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Joe Biden Expresses Opposition to Prop 8 on 'Ellen'


Joe Biden taped an episode with Ellen yesterday to air on Monday during which he reportedly expresses opposition to Proposition 8, the measure that would ban same-sex marriage in California. He repeated his opposition at a campaign fundraiser later in West Hollywood:

"At the event, Biden told IN Los Angeles magazine journalist Karen Ocamb that he opposes Proposition 8, which would ban same-sex marriage in California. He had just finished taping an episode of 'The Ellen Show' that will air Monday, and expressed his opposition to the measure to host Ellen DeGeneres. At the vice presidential debate with Sarah Palin, Biden said that he opposes same-sex marriage. Obama holds the same position, but also has said he opposes Proposition 8, citing the fact that it would write a restriction into a state constitution. Biden plead with the crowd gathered at the $500-per-person fund-raiser at the Pacific Design Center to talk to their friends and family and 'make the case for us.' ... 'There's a great deal at stake, so my plea to you is, we have less than three weeks to go, so this is the time to focus like we never have before.'"

Last night, Biden appeared on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. Watch a clip of his appearance, AFTER THE JUMP...

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  1. I love Joe the Senator! His personal beliefs do not cloud what is right for the country. I wish more politicians would live up to his example.

    Posted by: Rad | Oct 17, 2008 11:19:17 AM

  2. Oh look, is that Ellen doing nothing for YOU again?


    Posted by: marc | Oct 17, 2008 11:33:23 AM

  3. I agree with RAD. Aside from the occasional gaffe, I have always felt that Biden is actually the best person to be President.

    Posted by: Dan B | Oct 17, 2008 11:38:21 AM

  4. Hey all you Log Cabin Republicans reading this. Maybe you should watch just in case Sarah Palin comes along too. Oh wait thats not going to happen since she just tolerates you.

    Posted by: Shan | Oct 17, 2008 11:39:41 AM

  5. How nice of Joe to oppose same sex marriage and then be against Prop 8. Mixed messages anyone?

    Posted by: Roscoe | Oct 17, 2008 11:55:52 AM

  6. As someone who has voted for, volunteered for and donated to the Democratic Party for the last 17 years it will be a sad day for me on Nov. 4th when I vote for the Green Party. Both Obama and Biden s opposes Proposition 8 based only on the fact that it would write a restriction into a state constitution and not because they support Gay Marriage. Living in California I cannot vote for anyone politician who doesn't believe in my right to marry. I've recently canceled my monthly autopay donation to the Dem Party.

    Posted by: Joel | Oct 17, 2008 12:05:03 PM

  7. Short-sighted much, Joel?

    Oh well, you live in CA, so it's not like your vote for president matters anyway. But I'm sure crazy Cynthia McKinney will be glad to have it.

    Posted by: 24play | Oct 17, 2008 12:09:29 PM

  8. As disappointed as I am with Obama and Biden's lack of support for gay rights, I'll still vote for them.

    A vote for anyone other than Obama is a vote for McCain. Plain and simple.

    Posted by: Roscoe | Oct 17, 2008 12:15:01 PM

  9. Joel, I doubt a comment here will change your mind, but to others - FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND have a chance in hell to win.

    Posted by: John Bisceglia | Oct 17, 2008 12:20:03 PM

  10. Plus we know how much the GOP loves us gays. At least the Dems don't use us as bait to rally the vote. That and it's clear how Palin tolerates us.

    Posted by: patrick nyc | Oct 17, 2008 12:29:53 PM

  11. i love biden and obama, but i don't get why they don't stand up for us one minute, then stand up for us in a diluted way the next. it's disappointing that it's on constitutional grounds that they oppose prop 8.

    Posted by: seriously | Oct 17, 2008 12:49:36 PM

  12. Joel, why don't you write in Jorg Haider?

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Oct 17, 2008 1:01:00 PM

  13. Yeh, Joel, you go ahead and do what millions of others did in 2000, vote Green. So what? That only gave Bush fils the White House, resulted in the deaths of thousands of Americans and Iraqis, nearly bankrupted the world, further destroyed the environment, and, lest we forget, stirred up such a tempest of homohatred that marriage equality has been constitutionally banned in nearly 20 states.

