Comments

  1. davefromtampa says

    Ain’t buying it Patti, it’s all about the money. LCR’s don’t want to pay taxes to help fund lazy people who don’t want to help themselves. That’s all they are about.

  2. Frank says

    Agreed, Yoshi. (That Jimmyboyo guy is pretty extremist.)

    The LCR is not doing its job. If their goal is to reform the GOP from within, and change their attitudes about homosexuality, how does this endorsement do that? It just undermines their credibility with the outside world, and eliminates any respect from antagonists within the party.

    These guys need to be fighing like hell for gay equality, and each time they are challenged on it by Christianists and other haters, the LCR should be declaring its support for other Republican principles and showing how anti-gay policies are incompatible with them.

    Ignore the far lefties. Reform the GOP — that’s your mission. It will benefit everyone.

  3. excy says

    “The platform is largely symbolic…the day after its passed people don’t pay attention to it” Excuse me! “I agree with 90% of what the Republican party supports” Excuse me again! “We need fiscal responsibility” Yikes!
    I just cannot wrap my mind around a group of homosexuals that support this crap. They obviously have been wearing blinders for the past 8 years. So depressing.

  4. Hephaestion says

    Log Cabin Republicans have now shown that they have no shame – and no self-respect either. Sarah Palin’s attendance at a viciously anti-gay church alone should tell them to oppose McCain/Palin. And they are betraying our gay soldiers by enabling McCain to continue to fuck them over.

  5. John says

    I think the LCR endorsement of McCain is a net loss for McCain. Are the people whom McCain is seeking to woo by selecting Sarah Palin more or less likely to come out and vote for him because of the LCR endorsement? I think the LCR endorsement scares more votes away than it attracts. So, pragmatically I think it hurts McCain. If LRC thinks they are helping anyone, including themselves, they are in a very small minority.

  6. Jimmyboyo says

    Yoshi & frank

    so be it

    You can play games with your lives if you wish.

    The repubs are playing culture wars and you want to sit around playing tidly winks

  7. SARGON says

    I attended the Equality Form in Philly a few months ago and Patrick Sammon was a featured speaker on the Political Panel. Although I admired his amazing ability to argue and counter argue his viewpoint – even when faced with growing dissent – in the end it is futile. LCR’s endorsement is pointless as is their entire existence.

  8. Vi Agara says

    All of you on here, do you agree that gay rights have advanced further in the last eight years under Republicans, than under the eight years of Clinton and Democrats? You keep trying to make this a party thing, its not. Its a movement that rises above political parties and it going to keep going forward. Even with the crazed extreme religious right as hysterical as ever. This hysterical negative energy is what helps us progress. It propels the cause. Very few citizens are zealots. Zealots turn people off to thier message. Fred Phelps has helped us immeasurably.
    When they are out of the spotlight, the progress slows.
    Vote who you think is, after all the dust settles, the best for the country. Don’t throw your vote away on promises that won’t matter. In my mind, Obama is racist, unqualified, unamerican, socialist, hypocrite, demogouge and extremist. I don’t care if he says he is for gay rights, he and his party always say that, and don’t do a damn thing about it once elected. I’m voting for the candidate and party that will protect our country, our businesses and not tax us to death and consort with our enemies.

  9. Sean says

    They continue to use the tactic of fear to get votes, is all the same old fucking story. Please get out and VOTE people! This is your country and we need ALL our votes to stop HATE and DISCRIMINATION.

  10. gordo says

    People like ViAgra are depressing but very easy to make fun of. Just ask them to define “socialist”. Invariable they can’t, must less define the ways in which they support and believe in a form of it in this country. Specifically those parts that benefit them personally.

  11. So Left I'm Right says

    Vi Agarra, That is easily the most moronic comment I have ever seen on this (or pretty much any other) site. Gay rights have advanced further under Republicans? What planet do you live on? That is demonstrably false in so many ways, I’m not even going to bother, because you are obviously just a racist piece of shit who has made up his mind to ignore facts and reality in order to live in your own perverse little world.

    By all means, vote for whomever you want.
    Every single characterization you made of Obama is a massive projection of what your party exemplifies in every way, every day.

    Man, I was going to comment about the LCRs, but I won’t even offend them by calling you out for being a member. They may be stupid, but their not hateful and utterly ignorant.

