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Bill O'Reilly Trying to Pit Gays Against Blacks

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Bill O'Reilly would love nothing more than to see two minority groups going at each other's throats. Sorry, Bill.

Let me repeat a quote from Reverend Irene Monroe, which I posted here yesterday.

Monroeroad.jpg Reverend Irene Monroe in the Huffington Post: "The present-day contentious debate between black and queer communities concerning what constitutes a legitimate civil rights issue and which group owns the right to use the term is both fueled and ignored by systemic efforts by our government that deliberately pits both groups against each other rather than upholding the 13th and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution that affords each of these marginal groups their inalienable rights. While it is true that the white LGBTQ community needs to work on its racism, white privilege, and single-issue platform that thwart all efforts for coalition building with both straight and queer communities of color, the African-American community needs to work on its homophobia."

And Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight has a very good post on the voting statistics that debunks many of the myths about who voted and who didn't.

The fact is, gays and straight allies are protesting outside Mormon churches because the LDS church funded Proposition 8 to the tune of $22.88 million, nearly 80% of its total funding, and demanded its members (even its out of state members) contribute toward the overturning of civil rights for gay and lesbian Americans.

AND: A recently-discovered document shows that the Mormon church began plotting its strategy to stop same-sex marriage at least eleven years ago.

And the Mormon church's anger has placed the focus on the lack of civil rights for LGBT Americans in this country, and THAT is where the focus must and will soon turn.

Watch O'Reilly, AFTER THE JUMP...

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  1. Note: comments in this thread meant solely to attack others or inflame the thread and limit civil discourse will be deleted.

    Posted by: andy | Nov 12, 2008 10:28:26 AM


  2. Yup, O'Reilly is trying to start some sh*t between gays and blacks. Hope both sides don't fall for it. And since it's on FOX you can bet Sean Hannity will start his harping soon.

    Posted by: G | Nov 12, 2008 10:30:27 AM


  3. Whats even sadder about this is that from what Ive been reading on this blog,some gay people are going against blacks.I happen to be black/puerto rican AND GAY and the kind of bitterness Im seeing in some white gay men is utterly disgusting.YOU CANNOT blame one race for homophobia,this shit is EVERYWHERE.Im getting pissed with some other gays because they insist on believeing that the only gay people out there are White.What about blatinos,blacks,latinos,asians,italians,and jewish gay men.What I see is that its much easier for these guys to blame someone else other than themselves because they dont wanna take responsibility for the fact that they failed us all.NOT BLACK PEOPLE.If you wanna go down the "pointing finger" road blame all anti-gay str8 people,there are many many many out there and they are NOT only black.Acting as if you dont care about the numbers and prefer to blame all black people for not getting our civil rights just proves that some white Homos are just as racist as the white trash in this country.Ive seen it through out the entire election and Im still seeing,reading,and hearing it now.I have heard the gay community in California is segregated and thats fucking disgusting.Im so glad I live in New York City.

    Posted by: Get Jazz | Nov 12, 2008 10:30:37 AM


  4. Yup, O'Reilly is trying to start some sh*t between gays and blacks. Hope both sides don't fall for it. And since it's on FOX you can bet Sean Hannity will start his harping soon.

    Posted by: G | Nov 12, 2008 10:33:00 AM


  5. P.S. All Im asking here,is for people to chill out with the racist comments.As I said in another blog post in the gay community no matter if we are white,black,blatino,latino,biracial,asian,jewish,
    christian,short,tall,skinny,fat,male or female we are all gay and we are all in this together,stop the finger pointing and lets get to work.

    Posted by: Get Jazz | Nov 12, 2008 10:34:13 AM


  6. ...QUEEN please STFU...you may be gay but your little sideways comment is NOT funny to me...don't worry, your poor lil' butt would not get kicked at the black church 'cuz nobody would be there...they would have smelled your ASS coming...you stink!

    Posted by: yeahisaidit | Nov 12, 2008 10:35:33 AM


  7. First, there will be no targeting the AA community directly in these protests, just the churches who encouraged their members to join in on the campaign supporting Prop 8. (most specifically the MORMAN Church)Yes, it is true, the gay community has work to do with the AA community, but there are so many other factors that contributed to the passing of Prop 8, including the gay community itself. It is time we (the gay community) take a step back and re-evaluate what just happened. I believe the protesting is a great first step, but there is so much more work to be done and blaming any of it on the AA community is incorrect. Bill O should be ashamed of himself for trying to get the two communities riled up toward one another. I hope Keith O sees this and rips him to shreads tonight on Countdown.

