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Pastor Rick Warren in Wikipedia Whitewash War Over Prop 8?

It has been suggested recently that Pastor Rick Warren, who urged his followers to support Proposition 8 in the months leading to last November's election, is trying to distance himself from that position. Earlier this month he told Larry King, "I am not an anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist. I never have been, never will be."

Warren Later that week he canceled an Easter appearance with George Stephanopoulos in which he would have likely been asked about the conflict between that statement and the Prop 8 video, citing exhaustion.

Now, it appears as if a Warren minion is trying to whitewash his Wikipedia page to reflect that as well. Living in the Bonus Round writes:

Among the contentions made by the Warren Wikipedia Whitewashers:

- Warren did not compare same sex marriage to incest, polygamy and pedophilia during his notorious Beliefnet interview.
- Gay and lesbian people have never had the right to marry in California.
- Controversies surrounding Warren's position on gay marriage are, according to CarverM, "a tempest in a teapot" and unworthy of more discussion than a link to Wikipedia's Proposition 8 page.

After weeks of voluminous and sometimes heated debate, it was uncovered that CarverM is in fact Mark Carver, the International Director of Purpose Driven Ministries.


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  1. Thou shall not lie. I guess a Wikipedia Whitewash doesn't count?

    Posted by: Wayne | Apr 21, 2009 8:36:10 AM


  2. Umm--yeah--he did make those comparisons. Everyone has seen the footage. Screw him (and Melissa Etheridge for defending him!).

    Posted by: troschne | Apr 21, 2009 8:59:22 AM


  3. Should anyone be surprised by this? Mr. Warren wouldn't know the truth if Jesus smacked him over the head with it.

    Posted by: protogenes | Apr 21, 2009 9:20:02 AM


  4. Rick Warren is trying to become the New Age kindler Gentler pastor of America. Now that Billy Graham is leaving the stage he is trying to replace him.

    IF you look at the beliefs of his church they are very conservative. But he packages himself in sweetness and light, and uses pop psychology. He as many moderates and spiritually people following him.

    Then this Prop 8 thing and the Inaugration controversy came up and the american public started seeing him for the christian conservative that he really is.

    Rick saw that he was losing followers and has decided to rewrite history to gain them back. America is no longer on the far right, you can't have a mass of followers unless you are more moderate.

    Rick is not Moderate but doing his damnest to make people think he is.

    Posted by: kujhawker | Apr 21, 2009 9:51:02 AM


  5. Denial of the fact that same-sex marriage was ever recognized in California REALLY pisses me off.

    Every time I read about the latest state to recognize marriage I pay close attention to the count - and every time the count is updated, California is ignored.

    I realize that Prop 8 must be repealed before CA can issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, but that does not change the fact that the right to marry existed in the state until the electorate stripped a minority population of its rights.

    That is an enormous exception to the count that is taking place and it should not be overlooked every time a new state takes action - or revisions of history like Warren's wiki page will help an ambivalent public (at best) pretend that we aren't being attacked at the ballot box.

    Posted by: patrick | Apr 21, 2009 9:59:12 AM


  6. Hey, you never know. Rick Warren now says he's never been against prop 8 or gay marriage. We could have totally spun this to say that Rick Warren is now for same-sex marriage. That would either call him out to correct that message or run with the popularity of it.

    Posted by: Aiden Raccoon | Apr 21, 2009 9:59:57 AM


  7. I don't get it. Is being gay-friendly where the money's at these days?

    To be a bit less cynical, maybe the old windbag's change of direction will make a few of his followers reconsider their own position...

    Posted by: ichabod | Apr 21, 2009 10:18:42 AM


  8. What a shocker. So-called "Christians" like Warren pick and choose among the biblical rules they want to follow. Man lying with man -- abomination!! Bearing false witness...eh, not so much.

    The man, and his "church," are -- like most big organized religion -- a commercial enterprise, not a spiritual endeavor.

    Posted by: Glenn | Apr 21, 2009 10:23:10 AM


  9. Warren, typical side steeper, song and dance preacher.


    http://alice.bigbig.com/

    Posted by: Otis Grant | Apr 21, 2009 11:26:51 AM


  10. He is a false prophet and snake oil salesman

    Posted by: Eric | Apr 21, 2009 12:46:01 PM


  11. @Patrick:
    The fact is, those counts you are refering to only include states where it is leagle, right now, for gays/lesbians to have legally reconized unions. Not states that had them and then revoked that right.
    When CA returns the rights, then CA will be again counted as a state that has the rights. That is all. No real reason to be upset by this.

    Posted by: Crash | Apr 21, 2009 1:09:28 PM


  12. Well, what about mobbing and gangstalking? Who is going to do anything about that? And the fact that some of the victims are pouring used dirty motor oil down all the drains and poisoning all the water.

    Posted by: Mel | Apr 21, 2009 7:18:42 PM


  13. I live in the OC. I lived through the Prop 8 disaster. Rick Warren is not the reason Yes on Prop 8 won. The fact the gay community never came down here by the thousands and other communities like it to convince people they should vote No On Prop 8 is why the Yes vote won. Before Prop 8, gay advocates would praise Rick Warren for meeting them at the table, even though they disagreed. Stop expecting people who may have never seen a gay marriage to step out of their comfort zone and break away from a 5,000 year old tradition because you all act pissed. If Rick Warren changes his view and grows...good for him. You all just want someone to hate and lash out at. President Obama can shake the hands of his enemies and talk with them...maybe the gay community should learn from that.

    Posted by: SM | Apr 22, 2009 4:06:55 AM


  14. Rick Warren is the worst kind of slime. Why is anyone surprised by what he says?

    Posted by: Tom L. | Apr 22, 2009 11:44:23 AM


  15. I hate it when people do that. "Oh, but see, if we don't talk about it, it will just disappear and we can pretend nothing is happening!" Jeesh. Reality check, please, Rick Warren! Face the facts: you're a deceptive bastard, everyone knows it, and it's time you came clean. Running and hiding only makes this shit way the hell worse for you.

    Posted by: Radar | Apr 23, 2009 1:42:01 AM


  16. I hope someone is going to change Wikipedia back so that it reflects reality and not Pastor Ricky's lies.

    Posted by: Wheezy | Apr 25, 2009 6:14:15 PM


  17. Not a fan of of Warren and his mega church

    http://kayamawasailor.blogspot.com/2009/04/marketing-with-jesus.html

    Posted by: DeWayne | Apr 26, 2009 9:48:19 AM


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