    The worst I can say about LCRs is that they have the credibility of an “ex-gay”.

  12. Kevin says

    VI AGRA, I think those people who live in states where amendments have been passed in the last 8 years that outlaw same sex marriage and civil unions might disagree with this advancement you speak of. As far as protecting the country goes, the people responsible for attacking the World Trade Center the first time (1992 – Clinton years) were captured. The people who leveled it on 9/11, killing 3000 people and nearly killed my partner (so I take it extremely personally), have not been. The country is in it’s worst financial situation since the Great Depression. And this is the only time the country has been at war and people at home have not been asked to sacrifice.

    Our safety, security and economy will lie heavily on the energy policy and foreign policy of the next administration. Why? Because if we can get off of our dependency on oil, we can extract ourselves from Middle East issues. And if we can create “green” jobs and get back to be a nation that values innovation, we can free ourselves of our debt to China.

    It’s amazing to me that people are still trying to tag Obama as a racist because of words said by his pastor that were taken out of context (surprise, Obama’s former church has more than a few members who are White) but don’t hold McCain or Palin to the same standard. While he was not my first choice, Obama has the nomination because he managed to create a movement that truly is inclusive. McCain has said that he is basically anti-gay as is his running mate and their policies will reflect that. Real inclusive.

    I say to everyone, cast your vote for whom you see fit. That is the greatness of this country. If your vote is for McCain because you feel with age, comes wisdom, or feel safe with a Veteran at the helm or just simply don’t like Black people, great but please stop using the “Obama is racist” or “the Republicans will keep us safe” excuses because they are just that, excuses.

  13. peterparker says

    RB,

    What on earth is there for a homosexual to love about Sarah Palin?

    Palin opposed the Alaska Supreme Court’s ruling that the State of Alaska give spousal benefits to the homosexual partners of state employees. Jesus, RB, she tried to keep homosexuals, people ostensibly just like you, from having access to insurance, medical care, etc…that would normally be available to any partner of an Alaska state employee!

    Palin went even further by saying she would support an amendment to the Constitution of the State of Alaska that would overturn the Alaska Supreme Court’s decision that mandated benefits for partners of GLBT state employees. She supported a constitutional amendment to marginalize faggots, RB! Jesus H. Christ, how much more heinous does it have to get for you to see that this woman hates people like YOU!?

    Palin opposed expanding hate crimes laws to include homosexuals, saying that every crime is based on hate. That’s all well and good in theory, but a daily reading of this blog should convince anyone that, unlike the vast majority of Americans, faggots and dykes and trannies are targeted simply because of who we are and that inclusion of homosexuals as a protected class in hate crimes laws might stem the tide of violence against us.

    Palin has stated that she supported a ban on allowing GLBT citizens in Alaska the right to marry. In others words, Palin doesn’t believe GLBT families deserve the same protections as the rest of the citizens in Alaska.

    How on earth can you say you love this hateful shrew who has marginalized your GLBT brothers and sisters?

    RB, I’m glad you live in Georgia, a state that voted to disallow GLBT couples from enjoying any legal recognition of their relationships. I hope your support of politicians who helped that happen comes back to bite you in your ass. I hope you die alone in a hospital because your partner is barred from visiting you because he isn’t recognized as immediate family thanks to these Republican hatemongers that you support. I hope you or your partner has to sell your house because, thanks to the Republicans you love so much, you and your partner don’t enjoy tax laws that allow the deceased member of a married couple to transfer property to the surviving spouse without the surviving spouse having to pay tax to the IRS. I hope you lose your insurance benefits and have to suffer sub-standard medical care because you are unable to access benefits from your partner’s employment, just like those Alaska state employees that were not supported by your beloved Palin. I hope that when your partner dies, his family swoops in and decides exactly what will happen to his body and what funeral arrangements will be made because you won’t have any legal right to do that thanks to the Republicans you support. I hope one day you are made to testify in court against your partner because, thanks to the Republicans you love so much, you aren’t able to marry each other and thus don’t enjoy the privilege married people have of immunity from testifying against each other in a court of law.

    I know my words sound harsh, but I am sick and tired of reading your words of support for politicians who oppress us. You are fucked up, RB. Completely and totally fucked up.

    peterparker

  14. Bakeley says

    Peterparker wrote: ” I hope you die alone in a hospital because your partner is barred from visiting you because he isn’t recognized as immediate family thanks to these Republican hatemongers that you support.”

