pro-Iraq voting horse you rode in on!

    Posted by: Dom | Apr 23, 2008 8:37:38 AM


  6. Obama is finished. He has yet to win any large states and most of the states he has won will go to Republicans in November. Clinton leads the popular vote because by the time the convention is held in August, the voters in Florida and Michigan will not be disenfranchised. The Super Delegates are not actually committed until the convention and a majority will vote to swing the election to Clinton if necessary. Any other choice by the Democratic party would be suicide. Obama's long time association with criminals, radicals, lunatics and his militant wife have buried him.

    Posted by: Johnny Lane | Apr 23, 2008 8:42:37 AM


  7. Bitter, Dom? Or just clingy?

    Posted by: jmg | Apr 23, 2008 8:42:47 AM


  8. DOM,
    BTW, it's actually 9.5% not 8.5%.
    Maybe you just made a typo.

    Posted by: z | Apr 23, 2008 8:45:52 AM


  9. WHY CAN'T OBAMA WRAP THIS UP?? There MUST be a reason...perhaps people are FINALLY starting to realize this wolf in sheep's clothing cannot win a big state if HIS LIFE DEPENDED ON IT. Something is seriously wrong that after all the attacks on Hillary from his camp and the Clinton-hating media in general she is STILL taking these big states. These big states DEMOCRATS NEED to win the general election. After ALL THE MONEY he spent in PA he STILL LOST...he has another shock coming when once again Hillary will sneak in and take Indiana...BARACK OBAMA DOESN'T CARE ABOUT GAY PEOPLE!!!! Hate to be blunt but it's true...This has gone on long enough...HE CANNOT WIN...He is NOT READY to be President..Let's come together and FINALLY support the TRUE PASSIONATE AMERICAN who is STRONG enough and SMART enough to get this GREAT COUNTRY back on track!!!!! HILLARY '08!!!!

    Posted by: daveynyc | Apr 23, 2008 9:03:28 AM


  10. where to go from here? hillary keeps trouncing barack in the major states. barack wins the caucuses in the red states. he outspent her in PA 3 to 1, and still lost by 10 points.

    this is lunacy. if this were a republican-style primary, instead of the tortuous democratic one, she would've had the nod by now. the dems need to work on this. i presume that the party elders who set up this byzantine, labyrinthine process are bouncing their heads off concrete walls.

    anyone who does not agree that this primary has been patently unfair, has no moral authority to denounce hillary. if one were to watch late-night TV monologues, it would become apparent that hillary is fair game, while obama is inviolable. i am sick of the pantsuit jokes. much more than that, i am sick of the pervasive sexist idea that hillary is a public punching bag. and much, much, more than that we, of all people, should be sensitive to the shameless bashing. somewhere, somehow it became OK to slam white women. that is a dismal turn of events. is it white guilt that allows this violence while giving obama a free ride? we need to search our souls.

    despite everything thrown at/against her, she comes back. she's my girl.

    Posted by: nic | Apr 23, 2008 9:05:54 AM


  11. Hooray, another Hilary/Obama post I can skip entirely - what a viciously polarising adversarial election system you Americans employ...

    Posted by: johnnzboy | Apr 23, 2008 9:07:31 AM


  12. Z, stop SPINNING stop LYING, stick to FACTS

    she won by 8.6 points

    http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

    funny thing is that she was suppose to win by 20 points, why is it that when she wins, it is ALWAYS close, but pbama ALWAYS destroys her by 20-30%?

    why is it that he comes close in her states but she CAN NEVER come close in his states.

    cannot wait till may 6th, where he will destroy her in north carolina and take her state indiana.

    Posted by: johnosahon | Apr 23, 2008 9:16:35 AM


  13. Yes, he obviously cannot win.

    What? Oh, thats right, he leads her in states won, popular vote and delegates pledged.

    Odd that Obama is so beatable and yet, your own candidate has absolutely no mathematically proven chance at beating him.

    I am getting so tired of hearing this spin from Democrats. You people sound like Republicans getting the message from Fox News.

    Do you people know anything about politics? About Name ID and about negatives/positives? Hillary Clinton's name ID is huge. Everyone knows her. This is usually a good thing. Except for the fact that her negatives are just about as high as her positives. And since her name ID is so high, that's not going to change.

