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L.A. Gay & Lesbian Center Prop 8 Town Hall Meeting Playback

Listen to the Proposition 8 Town Hall meeting that took place at the L.A. Gay & Lesbian Center last night, AFTER THE JUMP...

With

Lorri L. Jean (Chief Executive Officer, L.A. Gay & Lesbian Center)
Geoff Kors, (Executive Director, Equality California)
Rev. Eric Lee (President/CEO, Southern Christian Leadership Conference Los Angeles)
Shannon Minter (Legal Director, National Center for Lesbian Rights)
Steve Smith, (No on 8 Senior Campaign Consultant, Dewey Square)

L.A.-based journalist Karen Ocamb, who moderated the town hall, reported that Amy Balliett, (Founder, Join the Impact) and John A. Pérez (Assembly Member-elect, California’s 46th District), could not join the town hall, Balliett because of a "last minute Thanksgiving work issue," and Pérez because of "last-minute budget meetings."

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  1. I doubt any one from the Center will read these comments, and I doubt they will be forwarded on to them BUT in the unlikely chance that they are, I STRONGLY object to the comments about lack of "Out Reach" to anyone, Black, Brown, Green, Blue. As others have said, Jews were not given any special attention and THEY voted against discrimination, why did other people of minority status vote FOR discrimination? As was said at the meeting, EVERY time a vote is put up regarding LBGTQ rights it FAILS, regardless of outreach efforts. We could have Out Reached to the Moon and failure would have been likely. What poisoned the Minds of voters was the Radical Religious Extremists. The LBGTQ Center and those making the ads for TV and Radio wanted to be polite, sweet, kind, gentle, noble, honest, take the moral high road, not offend anyone, and otherwise just be timid. Gay citizens lost civil equality in part because of that timid stance. Time to get offensive and rude and play the game by the UGLY rules that are set in the political game. But as with the Black Civil Rights fight, it was the courts and Judaical Activism that brought equality, not a popular vote.

    Posted by: Sargon Bighorn | Nov 26, 2008 8:54:07 PM


  2. I listened to it last night, live, and found it very informative. It does show that a lot of mistakes were made, that they had to play 'catch-up', however, as expected, they took no blame themselves. Lesson's learned, now it's time remain aware and awake and not fall back into oblivion. There are many hurdles that have to be jumped, and not just in California. Although that is center stage at this point, there are other states and referendums in the wings that ALL of the LGBT Community has to get behind, even if it is not your state or country. This has to be a vocal, strong, peaceful fight for rights! I may have disagreed with this site at times in the past, but it is one of the best to be informed. Stay tuned, as the Towleroad staff keeps us aware of what is up and coming.

    Posted by: CB | Nov 26, 2008 10:13:48 PM


  3. I am sure they mean well, but, I feel they're time is over.

    Just like our so called "leaders" in the black community, these folks are yesterday.

    I have blogged about these people myself , so, i won't take up too much space ranting here, however, they truly have no clue.

    Posted by: Derek Washington | Nov 27, 2008 1:15:59 AM


  4. @DEREK WASHINGTON,

    "... they're time is over."

    "they are time is over.", that's what you are saying.

    with all due respect....

    Posted by: nic | Nov 27, 2008 6:10:42 AM


  5. The gay community has been atrocious regarding Prop 8. It has played this politically correct game of not wanting to offend the bigoted elements within the black community. Hence, it has protested against the Mormons but left unscathed the bigots in the black community. Such correctness demeans and ultimately destroys the gay rights movement.

    Posted by: jason | Nov 27, 2008 7:01:35 AM


  6. Jason... Please don't blame the blacks, blame their religion. Religion is at the heart of the bigots, be they black, white, Mormon, or Christian. Religion championed Prop-8. Race is not the target for blame. Keep your eye on the ball!

    Posted by: hangten | Nov 27, 2008 7:45:08 AM


  7. I also think an ad should target Conservatives' and Libertarians' hypocrisy. These people's mantra is "the less government interference the better"... so WHY are they in favor of passing new laws in 30 States? When you see Libertarians or conservatives voting for Prop 8 or similar measures, the hypocrisy is mind-boggling.