    Jesus, man. You’re all heart, aren’t you?

  15. St. Theresa of Avila says

    Why does Towleroad bother even featuring LCR? What’s the point? If Fred Phelps ran as a Republican from Kansas, they would support him. Until they do something newsworthy, like dissolving from lack of membership, let’s move on to something really important, like how Levy done clean up real nice like. (sarcasm)

  16. David says

    I choked on my drink and water came out of my nose when he used the “fiscal responsibility” line. Yeah Republicans sure are ones to talk about fiscal responsibility. If he really cared about fiscal responsibility, he should be looking to people who know how to balance a budget.

  17. Bosie says

    LCR are CRAZY….They say republicans support gay marriage and equality ??? are you kidding me ? aren’t they the ones tryign to make us 2nd class citizens? let me get this str8 ….hasn’t it been 8yrs of Bush ? Patrick Sammon how do you sleep at night? How much money you get pay to speak lies ?? SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU….You are a PIG! this is the LGBT community you are selling, these are the people that accept you and you go turn your back on us to make money ? greedy PIG!~

  18. Mike Shackleford says

    I’m sick of reading about these LCR trust-fund snobs. Can’t we just send them to the dust bin of history? Meanwhile, where is Anne Coulter? Is no one suprised that she has been off the radar for the past few months?

  19. Jimmyboyo says

    RB

    really?

    You do know what a community organizer is, right? (noun verb Guilliani and Palin both mocked community organizers)

    List of things community organizers do

    1- check on the elderly and make sure they have food and bills are paid

    2- get kids from non church families to church on sundays

    3- organize crime watch

    4- get out the vote

    Uhm, a reporter who read the transcripts said “there is something that is going to ruin them. I don’t want to say what it is because they might remove it.”

    Bet what that was?

    The attack on comunity organizers = their own base!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! majority of community organizers are church folk who organize to help their community of church folk

    Jesus himself (as an atheist = a myth BUT) a community organizer

    They showed themselves to be typicaly out of touch. They don’t get anything about the common folk

    add in that the focus groups are saying “too sarcastic”

    Going to go out on a limb here……. negative bounce after repub convention.

    :-)

  20. Jimmyboyo says

    PS

    PTA members are considered community organizers

    organize non pta families of students (the majority) to help students and schools, raise money for sports equipment, new books, etc.

    ROFLMAO

    So out of touch that they don’t realize they shot themselves in the foot condemning their own freaking base sitting at home saying “hey mabel, didn’t you organize the community last week to paint the pastor’s widow’s house?”

    LOL

    Bye bye repubs

  21. Eric says

    I agree with his last point – “ultimately, it would be impossible to achieve [gay and lesbian rights] unless there’s support from both Republicans and Democrats”. Unfortunately, the LCR doesn’t put their money where their mouth is. By supporting McCain, they do exactly the opposite from what they say they want.

    Also, anyone who wants the free market in health care is, at best, misguided.

  22. will says

    I can’t understand this. With their record on ANY gay rights the republican party disagrees. How can any person side? It makes me wonder if its just about their own exposure….. so sad for all of us…Do they realize? How sad for them to meet secretly and not make if publicly. Damn……Leaving your own?

  23. peterparker says

    BAKELY,

    I don’t know how often you read this blog, but RB frequently posts here. He identifies as a Republican and can usually be counted on to chime in defending Republicans, the very same people who are responsible for continuing the discrimination and oppression of LGBT Americans. I think he deserves to experience the worst of the same misery he is helping perpetuate for other queer folk when he supports hatemongers like Palin.

    xo,
    peterparker

  24. chadnnocal says

    Boycott all LCRs. After a few years with dick, they will soon change their tune. It shouldn’t be that hard, they are all pasty, out of shape, middle aged white guys anyway.

  25. Greenpoint Guy says

    I couldn’t disagree with Samson and the LCR any more than I do. But, hurling insults at him is pointless.

    For standing up for our rights within the Big Tent of hate, he’s showing more balls than most of us.

  26. says

    I first heard of gay republicans in San Francisco in 1977. There were several gay candidates running for supervisor in the district that Harvey Milk ran. Kevin Wadsworth, was one of them and his campaign brochure had himself drapped with American Flags. His meetings with supporters took place in mansions. They were known as California Young Republicans, before they changed their name to “Log Cabin”. I’m willing to bet you that most of their members today are rich and white, and own their own home or business. I doubt that any “Log Cabin” member ever received food stamps!

