News: Yes on 8 Files to Nullify Marriages;Ken Starr Joins Team; Jerry Brown Tells Court to Throw it Out

When you want to bury news you announce it at the end of the day Friday. When you really want to bury it, you do it the weekend before Xmas. (Wasnt’ that in Wag the Dog?). Anyway….Kennethstarr_scary

road.jpg Yes on Proposition 8 folks file three lawsuits in California including one to nullify the 18,000 marriages last year.

road.jpg While at it they confirmed earlier rumors, announcing Kenneth Starr, currently Dean of Pepperdine Law School, is joining their legal team. Starr brings some of the best experience around if you’re looking to waste tons of money on creepy investigations into private lives not in the public interest. Starr also currently represents Blackwater on the side of the Bush Administration in that case about our private contractors killing Iraqui civilians.

road.jpg  In a "dramatic reversal" California Attorney General Jerry Brown urged the state supreme court to overturn Proposition 8 (Link via Wockner)

road.jpg  Speaking of Kenneth Starr the organization formed solely out of frustration with his investigation of the Clintons, Move On, turns 10 years old and claims 4.2 million supporters. They released results of their massive membership vote today, announcing new post-election focus will be on  universal health care, the economy and jobs, fighting climate change and ending the war in Iraq. Gay rights came in 8th. Many have worked for decades to get universal health care to the top of our national agenda. Full results here.

road.jpg  And be sure to Join the Impact’s Light Up The Night in a commercial district near you, Saturday night.  Send your pics from the event to us for posting at our tips at towleroad.com address. If you have a bunch zip them and send em on. We’ll post in the coming days. Links to video also welcome.

Comments

  1. John in CA says

    Wow indeed.

    Jerry Brown, and by extension Arnold Schwarzenegger, has just given us a huge Christmas present.

    I don’t think I can recall a Supreme Court case where the government tells the judicial branch to invalidate a law that’s already on the books. This is almost unheard of in common law jurisdictions. It is a once in a generation occurrence. Typically, the state will defend all statutes (even really awful ones) to the end of the appeals process.

    The executive branch is basically telling the court: “we don’t even want to enforce this crappy legislation.” Now there’s some change we can believe in!

  2. says

    They may have wanted to get it in under the radar, but it won’t last. In fact, this may be a bit of a gift for us — at least until we’re all robbed of our newlywed status. The move to annul, Jerry Brown’s flip-flop (cynical political move that it is not withstanding), and the Rick Warren mess — I don’t know, that kind of sounds like a perfect storm for Obama at least…there’s no chance that the RW debacle is going away now (as for disagreeing with out being disagreeable, is there anything more disagreeable than moving to invalidate the marriages of 36,000 people a week before Christmas?).

  3. Brandon says

    I hate to throw cold water on this, but this is just the beginning BECAUSE these judges have to run for reelection. So even if they rule Prop 8 unconstitutional, there’s going to be a fight to keep the court progressive enough not to overturn the decision later.

    To paraphrase Yoda: a present you say. No. Reignited, the culture war is.

  4. Rob in Massachusetts says

    Why do I, instinctively and uncontrollably, find homosexual men to be disgusting beyond words?

    Why do I find just the thought of having another man make any kind of sexual contact with me to be an unfathomable nightmare?

    Why, from the time I was a small boy to the present, has effeminate behaviour by men, gay or not, illicited a knee-jerk response in me that is violent in nature?

    Why, when I was raised to be “tolerant” and was never taught to “hate”, do I have no tolerance whatsoever for gay men and absolutely hate men who “love” men?

    Why do I, irregardless of what anyone says to the contrary, find homosexual behaviour to be a freakish abonimation of nature and/or, again in my opinion, some sort of personality disorder or mental illness?

    I realize we are ALL human beings and no one should ever be dehumanized, but.. I know I will never be able to accept homosexual behaviour as being anything other than an incredible nasty and revolting perversity.

    I am not religious, in fact if one wishes to speak to me about “Jesus”, or “Islam”, ..or whatever, I will always say, “you might as well preach to me about Zeus or Batman and Robin..” I do not believe in superstitions or that anyone’s moral religious beliefs should be imposed upon anyone else. I believe in science, facts, and myself.

    The issue of homosexuality is one that will forever be at odds with heterosexuality.
    It will never be changed by enacting laws or any kind of civil rights movement.

