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  1. Jim says

    Although I will never rest until our GLBT community is treated 100% equally, I agree with Rep. Paterson in her estimation of a practical “bridge” to acceptance of same-sex marriage in America. Change sometimes takes time, sometimes unfortunately, but this would be a HUGE step forward. It will take time, but we WILL be equal one day. This week has proven that to all of us.

  2. jessejames says

    Finally someone who speaks clearly and “gets it.”
    Government isn’t in the business of sacraments; that can be left to the churches.
    Government is in the business of legalities and rights.
    It is about time we had only one class of citizen in the USA.

  3. Jay says

    Pretty effin’ sensible. It’s the backroad way to equality. Once people see the sky hasn’t fallen, nobody will care what it’s called. Thing is, most aren’t offering actual equal benefits under a different name. They’re offering sub-par options and saying we get the same rights. If she’s the choice, good for NY.

  4. PDQ says

    “It’s a covenant between a man, a woman, and God. So they feel uncomfortable with the word.”

    No….they certainly aren’t uncomfortable with the word. That’s why they get divorced and remarried so often. Is THAT what they learned from the Catholic Church?

    Hypocrites!!

  5. tony the tiger says

    paterson only picked ths woman because she is an upstate democrat who has the added bonus of being roman catholic….all of which are going to be weak spots in paterson’s campaign if he gets stuck running against giuliani in the next election (giuliani’s stronger upstae, with roman catholics and of course conservatives)

  6. Chris says

    I am very suspicious of this kind of “equal rights, different terminology” talk. In fact, it is pretty much exactly the same as Ken Starr’s argument here in California that Prop 8 is fine and dandy. Strange bedfellows ….

  7. Chris says

    Oh, and Gillibrand’s argument that we should give the same rights but call it something different is also pretty much the same as the “separate but equal” standard that was rejected in Brown v. Board of Education. But hey, other than that, I’m sure she’s great.

  8. FrozenNorth says

    Sad that some gays can’t recognize that some things take time and baby steps. They’d rather shoot for the moon, fail, and set themselves back a 100 years than patiently craft a strategy for success of the long haul.

    Black civil rights didn’t happen overnight inspite of how some advocates would like to portray it. It took them 100 years, a million deaths, and countless heartache and rejection to get to the place they are today.

    And while we gays may not have it as bad as that (and we can thank blacks for not a small amount of that) it’s still something we have work on slowly and persistently.

    It’s like coming out in a way. No body does it overnight to everyone. It’s more of a rolling process that inevitably picks up steam.

    I think she’s got the right idea and strategy.

  9. Sargon Bighorn says

    It’s a start people. Gillibrand is on our side of this issue. Get all the same rights as marriage and the US Supreme Court will either say call it “marriage” because separate is not equal, or they will deny the rights to Gay Americans. Should they deny the rights, One hopes Gay-Americans would riot in the streets (but I won’t bet on it).

  10. ohplease says

    “Government isn’t in the business of sacraments; that can be left to the churches.
    Government is in the business of legalities and rights.”

    And marriage is a legal, governmental contract that confers a thousand different rights.

    Churches throw symbolic parties for marriages they like. These parties are called “weddings”.

    Churches are not in the marriage business. Pretending that they are plays into their hands and gets nobody anywhere.

    You do not need a church to be married. You don’t even need a church for a wedding. You don’t even need a wedding to be married.

    Not all religions oppose marriage equality. Religions that do are not only stomping on the secular human rights of every American, but they’re also stepping on the rights of other religions that get it right.

    Please, please, please stop believing what some churches tell you. They don’t own marriage. At all.

    Marriage equality is, of course, the only acceptable outcome. I don’t like getting there through appeasing idiots and I don’t think it will be necessary to do so. But if it got us there — quickly — I wouldn’t complain.

  11. Andalusian Dog says

    I hope that we never lose sight of the fact that it is our right to define what our civil rights look like, and not that of some straight politicians.