  27. Alex says

    every time I hear a “market based approach to healthcare” I want to go postal. I was uninsured for years and lived in fear of getting a cold. I am pretty much tied to a job I hate just for the benefits. It’s practically slavery. Healthcare is not a commodity.

  28. RB says

    Peterparker, typical! More of your typical hate spewing speach. While I hope that you stay in California, I would never hope ANY of things that you wish for me.

    I am amazed at the LGBT community and the things that have been said about Palin here! She has been called a bad mother for not staying home with her special needs child. A bad mother because she was not at home and her daughter got pregnant! Are you kidding me! Where are the feminist? Why are they not just as outraged as I am at her treatment?! The media has been so sexist is makes me sick!

    Let me get this straight, Palin should stay at home, be barefoot and pregnant! Is that what I am hearing from the magic left? Is that how the “liberals” feel women should be treated? How dare she achieve the American dream because she is a woman! How dare she “go to work” outside the home, be successful because she is a mother. Really, are you hearing this crap? Talk about sexist crap from the LGBT community?

    This woman has an approval rating of 86% as a governor! Name ONE other elected official OR community organizer that has an approval rating that high. Name just one. Obama doesn’t enjoy an approval rating that high in Illinois!

    I have said many times that I do not support abortion. Yes Peterparker, I post regularly and I have been consistent in my posts. I have personal beliefs that I cannot get past. I cannot listen to Obama say that if his daughters were to get pregnant he would not “burden them with a mistake”! I have NO respect for him and will not support him. How many times do I have to say what I believe in before you get it? I know what I believe in and what is important to me and NO not all of my beliefs include lower taxes so I can be “get rich”.

    Afterall, regardless of the tax code, rich people do things that make themselves richer and poor people do things to make themselves poorer. The difference between dems and repubs is we do not try to protect people from themselves. We do not believe that the masses are so stupid they cannot think for themselves. You are so much a one issue voter that you cannot see daylight or the real world! You have not idea how Obama and Pelosi’s energy policy is destroying the working class with gas prices they cannot afford! Yeah, I think I know what it is like to live at the lower end of the financial chain than you do. I have the things I have in life because I worked for them. We were poor and I never forgot that! No, I would never wish your list of plagues on you and I am ok with you wishing so for me. It is typical of your “character”.

    Take care

  29. CK says

    Well, Patrick Sammon, I hope John McSame did not make too much of a mess while you were kissing his ass… UGH!! LCR’s make me sick! They say on their website: “Alaska Governor Sarah Palin can help Sen. McCain win this election by appealing to independent and young voters. She’s a mainstream Republican who will unite the Party and serve John McCain well as Vice President. Gov. Palin is an inclusive Republican who will help Sen. McCain appeal to gay and lesbian voters.” What kind of drugs are these fools on? There is NOTHING mainstream about this rabid barracuda, and she is CERTAINLY not a friend of gay people (her record speaks for itself if you would care to review it, idiots!), I don’t know where they got that from… probably pulled it out their asses to make room for their heads…

  30. Tucker says

    LCR’s are self loathing fags.. it all boils down to that. I personally know two of the higher ups in the organization and they both tried to commit suicide in their teens. Now they are in their 30’s and still havingh trouble dealing with there homosexuality. They can’t afford higher taxes because their shrink bills are so high.

  31. Disgusted American says

    SHUN ALL LCR’s fellow LGBT people…..SHUN them…exclude them in every facet of LGBT life…let’s see if they can COZY up further to the GOP!! SHUN THEM! ….and IF somehow some doomsday scenerio EVER happens for LGBT Americans (Under GOP rule) ..let’s make sure ALL LCR’s are FIRST in go to INTERMENT camps/Gas chambers!

  32. says

    RB:
    I have said many times that I do not support abortion. Yes Peterparker, I post regularly and I have been consistent in my posts. I have personal beliefs that I cannot get past. I cannot listen to Obama say that if his daughters were to get pregnant he would not “burden them with a mistake”! I have NO respect for him and will not support him. How many times do I have to say what I believe in before you get it? I know what I believe in and what is important to me and NO not all of my beliefs include lower taxes so I can be “get rich”.