    The way I, and many, many others, feel about gay men will not change with time or by arguments because the facts behind the matter will not change, gay men will always be doing what gay men do: behaving like women and performing sexual acts on each other that have been considered to be illegal and immoral (at best) for centuries.

    The only way the gay issue will ever go away is if gays go away.

    I cannot help but wonder how the “gay community” would react if someday in the future we were to find a way through genetic science to conclusively and once and for all show that this is indeed an abnormality and a condition that is reversable. My prediction: Flaming outrage.

  5. KFLO says

    Ken Starr is a sack of shit. I’m amazed this creep is still practicing law in the most disrespectful and vile ways. This prop8 just keeps getting more and more disgusting. These people ought to be ashamed of themselves!

  6. KFLO says

    Ken Starr is a sack of shit. I’m amazed this creep is still practicing law in the most disrespectful and vile ways. This prop8 just keeps getting more and more disgusting. These people ought to be ashamed of themselves!

  7. Blue Proctor says

    This is nothing more than the religious right’s hatred of anything that is not them! Didn’t these folks do enough damage to the nation through the Bush administration? Who cares if 2 gays want to get married? Its their lives and not mine. I don’t want to tell them how to go about it. They truly are a hate group. They want to turn the nation into a theocracy like in Iran and much of the Muslim world. The evangelical and the religious right are unfit to govern the nation and it shows. Repeal all the stupid laws of hate.

  8. Sasha says

    Yes, Rob, sweetheart.

    Now, since you seem keen on questions that begin with “Why”, I will ask a few of you: WHY, given that you apparently are so incredibly heterosexual that the merest tiny thought of gay sex is ‘disgusting beyond words’ to you, WHY… ahem… are you then on a gay male website in the first place?

    WHY are you not on a Penthouse or Playboy website instead looking up boobies?

    WHY are you not out enjoying yourself with a wife or girlfriend?

    WHY have you even heard of Towleroad?

    WHY do you feel compelled to spend your free time typing in a web address for a gay website and posting at length in an attempt to attract the attention of men whom you allegedly hate?

    And WHY do you (and, alas, so many others) not realise that “irregardless” is not a proper word?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless

    Questions, questions…

  9. hank says

    Rob, you have these over the top reactions because you fear that you may have these urges in yourself. No secure heterosexual man
    reacts this way. As for “acting like women”, what does that say about the way you regard women? Do you find them repulsive?

  10. Jimmyboyo says

    Rob

    You sure seem titillated enough by gayness to hang out at, read, and post on a homosexual blog. Closet case much? Seek therapy on helping you deal with your self hate and be free of your closet.

    Anyway; Ken Star sniffing undies again 3…2…1….

    He wasted millions and 10 months+ to sniff the Clinton’s underwear.

    Despicable Neanderthal. I would love to see Hillary toss a high heel at his head, but she is too classy for that.

    I’m not!!! so toss me one of your high heels Hill and I will gladly throw it at Ken Star’s head in your honor.

  11. CJ says

    Well, Rob in Massachusetts sums up ignorance and bigotry quite well. It’s rather amusing that his focus seems to be on gay “men”. I would not be surprised if “Rob” owns lesbian pornography as heterosexual men seem more “tolerant” of gay females than males. Freud is spinning in his grave. Rob, it seems your focus is on the act of homosexuality, more appropriately the act of two “men”, which leads to the obvious psychoanalytical point that perhaps your “issue” is an internal struggle with your own sexuality.

    Most heterosexual individuals who are comfortable with their sexuality do not interfere with the private lives of others.

    Most individuals who are comfortable with their sexuality do not frequent homosexual oriented blogs and leave long comments regarding their intolerance and bigotry.

    Most heterosexual individuals comfortable with their sexuality do not spend $200+ million to enact law that denies American’s of their “inalienable rights”.

    Let’s take your comment and turn it on its head.

    “Why do I, instinctively and uncontrollably, find heterosexual men to be disgusting beyond words?

    Why do I find just the thought of having another woman make any kind of sexual contact with me to be an unfathomable nightmare?

    Why, from the time I was a small boy to the present, has masculine behaviour by men, gay or not, illicited a knee-jerk response in me that is violent in nature?

    Why, when I was raised to be “tolerant” and was never taught to “hate”, do I have no tolerance whatsoever for straight men and absolutely hate men who “love” women?