    Posted by: Scott | Nov 12, 2008 10:41:04 AM


  8. Exactly the point I was attempting to make on another thread before I saw this one. (The Colbert Report had a more palatable and funny take on the same thing.) The right wing would love nothing better than to turn this into gay vs. black distraction, so by continuing this inflamed racial rhetoric (it's been a week now) instead of moving on, we're basically doing exactly what the Bill O's of the world want us to do. Maybe he'll finally be the one to make us lay off the racial finger pointing. Cause who really wants to be acting as a Bill O missionary?

    Posted by: Ernie | Nov 12, 2008 10:51:10 AM


  9. The Mormon opposition to marriage goes back even farther than 1997: when Hawaii became the first state to rule that it was unconstitutional to deny marriage to same sex couples on the basis of gender, it was the Mormons who overwhelmingly funded the opposition that led to the constitutional amendment in that state.

    1993 -- they've been at it 15 years!

    Posted by: Kevinvt | Nov 12, 2008 10:51:14 AM


  10. For all of CA's progressive politics, it remains very segregated. The racism that this has brought out in CA's gay community is disgusting and counter productive. You bet the far right is loving it and stocking up on video footage to use against us in the next battle.

    Posted by: ML | Nov 12, 2008 10:51:19 AM


  11. SCOTT please, there were people calling the AAs the N-word in the crowd.

    people are BLAMING the blacks because it is easy to do. the political analysts are making up numbers. and how come there was ONLY one poll done (CNN), i have never seen any other situation where only ONE poll is used for analysis.

    also, why are minority gays and lesbian not represented in the gay community? why is it that ALMOST all the ads used featured ONLY white people? where was the outreach to the minority groups. the only ad that featured a black person was the SAMUEL L. Jackson ad and he was even in it.

    forget that only 6% of the population in california are blacks, and MOST old, religious people voted for it, and forget almost ALL republicans voted for it.

    blame the blacks and any other minority group.


    since we are talking about the analysis of ONLY one poll, i also also in the CNN poll than ONLY 50% of voters in san Fransico voted. if 100% had voted the proposition could have failed, that is my assumption, since everybody is making one these days.

    Posted by: johnnosahon | Nov 12, 2008 10:55:55 AM


  12. The people who voted are all adults and made their own decisions. Blaming the people who funded ads sounds an awful lot like right-wingers blaming movies and hip-hop music for violence and promiscuity.

    If Prop 8 had failed, would you feel it right for religious fanatics to aggressively go after a small group of individuals who provided funding to defeat it? Or would you say that the people had voted and that this was what American citizens wanted, so those who were unhappy with the result should get over it?

    No law that exists solely to take away other people's rights should be allowed to stand, so this should be defeated in the Supreme Court, not through the use of the same bullying tactics that homophobes have used against us for years.

    Posted by: Paul C | Nov 12, 2008 10:59:21 AM


  13. We should remember that the very first legal gay marriage between two men in the USA was between David Wilson and Robert Compton, a bi-racial couple.

    The reason Prop 8 passed was because of religion crossing the line between church and state by preaching politics through the pulpit....not racism.

    Posted by: Patrick | Nov 12, 2008 11:00:48 AM


  14. just a correction to my previous post...

    David Wilson and Robert Compton are not a bi-racial couple, but an interracial couple.

    Posted by: Patrick | Nov 12, 2008 11:02:54 AM


  15. P.S. No surprise that Bill and the guest he allows to speak (while typically talking over the one who makes sense) are wrong on the main things. The point of protesting religious institutions is not to attack their beliefs, it is to attack them for trying to INFLICT their beliefs on our lives. (If they weren't trying to manipulate our lives with their beliefs, we'd have no reason to protest.) Targeting the Mormon Church instead of "black churches" is because that's where the money and power is, stupid. What he's labeling "PC" is, in reality, an appropriate protest strategy that doesn't suit his political inclinations. And, finally, blacks were not the deciding factor any more that white Republicans were. This cherry-picking of who put 8 over the top is so transparently bogus, yet people buy it.

    Posted by: Ernie | Nov 12, 2008 11:12:04 AM


  16. Paul C, you're entire post is correct -- you are one of the sole voices of reason here... bullying tactics will backfire for sure for it will only strengthen the opposition's resolve and faith that they are right...

    .... and yeahisaidit, i thank you dahling, people just may deduce from your post what i was trying to say and the reason i was censored by andy... you know i speak the truth... just some people can't deal with it...

    Posted by: the queen | Nov 12, 2008 11:12:14 AM


  17. I don't think I could EVER agree with someone who is a "culture warrior"

    but Margaret Hoover keeps trying to keep the facts straight, but she won't agree with O'Rilley because he "isn't right" and like she said "they are protesting everyone who voted against them".

    And WTF does it make sense to not protest Churches because they are preaching, BUT we should be protesting Black churches...oxymoron.