    Pierre Trudeau, former Canadian Prime Minister, when he de-criminalized homosexuality in 1968:
    "THE STATE HAS NO BUSINESS IN THE BEDROOMS OF THE NATION"

    Why do Libertarians not follow this, their own logic?

    Posted by: Strepsi | Nov 27, 2008 8:51:33 AM


  8. NIC,

    Ooops, you are correct.

    Look Ma, no contractions!

    Posted by: Derek Washington | Nov 27, 2008 9:33:39 AM


  9. what a bunch of losers! Questions screened by the editor of the local gay rag with more escort ads than articles.

    Couldn't face the music and have a real town hall meeting, eh? What a surprise...

    Posted by: David B. | Nov 27, 2008 9:58:36 AM


  10. Hey, who let batshit crazy, racist, HIV-denialist Jason out of his box? I thought our favorite Aussie turd was banned from Towleroad in perpetuity.

    DEMAND AN END TO THE INSIDIOUS LIBERAL BISEXUAL DOUBLE STANDARD!!!!!!!!

    Posted by: 24play | Nov 27, 2008 11:54:32 AM


  11. Am I watching too much gay tv/movies ...this reminded me of the town hall meeting in QAF where Justin and his friend form "The Pink Posse" to defend themselves. Well, yippee kayaa, the bigots won, now that the majority have enshrined bigotry isn't it time for a Prop 8 posse ? "Outreach"? "Outfuckingreach"?

    Posted by: Hephaistion | Nov 27, 2008 4:37:23 PM


  12. @Jason:

    The Mormons have a centralized church.

    There is no Church of Black, as Stephen Colbert deftly pointed out.

    Mormonism is an inherently patriarchal and homophobic ideology so it is safe to protest the entire church. Even if there are a few Mormons who aren't homophobic, they are breaking with long established tradition and dogma, and don't represent the mainstream religion.

    Black is a skin color. There is nothing inherently homophobic about being black.

    Do ya see the difference yet Jason?

    And last I checked everyone IS pissed off at the blacks who voted for prop 8, myself included. But I'm not going to let that turn me into a racist and protest all black people, especially when I know plenty of black people who aren't homophobic, and even more especially that gay people of color are hurting twice as bad by all this as us honkies.

    Posted by: Eshto | Nov 29, 2008 1:19:04 PM


  13. Although the entire prop 8 vote was a bunch of bullshit, we as the gay community have to take some repsonsibility. The image of what the gay community is embedded so deep in some peoples minds that they can not wrap their brain around the concept of us being just like everyone else. Lets look at Pride parades for example. What pride was suppose to be about has turned into a circus. Insted of talking about the issues, all people sitting at home only see the big, over the top drag queens, or the leather guys in their chaps with their asses hanging out, etc. There is a time and place for everything and I totally disagree with the way many pride parades represent themselves. Its as if we have developed our own sterotypes and now we dont want them back, or for us to be labeled by them. Imagine a pride parade where everyone just wore their everyday drag, and said " Hey, I am just like everyone else! " Of course it would help our cause if all the gay actors, pro athletes, politicians, neighbors, friends, if people would just be brave and come out, people would have to take a second look at us as people. If you come out of the closet, do not be scared, I will be there to support you and hold your hand.

    Posted by: carl dinsmore | Nov 30, 2008 12:19:54 PM


  14. Although the entire prop 8 vote was a bunch of bullshit, we as the gay community have to take some repsonsibility. The image of what the gay community is embedded so deep in some peoples minds that they can not wrap their brain around the concept of us being just like everyone else. Lets look at Pride parades for example. What pride was suppose to be about has turned into a circus. Insted of talking about the issues, all people sitting at home only see the big, over the top drag queens, or the leather guys in their chaps with their asses hanging out, etc. There is a time and place for everything and I totally disagree with the way many pride parades represent themselves. Its as if we have developed our own sterotypes and now we dont want them back, or for us to be labeled by them. Imagine a pride parade where everyone just wore their everyday drag, and said " Hey, I am just like everyone else! " Of course it would help our cause if all the gay actors, pro athletes, politicians, neighbors, friends, if people would just be brave and come out, people would have to take a second look at us as people. If you come out of the closet, do not be scared, I will be there to support you and hold your hand.

    Posted by: Carl Dinsmore | Nov 30, 2008 12:28:56 PM


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