    Why do I, irregardless of what anyone says to the contrary, find heterosexual behaviour to be a freakish abonimation of nature and/or, again in my opinion, some sort of personality disorder or mental illness?

    I realize we are ALL human beings and no one should ever be dehumanized, but.. I know I will never be able to accept heterosexual behaviour as being anything other than an incredible nasty and revolting perversity.

    I am not religious, in fact if one wishes to speak to me about “Jesus”, or “Islam”, ..or whatever, I will always say, “you might as well preach to me about Zeus or Batman and Robin..” I do not believe in superstitions or that anyone’s moral religious beliefs should be imposed upon anyone else. I believe in science, facts, and myself.

    The issue of heterosexuality is one that will forever be at odds with itself.
    It will never be changed by enacting laws or any kind of civil rights movement.

    The way I, and many, many others, feel about straight men will not change with time or by arguments because the facts behind the matter will not change, straight men will always be doing what straight men do: behaving like bigots and performing sexual acts on each other when drunk that have been considered to be illegal and immoral (at best) for centuries.

    The only way the straight issue will ever go away is if straights go away.

    I cannot help but wonder how the “straight community” would react if someday in the future we were to find a way through genetic science to conclusively and once and for all show that this is indeed an abnormality and a condition that is reversable. My prediction: Flaming outrage.”

    Sounds good to me.

    Happy Holidays Rob and remember to smile when passing that gravy boat of stupidity and hate. Cheerio.

  12. Jimmyboyo says

    PS ROB

    True heterosexuals are too busy thinking about sex with women, too busy trying to have more sex with women, too busy trying to earn more money to buy a nice car to impress more women to have sex with them, etc to bother worrying themselves about gays.

  13. Miss Cleo says

    Oh Rob, honnie chil’, you got some demons in you. Keep telling yourself your straight when you’re sucking your friends dick. Keep telling yourself you’re straight when you’re getting off to the money shot at the end of your porn (after all, all straight guys like that, right?). Keep telling yourself you’re straight when you fantasize about that quarterback “sack”. Keep telling your “girlfriend” – “Oh babe, not tonight, I have a head ache” (they make Excedrin for that Rob).

    We’ve all been there Rob, we’ve all dealt with our own inner “demons”. When you’re ready to accept yourself, we’ll still welcome you with open arms…

    Keep telling yourself that you’re “straight”, maybe someday you’ll believe it…

    …and sweetie, mother’s always know, something tells me your mom is already registered with PFLAG…

  14. says

    Well, it’s quite simple. People are soooooo full of hatred, that they will do anything to lash out. Gee, I think there are a few other issues that really need to be addressed before we waste time AND MONEY on trying to reverse a marriage between same sex couples. The people who are attempting to do this are the ones who bring us into wars, cause conflicts, and have created the negative situations that this world is currently experiencing. Wake up people! If we don’t all get along, we are destined for failure as a society.

  15. DJ says

    Well Craig,You stated the obvious,but truth be told,these people (mentally retarded str8 people who spend everyday of their,working overtime to express hate toward gays)will never listen.They are blinded by their own stupidity and ignorance (which is another obvious fact) This is why Im so glad and proud to be an atheist.If god truly did exist,I highly doubt we would be dealing with this much hate in the world.AND….As powerful as this alleged god is presumed to be,these hateful str8 people (Rather if they are Morman or not and regardless of if they practice any kind of religion)God would strike them dead right in their tracks.Through the years I have become so bitter and stone-cold toward most str8 people (particularly str8 men) because of their ill-minded attitude and gross behavior toward gay men.I find str8 men to be repulsive and I REFUSE to even be bothered with any of their bullshit.Save that drama for ur mama.Str8 men shouldnt flatter themselves because frankly they are LOZERS and I could careless for their presence.

  16. Sean says

    In Canada we have gay marriage and its not an issue. No one even talks about it. If it makes people happy and it doesn’t hurt anyone then why not? In terms of family values gay people are probably the kindest people out there. God made gay people like everyone else for a reason. I’m not gay, just can’t understand what the issue is with Americans. To me its unconstitutional for the government to be involved in people’s bedrooms. Their job is to build roads and streets.

  17. nic says

    @ROB IN MASSACUHSSETS,

    you said “irregardless”. that alone should disqualify you from intelligent discourse; never-mind that you also wrote ‘illicit’ when you meant ‘elicit’. in answer to your many questions, though, i will answer your ‘whys?’ thus, “cuz you are one disturbed mofo, that’s why, prick!”