    You post this and you dare accuse the left of sexism? Let me ask you this, WILL YOU EVER GET PREGNANT? I think not (I assume you’re male). I don’t think if one has a penis one can even presume to tell a woman what to do with her uterus. If I think about any of the women in my life faced with an unwanted pregnancy and no ability to safely make a choice that will AFFECT THE REST OF THEIR LIVES (and these are smart, intelligent women with rich and vibrant careers), it makes my blood boil. I think it’s analagous to any politician telling me who I can or can’t have sex with, love or marry.

    Secondly, the left does not dislike Palin because she’s a woman, but it’s because she’s a conservative, creationist, bible-thumping, warmongering, anti-environment, homophobic, anti-choice politician.

    Sarah Palin has brought her oh-so-commendable motherhood skills to the table and has touted her neanderthal anti sex-ed views . . . and I’m sorry, once you do that and then PARADE YOUR PREGNANT TEENAGE DAUGHTER, honey, the gloves are off. She brought this scrutiny upon herself.

    I really hope she has a run in with a pregnant polar bear in the Alaskan wilderness sometime soon.

  33. RB says

    Alex, do you have children? Are you a parent?

    When we discover that being gay is actually genetic, and we will, how long do you think it will take for a “test” to be developed? How long do you think it will take for all of those “bible-thumpers” as you call them to line up and abort their babies SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY?! It will be like the Chinese having a girl…Nope, GOT TO GO! Then, and only then, will the LGBT community take note of abortion!

    Again, Alex, are you a parent?

  34. says

    I am not a parent and I don’t plan to be and therefore that is why I believe that women should have a CHOICE.

    And if Bible thumpers start aborting their gay babies, WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THEM? Seriously.

    Plus, being gay will never be linked to genetics, because NEWS FLASH, human sexuality is a complex amalagam of biological and sociological influences and NEWS FLASH not everyone develops the same sexuality in the same way.

    Anti-choice politicians are often the same people who will support denying a woman contraception at a pharmacy. It is not about saving babies, it is about telling women what to do with their bodies–which is all about having as many white heterosexual Christian Republican babies as their vaginas will allow who will grow up to work at multinational corporations because that’s what’s good for Amerrikuh.

  35. Michael Bedwell says

    Commandment #11: Thou shalt not attempt to reason with gay Repugnants. They are beyond reason. Anyone exuding the unmistakable stench of self-loathing and solipsism always is.

    Commandment #12: Thou shalt not befriend gay Repugnants. Friendship requires affirmation and altruism which, in the final analysis, the self-loathing and the solipsistic are incapable of. As they are the friend of your enemy, trying to be “open minded” about them, “agreeing to disagree,” makes YOU a co-conspirator in your own second-class citizenship and victimization. Or do you often invite serial killers to dinner? Alternative actions include: shunning them generally and using every opportunity that presents itself to reduce them to the isolated, primitive species that they are. Call them out among mutual acquaintances as the vile, parasitic, queer Quislings that they are. Refuse to stand or sit anyone near them in gay bars and other public places. Post flyers with their photos everywhere you can, labeled UNWANTED. Refuse to hire them. Fire them. Etc., etc. After all, it’s your Constitutional right.

  36. says

    Silly kids

    Can’t you see it’s has nothing to do with being gay. That is just a part of who we are (i.e. blue eyes, curly hair, etc.). We should be worried about our taxes going to the wrong causes. And the war should go on until we can say that Iraq is a safe Democratic government. We should put aside our homosexuality until the country is… Ouch (wait is my brain hemorrhaging.)

    In reality, though I understand LCRs platform, unfortunately their own party doesn’t and won’t. It’s like dating someone on the down low. They use you but don’t love you. They are like dogs at the feet of very cruel masters. They get kicked but still lick their masters face.

    But then again they could be doing for publicity, knowing it would cause an uproar in the gay community.

    Until Republicans can make homosexuality a non-issue instead of making it a divisive tactic, LCR should abstain from endorsing them until they can get those changes made from the inside.

  37. says

    Silly kids

    Can’t you see it’s has nothing to do with being gay. That is just a part of who we are (i.e. blue eyes, curly hair, etc.). We should be worried about our taxes going to the wrong causes. And the war should go on until we can say that Iraq is a safe Democratic government. We should put aside our homosexuality until the country is… Ouch (wait is my brain hemorrhaging.)