    This whole campaign is very simple political math. She cannot win. And if she somehow does manage to win against Barack Obama, she will not only lose against McCain, she will cost us seats in Congress.

    Every Nick Lampson that wasn't supposed to win last year in Republican districts will certainly lose with her at the top of the ticket.

    Why can't you people see this? She is anathema to the Democratic Party in 08.

    Posted by: Sean H | Apr 23, 2008 9:16:52 AM


  14. The time has come. The time has come. The time is now. Just go. I don’t care how. You can go by foot. You can go by cow. Hillary R. Clinton, will you please go now! You can go on skates. You can go on skis. ... You can go in an old blue shoe. Just go, go, GO!

    Posted by: FASTLAD | Apr 23, 2008 9:24:07 AM


  15. Huckabee '12!

    Posted by: John In Manhattan | Apr 23, 2008 9:26:57 AM


  16. Um, this is nothing but an awesome victory for the republicans. Any democrat with any common sense should be rooting for whatever outcome will lead to a decisive victory for one of the candidates. What everyone doesn't seem to realize is that all this bickering on our side (see comments, above) looks REALLY, REALLY BAD to those Americans have not yet committed to a party in the upcoming election. Throughout American history, splits within political parties have always doomed their campaigns. Both sides in the Clinton and Obama spat will have to reconcile in order to win this election, and the longer this goes on the harder it will be.

    Posted by: scientitian | Apr 23, 2008 9:31:44 AM


  17. NIC,

    I'm used to JOHNNY LANE, DAVEYNYC, JMG, Z, and others making irresponsible statements during this primary season. Your comment about "ok to slam white women" is extraordinary. Black women have been raped, murdered and lynched in this country for centuries with their murderers and rapists never prosecuted. This is exactly the kind of talk from some Clinton supporters that may make her candidacy unacceptable to many black folks who've supported the Democrats ninety percent for 40 years. And the sad thing is that it won't be her fault, but the fault of those who speak in support of her.

    At this point, I still intend to vote for Hillary Clinton if she pulls off a miracle and wins the nomination. But bigots like JOHNNY LANE must not believe that the niggers (as he would put it) are tied to Democratic Party--if that party allows trashy racists to become representative of Mrs Clinton's constituency. We lived through many decades of violently racist leaders in the United States; so, we will survive four years of John McCain, and twenty years of a facist Supreme Court. We've survived it before.

    Posted by: Derrick from Philly | Apr 23, 2008 9:34:07 AM


  18. The only reason to read these comments is because of the awesome, uplifting opinions.

    Posted by: homer | Apr 23, 2008 9:36:17 AM


  19. OK, SeanH, in the same breath, you say she cannot mathematically win, then you say, "If she does." You either can or can't. She can if the superdelegates go her way. So, quit with the "you people" attitude.

    This is a DEMOCRACY. You people who support Obama forget - it's not about you! It's about the process, like it or not! If Hillary gets the nomination, it's because she had enough votes, both regular and superdelegates. If Obama gets it, then it's for the same reason. And if McCain then wins, then it's because the PROCESS worked in his favor.

    People don't vote for candidates they don't like, and that is so in the primary just as much as it is in the general election.

    Sorry, but NEITHER candidate is guaranteed to beat McCain. Obama is the most liberal of the candidates, and this will be exposed in the general election. Can you think of the last liberal President (as liberal as Obama) to be elected? Don't say Bill, cuz Obama is more liberal than Bill!

    NEITHER is guaranteed to beat McCain. NEITHER!!!!!!!

    Posted by: SeanH | Apr 23, 2008 9:44:05 AM


  20. NIC

    I agree with you on the super delegate part of the process.

    On the representational distribution of pledged delegates? NOPE. Sorry, we are not republicans with winner takes all. It benefits all dems by allowing a wider influence of dem voters to have an impact on our platform. The democratic party is anti-authoritarian by nature.

    The large state thing is a non issue.

    California? NY? Are they ever going to go repub?