  18. DJ says

    Sean,what can I tell you.AMERICA is FULL of SHIT.Americans tend to be stupid and Bigoted.Not all just an unheard of amount.

    Also for the str8 bigot who posted.Homosexuality will never be proven as abnormal and unnatural,because the total opposite has been proven.Homosexuality is not just limited to Humans,its been found in penguins,Bears,Bees and a few species as well.HOMOSEXUALITY IS INDEED NATURAL and it has been proven by SCIENCE its in our DNA.Try picking up a Goddamn science book once and a while and read the FACTS and stop poppin your homophobic bigoted bullshit.Some people are so stupid.I mean REALLY!!!

  19. DJ says

    Homosexuality will never be proven as abnormal and unnatural,because the total opposite has “ALREADY” been proven.

    Homosexuality is not just limited to Humans,its been found in penguins,Bears,Bees and a few “OTHER” species as well.

    I did a rush job Sorry!

  20. Rowan says

    Urgh.

    Why do we need to keep on accusing stupid homophobics that they are gay?? It gives them frigging amunisation!

    We shouldn’t insult gay people by saying Rob from Mass is one.

  21. greenriverkate says

    This whole thing makes me just sick. Why oh why can’t they just leave gays alone? They are married and they should let it stand until this stupid Prop 8 is tossed in the garbage where it belongs. I can only say how sorry I am for the shabby discusting treatment gays recieve from the religious idiots and far right and straight people. The time has come to grow up and let them live their lives as God intended. God never said love was wrong and God has NEVER made a mistake. He made all these children what they are and told us not to judge lest we be judged. How we have failed in following the Bible. It is full of love and kindness and taking care of one another. The idiots without a life find one or two things in the bible and make a library out of it. They should all be ashamed. Let the gays live the life God intended, not what you have intended or interpreted.

  22. Zeke says

    ROB, here is the bottom line as far as I am concerned. You can dislike me, you can hate me, you can hate the whole gay male population (I notice you didn’t mention lesbians), you can rant and rave about how much we disgust you. You can do ALL of these things to your ignorant, hateful heart’s content. I will disagree with you but I will steadfastly stand up and fight for your right to feel, believe, think and say whatever floats your boat as long as you don’t turn those thoughts, beliefs, feelings and words into ACTS of VIOLENCE or discriminatory LAWS against me or my community. The moment you cross that line I and my community will fight you with everything we’ve got and you’ll get to see just how much “like women” we can be.

    How ’bout it? Does that sound like a deal that you can live with?

  23. Bobbyjoe says

    Shorter “Rob in Massachusetts:”

    I just dropped by this website for gay men to demonstrate how really, really, really disgusted I am by thoughts of being gay. No, really. Really, really, really disgusted. If I could, I’d make semaphore flags that say “I’m Not Gay!” and wave them while standing on the roof of my house. Uh, oh, um, hey, look, um, a picture of a shirtless dude. What is THAT doing on this site? Wow, how disgusting. Let me just click on a few more links and see if I can’t find a few more pics on this site that will help me, uh, vent my disgust.

    [wife’s voice calls from kitchen]

    What am I looking at online? Oh, um, nothing honey. Um, I’m just, uh… I’m just reading Focus on the Family. [hurriedly shuts off computer]

  24. ghostwhitehorse says

    Hmmm. . . the second thing that popped into my brain when I read ROB in Mass’post was “satire”, it’s just too wordy and detialed to be a genuine opinion.

    Now guess what my first thing was. . .*naughty snicker*

  25. says

    Am I the only one to notice that Kenneth Starr, and commercial “Yes on 8″ spokesman, Professor Richard Peterson, are both from Pepperdine University School of Law?

    Is this what they are teaching at Pepperdine, anti-gay studies? Maybe it is time to bring Pepperdine to task!

  26. Crash says

    @Ghostwhitehorse:
    My first thought was that he had just gotten done getting banged in the butt by his uber-macho master and the only way he can feel good about himself is to try and tear others down.
    Does that sound like what your first thought was?? *giggles like a school girl*

  27. Chris says

    Brandon: Jerry Brown defense of the CA Cons against Prop 8, and Arnold’s for that matter, give the CA Supremes cover to sustain their precedent — even if it is 4-3 it is still precedent and these jurists care very much about thier institution — they can reject the dangerous idea of overturning basic rights by a 50% plus 1 vote. The court themselves opened the door to this by asking for responses to a seperation of powers argument. I feel they will overturn it on that basis with a very solid if not complete majority; it is harder to recall 6 or 7 justices than 4.