    In reality, though I understand LCRs platform, unfortunately their own party doesn’t and won’t. It’s like dating someone on the down low. They use you but don’t love you. They are like dogs at the feet of very cruel masters. They get kicked but still lick their masters face.

    But then again they could be doing for publicity, knowing it would cause an uproar in the gay community.

    Until Republicans can make homosexuality a non-issue instead of making it a divisive tactic, LCR should abstain from endorsing them until they can get those changes made from the inside.

  38. Christopher says

    There’s really only one sane response to the LCR. Stop fucking its members! Left to their own ranks they will soon become horny enough for some strange that we can hold our dicks two inches from their mouths until they repeat “I am not now and never will be again a Republican fuck-tool, I am your fuck-tool, daddy.” Then shove your dick so far down their throats that they can’t speak to the press without juggling your balls.

  39. Michael says

    RB,

    when will you realize you’re on the wrong side of the culture war simply by virtue of being a homosexual? That you have kids? Irrelevant. That you’re a Republican with “conservative” values wont matter a whit. Who will you stand with when the right is whipped into such a frenzy that they lose all sense of logic? Will you stand with them against us? Would they even stand with you?

  40. MJH says

    One more time for RB and the LCR’s. McCain has pledged to appoint Supreme Court Justices that will effectivly end our hopes for equality in this lifetime. When you pledge your vote for that, you become nothing less than a traitor to your race.

  41. MJH says

    One more time for RB and the LCR’s. McCain has pledged to appoint Supreme Court Justices that will effectivly end our hopes for equality in this lifetime. When you pledge your vote for that, you become nothing less than a traitor to your race.

  42. le_sacre says

    yeah, seriously guys. our best, fairest judges in the supreme court are the oldest. the honorable 88-year-old justice Stevens making it through another the next 8 years is even less likely than 4-time-skin-cancer survivor John McCain making it.

    yes, we’ve had great strides in gay rights during Bush’s terms–*despite*, not because of, republicans. our big successes have been marriage equality in massachusetts and california (which the republicans criticized and want to undo with the federal marriage amendment), and spectacularly in Lawrence v. Texas, in which the supreme court ruled it’s unconstitutional for gay sex to be illegal. that case was close enough. the justices who ruled in favor of freedom and equality for all are now aged 68, 70, 72, 75, and 88.

    honestly, i don’t know which thought scares me more, McCain choosing their replacements, or Palin being a heartbeat away from choosing their replacements.

  43. peterparker says

    RB,

    I am in Berlin where I have been for the past week. I really don’t know what intelligent Americans, who you refer to as ‘liberals’, are saying about Palin besides the snippets I’ve read here, on cnn.com and on nytimes.com.

    But just to be clear, I never took her to task for staying home to raise a child, nor would I. I also never suggested that she is/was a bad mother. The only thing I’ve criticized about Palin are her views on how homosexuals should be treated in our society (though, frankly, her positions on almost every other important issue make me equally sick to my stomach).

    And finally, RB, you say that my wish for you to suffer shows my lack of character. If a lack of character is shown by wishing the same sort of suffering that has befallen one’s brothers and sisters onto those who have aided their suffering, then I will happily stand accused.

    peterparker

  44. RB says

    Jason (A), I do have a gay liberal brother but I have not been posting at C&L. My brother finally posted for the first time a couple of days ago under the name DCB. I have copied a couple of posts from earlier threads that got buried and few read.

    Being the brother of RB, I would have to say this is one of the few times that we would agree on things. I think the family should not be brought into it the mix. However, Sarah Palin herself and her stance on the issue of teen pregnancy is not. Palin should have known that having a 17 year old daughter that got pregnant would have ramifications once it was known.

    Posted by: DCB | Sep 3, 2008 10:03:37 AM

    Yes, Nick, DCB is my younger brother and he is gay. This is his first post on Towleroad. He is a great guy and I love him dearly. He has always been gay, as have I but he never dated/married a woman, and he is more liberal than me. Actually, much more liberal than me! But then again, he is not a father. This is deeply personal to me. The right wing thinks I should not be a father and the left wing is spewing venom at a child that is wrong. I understand the desire to protect your children. Come on, this is just wrong!