    Those with a roaring righteous indignation hardon like you are FAR more dangerous than our proclaimed enemies, because throwing away your vote makes you their accomplice.

    It was clear months ago that marriage equality was not a dog that would hunt in this election. I've been involved in gay activism for decades and know that it is ultimately the US Supreme Court that will resolve the issue of marriage equality, and if you're willing to give the choice of who will fill the upcoming vacancies on the Court to John McShame—Trolodytes who most certainly would vote against it [remember McShame doesn't even support domestic partnerships], because those appointments will be for LIFE—don't wait until November 4th—kill yourself now, fool!

    Speaking of gay fools: still waiting for that announcement of the $67 Million Lesbian Ellen writing a check instead of more of this soft sell which does NOTHING to offset the viscious lies saturating California TV airwaves.

    Pretty pathetic when a poor boy like me has given more to NoOnProp8 than she has. She probably spends more on dog and cat food in a year than my pre-tax salary.

    Forget the puppies! Can't you hear the gays crying, Clarise?

    Posted by: Leland Frances | Oct 17, 2008 1:03:41 PM

  14. Marc --- I think by promoting her very public wedding and creating a vehicle for someone like Joe Biden to express his disgust for Prop 8 is doing much more than your dollars and negativity will ever do for gay rights.

    Tearing a hero down. Must fill a whole somewhere in your soul.

    You have no idea what or how she may have donated in an anonymous fashion.

    But we do know she is doing this.
    Marc --- what have you done that you can point us to ??

    Posted by: RJP3 | Oct 17, 2008 1:06:46 PM

  15. I think sometimes the only reason I come to towleroad is because of an everlasting hope that Leland will post a comment.

    It should be a requirement that he comment on every item on the site...even the ads.

    Posted by: Mike_in_Lancaster | Oct 17, 2008 1:17:03 PM

  16. RJP3

    My comment was sarcastic you dolt.

    Posted to the whiny bitches who keep blasting Ellen for not doing anything about Prop8

    Try to keep up will you?


    Posted by: marc | Oct 17, 2008 1:23:43 PM

  17. A Log Cabin Republican is now in charge of No on 8. We're doomed.
    But seriously why such the guilting of queers to support No on 8? I'm going to vote no and I donated money, but this is not a life a death situation. This is not like the Briggs initiative in the 70's that would have cause queers to lose their jobs. Prop 8 isn't really about equality it's about semantics because even if it fails gay marriages will STILL not be recognized federally, people! You still wont be able to file joint federal taxes and god forbid one of us has a 'husband' that is not a US citizen. It won't help for immigration. State gay marriage is basically a moot point untill it is recognized FEDERALLY.

    Posted by: Mr. E | Oct 17, 2008 1:44:33 PM

  18. RJP3, MARC and other ELLEN APOLOGISTS,

    YOU CANNOT MAKE AN "ANONYMOUS" CONTRIBUTION TO THE NO ON 8 CAMPAIGN. STOP SPREADING THIS FALSEHOOD! State campaign finance laws require all donors to provide, name, address, occupation and employer -- and that then becomes public record.

    No one is unappreciative of the things she has done; however, we are SHOCKED that, as a lesbian with SIXTY-SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS who just got married, Ellen has not stepped up and given a mega-contribution to help keep her marriage legal.

    AND AGAIN, for the umpteenth time,

    Why, pray tell, would ELLEN make a 'private' contribution? Especially if she isn't scared to support the campaign with a PSA, blog post, etc.? PLEEEEEASE, someone present a credible argument, if you have one.

    What the fuck? Is she saving every penny for that Sixty-EIGHT million-dollar mansion she's had her eye on?

    She is not so stupid as to not know that her $1 MILLION-PLUS donation would be an immense PR help, and unbelievable fundraising and volunteer recruiting catalyst for No on 8.

    She is just not doing her part, and it saddens me.

    RJP3 & MARC: What are YOU doing to help defeat Prop 8, besides shamefully defending Ellen's SHAMEFUL INACTION??