    Hillary now needs 71% in all remaining primaries to catch the pledged delegate numbers. Something she did not even do in Arkansas


    Life goes on, the primaries will continue, and we will all be a divided house for just a wee bit longer.

    In the end though it is all of us against white, oldster, authoritarian, elitist, crazy, and bush jr part 2 mccain.

    Posted by: Jimmyboyo | Apr 23, 2008 9:54:23 AM


  21. OBAMA’S LAUNDRY LIST OF LIES

    Read, memorize, swipe and publish!!!
    1. Selma Got Me Born. LIAR–your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961; Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
    2. Father Was A Goat Herder. LIAR–he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
    3. Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter. LIAR–he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had
    4. My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom. LIAR–your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades.
    5. My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian. LIAR–she does her daily Salat prayers at 5 a.m. according to her own interviews. Not to mention Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
    6. My Name is African Swahili. LIAR–your name is Arabic and Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means blessed in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
    7. I Never Practiced Islam. LIAR–you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change so you could run for office.
    8. My School In Indonesia Was Christian. LIAR–you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
    9. I Was Fluent In Indonesian. LIAR–not one teacher says you could speak the language.
    10. Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience. LIAR–you were there from ages 6 to 10 and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons?
    11. I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs. LIAR–except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
    12. I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion. LIAR–you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify-your classmates said you were just fine.
    13. An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office. LIAR–Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t–and never did–exist.
    14. A LIFE Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life. LIAR–LIFE has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t–and never did–exist.
    15. I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ‘08. LIAR–here you are, despite saying on live TV you would not have enough experience by then and you are all about having experience first.
    16. Present Votes Are Common In Illinois. LIAR–they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
    17. Oops, I Mis-voted. LIAR–only when caught by church groups and democrats did you beg to change your “mis-vote”.
    18. I Was A Professor Of Law. LIAR–you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
    19. I Was A Constitutional Lawyer. LIAR–you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
    20. Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill. LIAR–you didn’t write it, introduce it, change it or create it.
    21. The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass. LIAR–it took just 14 days from start to finish.
    22. I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill. LIAR–your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation-mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
    23. I Have Released My State Records. LIAR–as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
    24. I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess. LIAR–you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself in your books.
    25. My Economics Bill Will Help America. LIAR–your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
    26. I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois. LIAR–even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.
    27. I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year. LIAR–they were not YOUR bills but rather handed to you after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
    28. No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA. LIAR–the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
    29. I Am Tough On Terrorism. LIAR–you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.
    30. I Am Not Acting As President Yet. LIAR–after the NAFTA Memo a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.
    31. I Didn’t Run Ads In Florida. LIAR–you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks-and you still lost.
    32. I won Michigan. LIAR–no you didn’t.
    33. I won Nevada. LIAR–no you didn’t.
    34. I Want All Votes To Count. LIAR–you said let the delegates decide.
    35. I Want Americans To Decide. LIAR–you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote and only operate during small windows of time.
    36. I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate. LIAR–you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.
    37. My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend. LIAR–that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.
    38. I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics. LIAR–you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
    39. I Don’t Take PAC Money. LIAR–you take loads of it.
    40. I Don’t Have Lobbyists. LIAR–you have over 47 lobbyists and counting.
    41. My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad. LIAR–your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
    42. My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace. LIAR–Tom, who started MySpace, issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.
    43. I Inspire People With My Words. LIAR–you inspire people with other peoples’ words.
    44. I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate. LIAR–you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate– for Africa–which shows YOUR priorities.
    45. I Have Always Been Against Iraq. LIAR–you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you, Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.
    46. I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care. LIAR–your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.
    47. I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail. LIAR–both companies you cite as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.
    48. I Am As Patriotic As Anyone. LIAR–you won’t wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.
    49. My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country. LIAR–your wife’s words follow lock-step in the vein of Wright and Farrakhan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.
    50. WalMart Is A Company I Wouldn’t Support. LIAR–your wife has received nearly a quater of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to WalMart.
    51. Treehouse Is A Small Company. LIAR–the CEO of Treehouse–last year–made more than the CEO of WalMart, according to public records.
    52. University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair. LIAR–your wife’s pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!
    53. I Barely Know Rezko-Only 5 Billed Hours. LIAR–you have known him for 17 years and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had $300K taken off before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko’s wife buys the lot beside it that you can’t afford saving you $625,000.
