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  1. This site is also working:

    http://sanfrancisco.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?publish_id=455

    Posted by: Mark | Mar 5, 2009 12:32:23 PM


  2. Justice Kennard is equating same-sex marriage with the death penalty! She is claiming that solely a strict majority of voters entitles the elimination in equality for marriage solely by a one-vote majority. She is attempting to tie this as a revision, not an amendment, which requires 2/3 of public vote, after passage by the Legislature by the same percentage.

    Posted by: Gary | Mar 5, 2009 12:38:48 PM


  3. I'm not sure who the female judge with the thick accent on the panel is but she certainly cut Marshall's argument short and it seemed awfully strategic by way of simply defending her former position on the last ruling. I don't believe that in this type of hearing, that the judges should be allowed to interrupt so wholly while an argument is being presented. While the presented information was being construed as political, the judge's interruption was exactly that and extremely rude.

    Posted by: Eric | Mar 5, 2009 12:40:28 PM


  4. CNN also has a live feed.

    Posted by: Keith | Mar 5, 2009 12:50:45 PM


  5. Too bad the media viewers all require a down load, and many are not working due to the large number of people wanting to watch. I've been trying for an hour to see this and have not been successful. One would think this historic event would be better distributed. Oh well.

    Posted by: Sargon Bighorn | Mar 5, 2009 12:52:41 PM


  6. Whoever this female russian sounding judge is, is AWFUL. She keeps asking the lawyers questions, interrupts them as they try to answer, then INTERRUPTS THEM AGAIN.
    She has a voice that sounds inquisitive, but then DOESN'T LISTEN TO ARGUMENTS...interrupts AGAIN...then...time up!

    Posted by: Christian Canterbury | Mar 5, 2009 1:01:54 PM


  7. Justice Kennard is equating same-sex marriage with the death penalty!

    Not necessarily a good sign. It suggests she's preoccupied with her own political survival. Kennard is surely aware that a California Supreme Court ruling banning the death penalty was overturned by the voters a few decades ago. She's also surely aware that one of her predecessors, Chief Justice Rose Bird, was recalled for writing that anti death penalty decision.

    Posted by: John in CA | Mar 5, 2009 1:05:42 PM


  8. I think that woman is Justice Kennard. She was with the majority in the in re: to marriage cases, but was also the only one to vote against hearing this current case.

    Posted by: Zeeshan | Mar 5, 2009 1:08:24 PM


  9. I'm just saying...start collecting signatures to get the issue back on the ballot. This does not sound good.

    Posted by: Mike | Mar 5, 2009 1:16:22 PM


  10. That bitch with the accent just admitted voting for Prop 8.

    Posted by: John M | Mar 5, 2009 1:19:03 PM


  11. Does she ever shut up?

    Posted by: eric k | Mar 5, 2009 1:23:25 PM


  12. This is the way appellate arguments are conducted in state and federal courts all over the country. If we want to secure our rights by giving uninterrupted speeches, we should win them in legislatures and political campaigns. If you go to court, this is what you get. I'd be careful about belittling people for having accents and calling women bitches because you suspect they disagree with you.

    Posted by: Patrick | Mar 5, 2009 1:32:24 PM


  13. I agree (it's called an argument after all), but she could have enough respect to let someone finish introducing themselves before she interrupts. Her accent is not an issue for me it's her long-winded, inability to concisely articulate a question that leaves me wondering how this person has a say in how I live my life.

    Posted by: eric k | Mar 5, 2009 1:40:02 PM


  14. The rep from Brown's office is utterly lame. Stammering, stuttering, mealy... the justices smell weakness and are pouncing.

    Posted by: The Milkman | Mar 5, 2009 1:44:46 PM


  15. The lawyer arguing for the Attorney General is doing a very poor job.

    Posted by: Patrick | Mar 5, 2009 1:45:47 PM


  16. I was listening to NPR on my way to work this morning. It heard a report on people who financially supported YES ON PROP 8. They were complaining that they were being harassed by gay activists for supporting YES on Prop 8. Well good. Now they have gotten a small taste of what it is like to be gay. They may receive harassment for about two weeks and then people will forget them.
    Need I write more? I do not feel sorry for people. If you stand for something be prepared to be up against people who disagree --- some people who support Prop 8
    have not a clue of what it is like to be targeted every day just because you are different.

    Posted by: Daya | Mar 5, 2009 1:46:45 PM


  17. From Wikipedia:

    "Kennard has a reputation for aggressive questioning during oral argument[citation needed]. She does not hesitate to ask long and complicated questions--often speaking for minutes at a time before prompting an attorney to respond."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_L._Kennard

    There's also this:

    Legal experts puzzled over justice's seeming reversal on Prop 8

    http://articles.latimes.com/2008/nov/25/local/me-prop8-court25

    Posted by: JohnInManhattan | Mar 5, 2009 1:47:15 PM


  18. Nobody is belittling anybody for having an accent.
    We just don't know her name. It's Justice Kennard. She is the most long winded and rude of all these people. Although at this point they are ALL pounding the stuttering rep.
    This all sounds like they have already made up their mind. I'm gonna go get drunk.

    Posted by: Christian Canterbury | Mar 5, 2009 1:50:33 PM


  19. Unfortunately we're not winning this one in any way. Krueger was just horrible, stumbling and inarticulate. Even more highlighted as he's followed by Ken Starr.

    Prop 8 is going to stand, the question is whether the existing marriages will still be valid.

    Unfortunately we need to move on, and pursue a different strategy.

    Posted by: Gregus | Mar 5, 2009 1:56:41 PM


  20. We're not belitting for her (Kennard) for having an accent. We're belittling her for being a hypocrite.

    She's trying to justify the fact that she changed her mind on same-sex marriage by positing the very arguments about "the right of the people to define rights" that she, herself, rejected only a few months ago!

    Posted by: John in CA | Mar 5, 2009 2:04:32 PM


  21. "Narcissism Goes to Church: Encountering Evangelical Worship" by Monte Wilson

    Those Charcoal Hearted. All they only do is embitter.

    Posted by: JD | Mar 5, 2009 2:07:35 PM


  22. NARCISSISM. NARCISSISM. NARCISSISM. NARCISSISM. NARCISSISM. NARCISSISM. You'll find what a narcissist when you type it up.

    Posted by: JD | Mar 5, 2009 2:09:00 PM


  23. California GLBTs,

    Seriously, what is wrong with you? You keep allowing incompetent people to manage your arguments for you and you'll wind up in ovens.

    Who selected this guy to go against Starr? You people just keep fucking up again and again.

    But, it doesn't matter anyway. To argue support for same-sex marriage state by state is foolish and worthless.

    Posted by: Marc | Mar 5, 2009 2:11:28 PM


  24. Did Kenneth Starr actually just say "Each of us is a minority of one." ????

    Posted by: andy | Mar 5, 2009 2:12:02 PM


  25. I think you should give Brown's team another shot to save the marriages that occurred while the law was in effect. You know, just so they can redeem themselves (And lose a second case).

    Posted by: Marc | Mar 5, 2009 2:16:36 PM


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