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PFLAG's Meeting with Sally Kern: The Full 40-Minute Recording

PFLAG today released recordings of their full 40-minute meeting with Oklahoma State Rep. Sally Kern. Listen to PART ONE, above. Kern met with the group in late March in response to controversy, which is still ongoing, surrounding her remarks that gays are a worse threat to the nation than terrorists.

Kern2Following their meeting with Kern, PFLAG reported that Kern said that she agrees that gays and lesbians should not be fired from their jobs because of their sexual orientation. Later, Kern said that her views were misrepresented.

Said Kern to the Oklahoman after the meeting: "I unequivocally do not support sexual orientation laws."While I do not advocate employers going on a witch hunt to fire homosexual employees who are performing their jobs in a manner just like any heterosexual employee, I do not support laws that would force employers to check their First Amendment rights to freedom of religion, speech, and association at the workplace door.”

PFLAG disagrees, and says the tapes tell a different story:

"As the full 40-minute audio recording released this morning by PFLAG proves, Kern said not once (at about 15 minutes and 30 seconds in) that she does not believe GLBT people should be fired from their jobs . . . but she said it twice (again at about 33:15), confirming her stance when Rev. Kelly McCallie recaps the meeting near its end. And, when asked by Rev. Newton-Edwards if she would consider attending future PFLAG meetings to hear from other families in her district, Kern says - almost joyfully - 'maybe.' She even says - when asked if she and her husband will join a PFLAG supporter for dinner - 'Sure!' In fact, if you look at PFLAG’s characterization of the meeting last week, and Kern’s version of the encounter in the local press, there is no question that Sally flat-out lied to reporters."

Listen to Parts 2, 3, 4, and 5 AFTER THE JUMP...

From the Office of Sally Kern [pflag]

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An Update on the Anti-Gay Sally Kern Saga [tr]

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  1. Those religious nuts seem to spend a lot of time with their eyes closed. They should try opening them once in a while.

    Posted by: LD | Apr 9, 2008 10:11:18 AM

  2. If the tape show her saying "she does not believe gay people should be fired from their jobs," that's not the same as supporting a non-discrimination law.

    Posted by: PistolPetey | Apr 9, 2008 10:25:11 AM

  3. Funny how she can break one of the ten commandments and then try to use her religiosity against us. Hypocrite.

    Posted by: Matt | Apr 9, 2008 10:30:15 AM

  4. Pistolpetey- PFLAG didn't say that she supported legislation, they said that she agreed that gay people shouldn't be fired from their jobs. Kern is the person who lied about the conversation-- sounds like she's a coward when forced to defend her views to the faces of the people she compares to terrorists (or their parents and friends). She only has nerve to spout her hate to the choir.

    Posted by: Jeff | Apr 9, 2008 12:10:02 PM

  5. Jeff - where's the lie to the media, that's what I'm trying to figure out.

    My reading of what she said to the media seems in harmony with what she said to PFLAG: she doesn't think gays should be fired, but she apparently doesn't have any problem if employers do, in fact, fire their gay employees.

    Posted by: PistolPetey | Apr 9, 2008 1:13:04 PM

  6. Pistolpetey- She also said to the media that PFLAG had twisted her words, which it doesn't appear that they did.

    Posted by: Jeff | Apr 9, 2008 3:19:08 PM

  7. Sally Kern is a liar and a coward and has no integrity. That's pretty much all anyone needs to know about her.

    Posted by: sam | Apr 9, 2008 3:30:10 PM

  8. Jeff --

    Ok, I agree, that is a lie. Thanks!


    Posted by: PistolPeteyPetey | Apr 9, 2008 4:57:11 PM

  9. she's either a liar or a senile old bag. either way, she shouldn't be in power.

    proof exists for these liars, cheaters, and hypocrites in power. yet nothing happens. what is wrong with this world?

    Posted by: anthony | Apr 10, 2008 12:50:47 PM

  10. Maybe if she prays hard enough, God or whoever will take all her pain away. The question is will Oklahoma vote her out when her term is up?

    Posted by: Mike | Aug 7, 2008 1:34:45 PM

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