    “Practical” is the just administration of the law, which stipulates that we are due the equal protection that it affords to all citizens of the U.S. Separate is not and has never been equal.

  12. says

    Since a “marriage” is a civil legal contract, civil unions should be what all couples should get. A “blessing” can be whatever that legally bound couple wants.

    I say everyone enter into their legal contracts at city hall and if they want that contract blessed they go wherever they want to have it done.

    No fuss. No muss.

  13. Voet says

    Derek, this is actually what they do in some European countries. This arrangement makes things much clearer.

    Unfortunately churches have been allowed to stand in for the state for so long in the US that I think this would be a really tough thing to pull off here.

  14. hephaestion says

    We all know that we SHOULD have gay marriages. But the fact is, we will have to wait ar least 25 years for that. Gay civil unions we CAN have NOW. So we should grab them! Full civil rights for blacks were not won instantly at once either. The civil rights act barely passed at all at first and it would not have passed in the 60s if blacks had tried for 100% justice all at once.

  15. says

    “…opposed legislation to permit state Medicaid programs to cover low-income, HIV-positive Americans before they develop AIDS.”

    I cannot read that and come away with a good feeling. What sort of person would deny care to a person to prevent the onset of AIDS? Not a good person. Not at all.

  16. TikiHead says

    “It’s a covenant between a man, a woman, and God.”

    I yearn for the day that atheists can get marriage licenses… oh wait: they already can. It’s called marriage too, you just go to a Justice of the Peace, get hitched by the magic words, and sign a marriage license.

    Si again, why can’t same sex couples do this? And call it marriage, just like atheists do?

  17. silverkjk says

    It is difficult for me to believe that an individual who showed this level of bigotry against any other community would have received this endorsement. Despite his history of support for the GLBT community, this represents a significant slap in the face for our community by Gov. Paterson.

  18. says

    OK, but aside from the marriage issue, she has the lowest score on LGBT rights of any representative, she was against repealing DADT, against equal tax treatment, against uniting families, and against expanding Medicaid? And that’s all OK?

  19. Mike says

    A federal civil union law makes sense – and hopefully could be quickly passed. Once it is in there you would see there it would be a bridge to fix the marriage word issue once and for all.

    1. Either everyone would have marriage or…(more better)
    2. The government would finally get out of the “marriage” business and leave that term up to the individuals to go to their respective churches to obtain.

    There are plenty of churches that would “marry” gay folks…

    Its unbelievable that people are upset that gay people want to use the word marriage…

  20. Andy says

    I think she is smart and tough and sensible, much like Hillary. A good choice.

    Keep in mind folks that an upstate liberal is not the same as a new York City liberal. You have to build a bridge between the two and then things will come together with time.

  21. JayDub says

    Good grief, I don’t give a damn what it’s called, just give me EQUAL RIGHTS!

    And no, you will not win an argument with me telling me that if we call it “unions” and they call it “marriage” it’s not equal. If we have the same RIGHTS… yes, it is!

    You can call an Apple an Orange all day long… but it is still an Apple.

  22. dizzyspins says

    Do I wish we could get same-sex marriage passed as the law of the land? Of course. Do I want to wait the forty years it will take for that to happen? No! Gillibrand’s suggestion is eminently practical, and what Ive been advocating for years. Taking the moral high ground is all well and good, but sometimes you have to hold your nose and take what you can.

    Blacks fought for their rights piecemeal over decades–they didnt sit back and say “give us everything right now or give us nothing.” Were they rightfully indignant? Of course, but they knew it was more important in the long run to take what they could.

  23. Derrick from Philly says

    “this represents a significant slap in the face for our community by Gov. Paterson.”

    What’s the matter–you don’t like white, Yankee women? She aint no worse than the new crop of centrist Democrats in the senate. Sign of the times, baby.

    Governor Paterson must be brave: he could’ve gotten rid of that Cuomo guy by putting him in the US Senate.

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