    Posted by: SHOWMETHEMONEY | Oct 17, 2008 1:51:26 PM

  19. I think I love Leland!! Leland do you have a blog, that would be priceless I'm sure. Keep up the good work.

    Posted by: Bruce | Oct 17, 2008 1:55:10 PM

  20. Actually, you are quite wrong about that.

    Our very own Leland Frances admitted yesterday that he contributed under a different name. As well, Perez Hilton (not his real name, duh) appears on your precious public records.

    Posted by: crispy | Oct 17, 2008 2:03:15 PM

  21. Reality Recap For Ellen's Puppies:

    1. The law forbids any anonymous donations.
    2. Yes, she could launder the donation through someone else's name but:

    a. What the fuck would be the purpose of her doing that? She's out of the closet, personally, and verbally against Prop 8.
    b. It would be stupidly counterproductive of her to do it for whatever reason because she's smart enough to know that hoi polloi are inspired by the donations of celebrities to give themselves.

    3. No one's trying to "tear down a hero." With wealth and influence comes responsibility. SHE has recognized that herself and has chosen to use it for other causes:

    a. She and Portia hosted a huge fundraiser at their Bel Air estate for Prop 2, the animal care initiative, and she was all over TV about that [local news; Extra; Entertainment Tonight, etc.]
    b. She's recorded telephone messages to be used to raise awareness about cancer. Imagine what a bang the phone bank calling No On 8 could get if she did the same for them? Why hasn't she? Does she have to be asked?
    c. Have you forgotten the notorious nervous breakdown on air that she had over who would get to keep a puppy? Isn't our and her ultimate civil right even half as important to justify her time, her resources, her wealth, her tears?

    4. There's as much argument to be made that IN ITS VACUUM her publicized wedding HELPS Prop 8 as much as it might hurt it. Face it, most voters are stupid. They read about her getting married and deduce that option is inalterable for all of us going forward. They see the frightening "The faggots are coming! The faggots are coming! Bar the church door! Lock up your children! Vote Yes on Prop 8!" ads and assume that is only about stopping "the homosexual agenda."

    Her "soft sell" about 8 is the equivalent of putting flowers in the barrels of the enemy's guns.

    Let's dance.

    Posted by: Leland Frances | Oct 17, 2008 2:04:35 PM

  22. P.S. Fuck you, MR. E.

    Are you leading the charge to get gay marriage recognized at the federal level?

    Oh, you're not? So, what would you say are some catalysts that might help sway public opinion and move the country towards wider acceptance?

    I myself would venture that having gay marriage fully legalized in the largest state in the country would be a fantastic catalyst. (Especially when the sky doesn't come crashing down on us afterwards.)

    Thank god we have come so far since the 70's and the Briggs initiative. That's because people didn't listen to nattering nabobs such as yourself, and were actually proactive in taking these steps towards full equality.

    Tell all the 11,000-plus people married here in California so far that Prop 8 is about "semantics".

    Better yet, come over to West Hollywood on Saturday morning, where hundreds of volunteers will be working to defeat Prop 8, and tell them that it's a "moot point."

    And then turn around and run, because there will be an angry mob behind you to run you the fuck out of town.

    Posted by: SHOWMETHEMONEY | Oct 17, 2008 2:07:05 PM

  23. CRISPY,





    You can give up to $99 cash, in which case the donor slip you fill out could potentially have a different name than your own.

    Otherwise, you are giving a CHECK or CREDIT CARD information WITH YOUR NAME ON IT.

    Next thing someone is going to say is that Ellen set up an off-shore corporation and contributed through a Swiss bank account so nobody would find out!

    Posted by: SHOWMETHEMONEY | Oct 17, 2008 2:15:55 PM


    Don't drag me into your stupid game just becuase I made a sarcastic comment about Ellen doing absolutely nothing to the whiners who keep on whining.

    My contributions to society are none of your business, and I don't have to prove anything to you.

    I'm glad you're fired up, angry and passionate about prop 8, but get off your horse!

    How can you go about demanding things from people?
    Are you like that at work and home too?

    Must be a high-blood pressured life you live.

    Posted by: marc | Oct 17, 2008 2:18:13 PM

  25. Oh, I haven't suggested that she did or should make an anonymous donation. I was just pointing out that no matter how much you use all caps, you are still wrong.

    Try being less shrill. Your message might be better appreciated.

    Posted by: crispy | Oct 17, 2008 2:28:58 PM

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