    Thank you Margaret Hoover for being someone who wants the facts out there, I'm sorry you'll probably be fired from Fox News now. I can only hope that you get a job at a real news channel.

    Posted by: Nick | Nov 12, 2008 11:13:48 AM


  18. Bill O'Reilly is an anti-gay bigot.

    There is nothing I want more than for him to meet his end.

    Posted by: Rob | Nov 12, 2008 11:20:23 AM


  19. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/11/ED33141MLU.DTL

    Posted by: David | Nov 12, 2008 11:23:19 AM


  20. Okay...
    So Margaret Hoover, though a bit skewed in her "facts" is at least trying to keep things civil. I feel that she's shooting Bill down for his transparent tactic.

    We are protesting not those who voted for Prop 8, but those who funded and made hateful biased commercials. Churches are included in that sorry to say.

    But it also doesn't help that "No on Prop 8" didn't have a focus in the "persons of color" communites.
    It's nice that we are becoming unified now, but it would've been nice if it happened before the election...the outcome might have been different.

    Also, protesting is not a bullying tactic. But telling people your children will be forced to do something they might be opposed to...THAT is bullying.

    Posted by: Nick | Nov 12, 2008 11:30:23 AM


  21. From Beezo Blue's blog:

    "I've always had a bone to pick with white gays who are always eager to equate the Gay Rights Movement's struggles with those of the Civil Rights Movement. I believe that this is fundamentally wrong for obvious reasons. One is that both movements do, and have indeed fought for civil rights, and have heroes who have fought for us and who have, in some instances, made the ultimate sacrifices in order to be heard. The second is that race and sexuality are two very different identifiers, though. They are both states of being, but one has the decision and ability to repress and downplay one's sexuality. Not so with race. You can't cover your skin before you walk into a job interview, apply for housing, or even catch a cab.That said, white gays are able to enjoy all of the advantages of the majority in this society, in terms of income levels, housing and jobs, whereas blacks cannot. It's just that simple. And just as blacks could be accused of homophobia and in some instances, racism, so can the white gay community.

    Take a look at a typical gay white enclave in any major city. Tell me what you see. Most likely you'll see an affluent strip or neighborhood filled with cafes, restaurants, lounges and clubs and gyms which cater to mostly white patrons. Not that people of color are not welcome, well, sort of. But there is definitely a difference between NY's Chelsea and the black and Latino communties of Upper Manhattan and the outer boroughs of New York City, for instance. While the minority community does include people who enjoy a certian level of economic success, and there are definitely areas where whites are not particularly welcomed, but that would most likely pertain the diversity of the areas as whole - and not a specific gay area. I believe that the main distinction between the two is privilege and access to education and means. And I wonder how many trust fund babies were present at those protests? Yes, we could all make it if we try, but even with our new President, things are not going to change right away for some of us. Though we can expect some change, it won't happen overnight, and the same people with the same attitudes, political positions and cultural perceptions will still be responsible and in charge of our police departments, corporations, prisons, real estate rental offices, etc. The same can also be said about gay marriage. The vast majority of this country is comprised of caucasians with strong religious values, no? Who are you really fighting against? Yourselves? Please choose your adversaries wisely.

    Look, I'm all for the inclusion of all cultures into the fabric that makes up our society at large. That means equal rights for African Americans, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders, and the rights of dogs, cats, bunnies and gophers for that matter, but please stop it with the racist and homophobic bullshit against other cultures while claiming to want the same respect and rights for your own. It's counterproductive, to say the least.

    And take a good look in the morror, while you're at it."

    'nuff said.


    Posted by: banjiboi | Nov 12, 2008 11:33:59 AM


  22. This is exactly why we need the fairness doctrine. It will take tools like O'Reilly off the air. Yeah it will probably limit free speech but i'm willing to give up some free speech to stop hate speech.

    Posted by: Matt | Nov 12, 2008 11:43:41 AM


  23. For the love of god! COLOR IS THE FUTURE. Will the gay community make the same mistake Republicans are making by not visibly and loudly reaching out to communities of color thereby ensuring the death of their agenda?

    Posted by: TheCitizen | Nov 12, 2008 11:46:08 AM


  24. @ Cassius

    That was VERY mature. The petulant and pettiness of your remarks have revealed the very hypocrisy you claim to abhor. Not to mention your own reliance on "statistical sophisty".

    Please.

    Either look more deeply at different shades and nuances of this issue or, as your last statement seems to imply, take your toys and leave the sandbox.

    Posted by: banjiboi | Nov 12, 2008 11:55:01 AM


  25. Please delete Cassius' post. He's trying to feed the fire, thats all.

    Posted by: TheCitizen | Nov 12, 2008 11:56:29 AM


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