    If a recall should succeed, the recallers would only have a younger, more progressive replacement — prop from a Dem by the time it got on the ballot, or for the current Gov who would be none too pleased about the wrangling and prob not looking to run as a Rep for anything again, maybe Senate but doubtful, esp as Obama is going to be in office for 8 yrs very probably.

    This is a great day for us.

  28. GV says

    “We shouldn’t insult gay people by saying Rob from Mass is one.”

    I don’t consider it any kind of insult to myself to say that some confused or disturbed individual might also be gay (just as I am) or white (just as I am) or the same height and weight as me or whatever. It says nothing about me or you.
    But the fact is that people who are secure and confident in their own sexuality and their own lives have no tendency to lash out in hatred at those who are, in some innocuous way, different from themselves.
    I have had a lot friends in the past who thought just like Rob. Extreme fear and hatred of gays accompanied by violent feelings (None of them clued in that I was gay and I was not ready to mention it at that time in my life).
    I have had other straight male friends who were completely at ease around people who were diffeernt from themselves, including gay people.
    Not one of the “comfortable” straight guys ever made any kind of sexual advance at me.
    Nearly every single one of the homophobic guys tried to do something sexual to me at some time or another.
    That experience is consistent with the University of Georgia study that showed that homophobic self-labeled “straight” men are turned physiologically by man-on-man erotic images, while gay-friendly straight men generally do not respond to them.
    Extreme homophobes are always scared of something inside of them.
    Rob needs therapy to figure out the answers to his questions about why he has such extreme reactions. But how long it will take until he seeks it is another question, and meanwhile he’s likley to continue these unproductive ways to try to deal.

  29. g_whiz says

    You know, Rob, I have to remind you that you “find gays disgusting” because you live in a judeo-christian culture that has gone to great lenghts to socialize you to. And thats fine, we don’t exactly need your permission to exist. What’s more? Nobody’s asking you to be gay, get gay married, or most importantly for your opinion. Who I love has absolutley nothing to do with you.

  30. Grego says

    1. Rob you Suck, pure and simple. Not content with social equality? You think you’re better than other people? How DO you feel about other minorities?

    2. Re: Ken the Snake Starr. We should examine how he’s going to take up witch-burning while on college staff. Is he taking a paid leave? Does his Department need to approve it? I agree we should examine his Pepperdine connection.
    Hugs to Towleroad!

  31. Brian says

    Sorry, but this was some sloppy reporting. The Yes on 8 people didn’t file three lawsuits last Friday — they filed responses to the three petitions for review that had been filed with the Supreme Court. Similarly, Jerry Brown filed his response to those petitions. As for the timing having something to do with “burying” the news — the Court set a briefing schedule, giving the respondents a December 19 deadline to file.

    Turning to substance, Jerry Brown did what I hoped he’d do but never thought he would. He looked at his obligation to uphold the law, and then realized that there were conflicting Constitutional principles here: the law represented by Prop 8, and the Declaration of Rights in teh Constitution. There was no way to “uphold” both of these conflicting principles, so he argued that the Declaration of Rights should prevail. So he’s upholding the law, all right — but a higher law than Prop 8. Good for him.

  32. Brian says

    Oh, and re Ken Starr. I went to Pepperdine as an undergrad and was horrified at its role in the Yes on 8 campaign. The school tried to placate alumni by claiming that Richard Peterson, who appeared in those outrageous commercials, was acting on his own. And it tried to placate donors by refusing to do anything about having its name removed from the ads. Pepperdine claimed it was taking a “neutral” position on Prop 8, but Ken Starr’s role here just proves that was complete and utter bullshit.

    If Pepperdine wants to invalidate my marriage, then I want my tuition money back.

  33. Hippie Canyon says

    Ken Starr, Lil’ Robbie from Mass, et al, remind me of men like J.Edgar Hoover and the X-President’s own “spiritual” adviser Reverend Haggard. So enveloped in thier outrage at the mere thought of gay men, when all the while they harbor the same natural attraction.

    BTW, who will be paying for Ken Starr’s legal fees? Or should I assume the Ahmanson family has it covered?

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