    54. My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly. LIAR–you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko (first $66K, then when caught lying $86K, then when caught lying again $150K and now caught lying YET AGAIN OBAMA, it’s $250k) their money when publically called on their involvement in your campaigns.
    55. My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church. LIAR–your church is so extreme, the pastor who married you, Rev. Wright, just got done blaming the US for 9/11 and named Louis Farrakhan their person of the year.
    56. I Disagree With My Church All The Time. LIAR–you have yet to repudiate Wright, who married you and your wife and you still donate large sums of money to assist the church in furthering its message–hatred and revenge. In 2006 alone you donated $22,500 to the church you so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK-that sure is disagreement, Senator Obama.
    57. I Have Clean Connections Despite Rezko. LIAR–you are not only connected to Exelon and Rezko, you are also connected to Hillary PAC supporter Mr. Hsu AND an Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi, who ripped off people in the Food For Oil Iraqi deal. Seems Mr. Auchi may have helped Obama buy his million dollar property long before Obama had millions of dollars. Wonder what favors Mr. Auchi expects when Obama leaves Iraq free to be taken over by special interests such as him.
    58. I never heard sermons like Rev. Wrights, that have been in videos all day including YouTube. LIAR!–3 days later during your Mea Culpa BS speech you said, “Did I hear controversial statements while I sat in that church? Yes I did.”
    59. The Passport Invasion is a conspiracy to find dirt on me. LIAR–your own Campaign Foreign Policy Advisor is the CEO of the company that looked into your records. PS-You had them look into yours to hide the fact you looked into Clinton’s and McCain’s more than a year before!
    60. Rev. Meeks has nothing to do with my campaigning. LIAR–Rev. Meeks appeared in ads for your Senate Campaign, donated to you and helped raise money, then AND NOW. PS-He also seems to despise America .
    61. My wife didn’t mean America is ignorant, she was just using a phrase. LIAR–again, MicHELLe’s comments perfectly sync with Wright’s, Meek’s, and Farrakhan’s, both in language, anger, and direction.
    62. I am very Anti-Terror. LIAR–[03/30/2008] One of your good pals is long time radical and terrorist William Ayers, with whom you have been seen in the last 12 months and who has helped the now jailed Khalidi, Professor at Columbia who invited Ahmadinejad to the University, to raise money for Palestinian terrorism attacks against Israel. PS-Your church published a pro Hamas Manifesto - guess you weren’t there on THAT Sunday either? How lucky for you.
    63. I have the best plan to cure the Mortgage Crisis. LIAR–[03/30/2008] You and your campaign buddy Penny SubPrime Bank Collapse Prizker have had your little fingers full of subprime cash - Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans; Obama received $266,907 from Lehman; $5,395 from GMAC; $150,850 from Credit Suisse First Boston; $11,250 from Countrywide; $9,052 from Washington Mutual; $161,850 from Citigroup; $4,600 from CBASS; $170,050 from Morgan Stanley; $1,150 from Centex and last but certainly NOT LEAST-Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs. I am sure that cash all came from folks who knew the subprime loan they had was a dream, eh?
    64. I played a greater role in crafting liberal stands on gun control, the death penalty and abortion. LIAR–[03/31/2008] It was found that Obama-the day after sitting for the interview-filed an amended version of the questionnaire, which appears to contain Obama’s own handwritten notes added to one answer. Read Obama had greater role on liberal survey.
    65. I did NOT play the race card. LIAR–[03/31/2008] Obama was the first to play the race card. According to Philadelphia Inquirer, Quietly, the storm over the hateful views expressed by Sen. Barack Obama’s pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, has blown away the most insidious myth of the Democratic primary campaign. Obama and his surrogates have charged Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has deliberately and cleverly played the race card in order to label Obama the black candidate.
    66. I did not take money from oil companies. LIAR–[03/31/2008] THE FACTS: True enough, Obama does not take money from oil companies. No candidate does. It is illegal for corporations to give money to politicians.
    Corporations do, however, have political action committees that collect voluntary donations from employees and then donate them to candidates.
    Obama doesn’t take money from PACs. He also doesn’t take money from lobbyists.
    But he does accept money from executives and other employees of oil companies and two of his fundraisers are oil company executives. As of Feb. 29, Obama’s presidential campaign had received nearly $214,000 from oil and gas industry employees and their families, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.
    Clinton had received nearly $307,000 from industry workers and their families and Republican Sen. John McCain, the likely GOP presidential nominee, received nearly $394,000, according to the Center’s totals.
    Two of Obama’s fundraisers are Robert Cavnar, the chairman and chief executive of Houston-based Mission Resources Corp., and George Kaiser, the president and CEO of Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Co. Source: Associated Press via Yahoo News.
    67. I don’t think my church is actually particularly controversial, Obama said at a community meeting in Nelsonville, Ohio, earlier this month. LIAR–Yesterday, he told a different story. “Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes,” he said in his speech yesterday in Philadelphia .
    68. Look at my education record in Illinois. LIAR–In reality, Obama never really championed the local councils. He supported them behind the scenes and only eventually came out publicly on their behalf. When he did weigh in, he came down on the wrong side of the debate against protecting principals from unwarranted dismissals and in favor of keeping councils independent, no matter what.
    In the end, the resolution of the conflict between the two sides didn’t alleviate anyone’s concerns. Instead, it prolonged a turf battle that seems to have dragged down academic progress in the years since. Read more here http://www.slate.com/id/2188010?wpisrc=newsletter
    1. Obama claims special birth. Much more so than we might believe.
    Reports emanating from Africa allege his mother was in Kenya with his ARAB Kenyan (NOT Black Kenyan) father–this is clearly shown in Kenyan Govt. Registry documents which list the father as an Arab Kenyan–at a very late term of her pregnancy and was not allowed on a flight to return to HAWAII .
    She gave birth to him in Kenya , immediately got on a plane and then registered him as being born in Hawaii.
    2. He is NOT an African American but an Arab American and cannot claim African minority status, which by US Federal regulations require a person to have 1/8 (one eighth) of the minority blood (12%).
    From his mother he has 50% white blood, from his father he has 43.25% Arab blood and from his MATERNAL GRANDMOTHER he manages to hold onto 6.75% African or Black heritage blood.
    He has had to duck and weave all his life and use whatever lies he could use to even pass for black and the benefits this minority status provided. So even this, while understandable-is a documented LIE.