    However, he will be the first to step up and say that however conservative I am, however republican I am, I am not a closeted self hating person. He actually will tell you that I blew the doors off the closet when I came out. Having said that, I did not leave my brain or beliefs behind. This is a 17 year old kid! She does NOT deserve the crap that she is taking. She, and her siblings are NOT running for election. THEY ARE OFF LIMITS PERIOD!

    I do not agree with anyone’s assertion that abstinance will work. I do believe in realistic sex education. However, having been raised in an extremely conservative household and one of three children of a Southern preacher I still hold on to some of those teachings. I have often asked my brother if we were actually raised in the same house because we are so different.

    Kids should be kids! Jimmyboyo, I have two ages 6 and 11 and my partner has one age 8 and if anyone came at them because of my actions I would shred them! I know that my brother would do the same. He may actually feel my concerns through his neice and nephew. He is very close to my kids and understands. If I chose to run for public office they should remain off limits! I would say the same regardless of party. OFF LIMITS!

    My God does anyone here understand? It is very hard to parent children these days. Having the vitriol being served here makes it damn near imposible! Attack Palin all you want but calling her daugter a “whore” as one here did is as wrong as any evangelical calling us a faggot! Yes it happens, but it is still wrong!

    Having said that, love you bro, even when we disagree! You are the best.

    Sorry for typos…I was excited to finally see my brother posting and was typing very fast!

    Posted by: RB | Sep 3, 2008 5:34:48 PM

  45. says

    “Love, love, love Sarah Palin! “What is the difference between a hockey mom and a bull dog”…lipstick! Go get em Palin!!!”

    Tell me one more time. What exactly do you love about her? Besides her bull dog attack instincts? (You hate them from the “liberal” media but love them from her, funny.) You do realize that the people Sarah Palin would like to “get” is me and YOU. If she had her way, your family and your partnership would not exist. And yet you celebrate this? And go apeshit criticizing the media for attacking her poor children (which is being vastly exaggerated) when Sarah and most everyone cheering for her would sweep away your family in a heartbeat? I get why homophobes and religious zealots love her, but I really don’t understand how any gay person could voice support for someone so clearly against us.

  46. peterparker says

    RB,

    Gay citizens in Germany enjoy the legal right to a civil union recognized throughout the country and most of the EU. They can adopt each other’s children. They have the same inheritance rights as heterosexual citizens. They can refuse to testify against one another in court. They have the same tenants’ rights as heterosexuals. A foreigner who is legally joined to a German citizen can apply for citizenship. On top of that, they enjoy quality health care provided by the government, can get around the country via trains which are more efficient and ecologically greener than the car dominated United States, and don’t really have to worry much about religious nut extremists who would seek to legislate them into second class citizen status a la the Palins and Bushes of this world. I’d *love* to move to Germany.

    peterparker

  47. RB says

    You must be in that “other Germany”. Apparently, the Germans do not necessarily agree with you Peter…

    Thousands of gay and lesbian Germans and their supporters demonstrated for gay rights on Saturday in Munich’s annual Christopher Street Day parade.

    German citizenship test goes into effect (1 Sep 08)
    The Left closing in on the SPD (27 Aug 08)
    German by choice (20 Aug 08)
    Green Party Chairwoman Claudia Roth called on the German federal government to put gays and lesbians on equal legal footing with heterosexuals during a speech in the city’s central Marienplatz.

    “We are a long way from our goal,” Roth said, calling for the government to close gaps in laws relating to legal partnerships, adoption and taxes.

    Roth accused conservative Christian Democrat Chancellor Angela Merkel of being “chancellor of the heteros.”

    “Do something,” Roth said to applause from a crowd of several thousand.

    Christopher Street Day is an annual celebration to commemorate the beginning of the gay rights movement in New York City in 1969.

  48. Bill Perdue says

    There’s no doubt about it. The Logheads are retarded right wingers who support a right centrist party that’s prowar, antiunion and do all they can to push the GLBT communities backward.

    But so are the supporters of the bigot who won’t stop saying how much he and god oppose same sex marriage, Obama. So are the supporters of Obama who plans on staying in Iraq, ramping up the murder in Afghanistan and invading Pakistan. So are the supporters of the Democrats who codified military bigotry with DADT and voted overwhelmingly for it and DOMA and who refuse to repeal them, and who gutted ENDA and threw the hate crimes bill overboard so no one would think they were LGBT-friendly. And to erase all doubt Obama forbids mention of the GLBT communities in his platform.

    On November 4th vote for the union led and financed US Labor Party (if it makes it past the Democrat’s (sic) roadblocks). If not vote for socialist or communist candidates as a protest or join the scores of millions who sit it out because they’re smart enough to refuse to vote for the lesser bigot, the lesser warmonger or the lesser evil.

  49. says

    RB: Re Germany, yes, they still have a few things to work on, but they’re mostly ahead of us, as is much of Europe on marriage rights.

    We are ahead of much of Europe on adoption rights.

    We’re all ahead of Russia, and Russia is ahead of Iran, etc.

    But the Republicans, ESPECIALLY Palin, I might point out, would try to set us back. As a true religious right winger, she’s even worse than McCain. I can see that in the glee of the fundies on wingnutdaily. They’re frothing at the mouth. Why any gay person would join THAT crowd is beyond me.

    And Bill Perdue, as usual… your portrayal of the Democratic party is not much more factual than that of the Republicans, the one taken apart by the AP story. And if everyone here voted for the Labor Party they would only assist in a McCain victory. (Remember Nader in 2000? Does anyone doubt that if he didn’t run we would not be in the current hideous mess?) Though I would encourage any and all LCRs to vote that way!

  50. RB says

    Where are you my little spidey friend? Did I scare you with the real version of Germany? Let’s set the record straight Peterparker. Germany actually tried to eliminate us along with the jews. They are not as forward thinking as you would like to claim. Great country no doubt. Love the people, especially my own East German!

    I suppose that I should own up to the fact that my partner is actually German. East German arian to be exact. His parents came to this country to escape the country that you view so highly. They actually taught him to say bathroom, in the car on the way to kindergarten as he spoke no english. Actually I should feel bad calling BS on your little “plot” to make Germany your personal garden of eden but yet I do not.

    Again, stay there. And as always, take care.

  51. RB says

    “Plus, being gay will never be linked to genetics, because NEWS FLASH, human sexuality is a complex amalagam of biological and sociological influences and NEWS FLASH not everyone develops the same sexuality in the same way.”

    Well, Alex, you have said it all! Gay is NOT inherent and we can all be CHANGED to straight! We CAN be cured! I am so thankful that you have brought that to all of our attention.

    What the hell ever. Did you bump your head? Were you drunk when you posted that crap? I am gay. I tried to change and it failed miserably. I have always been gay and I cannot be “changed”! And I am the self hating closeted piece of crap. Really, crawl back under that rock!

  52. GOBUCKS says

    RB:

    I don’t see where you link Alex’s comments to saying you can be CHANGED. He didn’t say anything close to that.

    He was simply saying that human sexuality is not BLACK AND WHITE. It’s gray. (Or, perhaps, a rainbow!) There are many factors that come into play to create Who You Are. There Social & Biological factors that vary from person to person. Once that is factored in you can’t CHANGE or deny who you are.

    Your post came across as reactionary, defensive and bizarre.

  53. DCB says

    Yes Jason(A) RB has a gay brother that is more liberal, probably a hell of lot more. We also have a younger brother (that is straight) and doesn’t agree with us on many issues. He tends to differ alot on financial and medical issues with my older brother, where I tend to differ with my older brother on social issues. I also differ on financial and medical but not to the extreme that our younger brother does. We were all brought up by the same two parents, who hold different views than the three of us.

    Having grown up with RB I understand why he leans to the more conservative side. Do I agree on his choice to vote repub, No. He knows how I feel and we come to some very course words from time to time on certain issues. My other half has even asked my older brother to explain his decision to vote repub.

    I have asked relatives and friends, that are gay, why they vote rebup and they have good valid reasons why they do. I just don’t agree with the majority of the reasons they give me.

    With that being said I wouldn’t say that voting democrat is the complete best choice, just the better one for me during this election.

  54. RB says

    I have to say that I have a ton of respect for my younger brother, DCB. He never took the route that I took. He never questioned what he was. He was different, we fought, but in the end we stood together. I respect our differences and appreciate his sacrifice. While I was trying to be something I was not, he was busy being who he was. For that, I am totally amazed and proud!

    To his partner, my brother-in-law, I am happy that you are family. Hope you guys have another 50 years together! Love you guys…..take care.

    And yes, I am the only repub in the family….gay or straight!

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