    Posted by: tofer david | Apr 23, 2008 9:55:14 AM


  22. Seanh

    intersting thing about "liberal"

    NIXON was more liberal than bush and mccain.

    NIXON opened up discussions with a country we were in a silent war with....CHINA (think Iran)

    Nixon started the EPA. The environmental protection agency. HELLO, the EPA that bush jr has tried to gut even of Reagan era regulations.

    Speaking of Reagan, he was even more liberal than bush jr. reagan himself would fail the litmus tests of the neo-conservatives

    Posted by: Jimmyboyo | Apr 23, 2008 9:57:44 AM


  23. Sean H.

    You are naive. Obama currently struggles with key voters. Obama cannot win a general election without these key voters.

    You must not understand the electoral college either. It is a different system than you seem to be familiar with.

    McCain will rehash Obama's flaws in the coming months in a way Hillary hasn't or hasn't been able to.

    I'd also add that Larry Sinclair ain't done yet either.

    Posted by: tofer david | Apr 23, 2008 9:59:56 AM


  24. Tofer

    You are naive

    All polls show that 63-73% of america does not believe a person over 70 can or should be president of the USA

    McCain is 72 and has not released his medical records.

    Just wait till the dems are done with our primaries and people actualy take a look at McCain.

    He can't win except a paid trip to the old folks home.

    Sorry, reality is knocking on your door

    Posted by: Jimmyboyo | Apr 23, 2008 10:07:31 AM


  25. Jimmyboyo--stop with the polls nonsense. People lie all the time when they are called to participate.

    Go out and talk to some people on the street instead of spending all day long on comment boards.


    Posted by: jmg | Apr 23, 2008 10:10:58 AM


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