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  1. Balt-O-Matt says

    There were other protesters there. Code Pink, Armenian Genocide Protesters, Anti-8 folks. In fact there’s a video on YouTube of the genocide people that has people encouraging him to keep his promise. In context, this video is far less hurtful than I initially thought. And I was steamed this morning. I’m still disappointed in Obama, but not because of this.

  2. Lar says

    Lots of drama queenery and faux outrage going on here. As the poster above said, there was a motley group of protesters with various messages, not just gay protesters. The world does not revolve around us.

  3. FunMe says

    Who’s advising President Obama? His Chief of staff RALPH EMANNUEL?

    Seriously, they “think” continuing with DLC (Democratic Leadership Council) elitist attitude is going to keep them in power?

    They have more respect for the anti-abortion crowd than they do for GLBT Americans.

    This is disgusting. President Obama better say something quick.

    Just barely 100 days over and already making it easier for him to be a ONE TERM President.

  4. Martha says

    fyi –
    The Armenian protesters were there 3-6pm
    and the gays came in for 6pm.

    I guess the rainbow flags and Prop 8 signs
    were not a giveaway to the Prez ?

    Obama is a coward. His silence speaks volumes and it’s disgusting.

  5. KFLO says

    Was it really hard for him to tell who the gay rights protesters were? With all the rainbow flags? I find it hard to believe.

  6. Jeffrey says

    It would be WRONG to make light of any of his promises; regarding torture, open and honest government, ending the war, and especially being a “fierce advocate” of glbt rights THE DAY AFTER WE WERE FUCKED OVER BY PROP 8 and the CA SUPREME COURT while speaking in the state of California…..
    The GLBT demonstration was by far the largest group, as reported on NBC local news last night.

  7. says

    Hey, a month ago everyone was decrying KABC long standing policy of not running gay friendly PSA’s – now, DURING SWEEPS, you take a hacked piece of crap spot as true and accurate?!?

    Take a pill. I’m no Clinton – – ummm, I mean Obama fan, but he wasn’t taking jabs at marriage equality or DADT protesters – the Armenian genocide group was just as big and were chanting, “keep your promise”.

    For people that don’t know, the Beverly Hilton is at the cross roads of Wilshire Blvd and Santa Monica Blvd – – a massive intersection with park space to boot. The four other groups protesting easily outnumbered the less than 150 marriage equality group.

    The KABC piece is deliberately trying to create something out of nothing.

    It’s one thing to be pissed that the man has turned into every other Democrat – but don’t get all pissing just because you thought he was going to be something different.

  8. Lar says

    One-term president? Oy. There is a tendency among gay activists to inflate the importance and power of the gay vote. Let’s put it like this. The gay vote in this election went something like 70%-30% for Obama. If the rest of that 70% went to McCain, Obama would still be president. Contrast that with, say, the Hispanic vote, of which Obama earned 2/3. If he had earned even 10-15% less, we would be talking about President McCain.

    Face it, we don’t have the numbers and we are not powerful voting bloc that many claim we are.

  9. LeoInDc says

    “This is disgusting. President Obama better say something quick. ”

    “And now we know. GLBT civil rights are literally a joke to Obama.”

    “I say this with a heavy heart, but he’s a douche.”

    Typical drama queens. I think you guys need to calm down. Iowa? Vermont? Where I live, DC, the city council voted to recognize gay marriages from other states. Say what you will, we have seen a flurry of equality activity in his first 100 days. Way more than the previous 8 years. If you want to get pissy, then hate on the ignorant gays of California. They did nothing to stop Prop 8, no grassroots efforts WAATSOEVER. And while you’re at it, you can hate on gay groups like HRC for dropping the ball in Califonia. You loathing of Obama is both ignorant and misguided. Give him a fucking chance. In case you haven’t noticed Obama has been a little busy fixing Bush’s destruction to the economy and world diplomacy. You queens are disgusting with your sense on entitlement and urgency. Get a life.

  10. ichabod says

    I agree with BALT-O-MATT. In context, I don’t find Obama’s flippant comment a slight at all, really. Though I am still very disheartened by his overall silence on these issues. He truly does need to shed his advisers if, indeed, they are the ones steering him towards inactivity.

    And to all those saying they will vote Republican? That’s certainly your choice, but I don’t believe that will get us anywhere. What I feel we need to do is to continue to hold the Dems’ feet to the fire. Though it may not always seem like it, THEY work for US.

  11. LincolnLounger says

    The gay community has made itself a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party. Gay Republicans are likened to Jews working for Hitler. We are boxed into a corner, taken for granted because we aren’t going anywhere, and now smirked at by this arrogant egomaniac. He may as well have said, “Can you believe someone dared?”

  12. David says

    I want Obama to move quicker on these critical issues, but jumping on him for this particular remark is offbase. There were a lot of people there, pushing various issues, so it’s hardly surprising he would say he wasn’t sure which specific issue the demonstrator was referencing. And the overall tone is positive: he was agreeing with the demonstrator, saying that he should keep his promises, and that it’s fair to ask him to do so. The bottom line is that Barack Obama is very likely the most progressive president than any of us will see in our lifetimes, and it’s more constructive to help him get where we need him to go by encouraging him, instead of bashing him.

  13. 20008DC says

    Just why exactly is Obama attending these Hollywood millionaire fundraisers FOUR months (almost FIVE) into his presidency? Good god, I know that newly elected Prez begin their re-election campaigns early, but this has got to set a record.

    And BS on him keeping his promises AFTER he’s re-elected (that’s IF he’s re-elected). Just an empty canvas with all the stupid fools continuing to project their hopes and dreams onto him.

  14. David says

    I don’t think it’s drama queenery when someone takes a quip personally nor do I believe anyone’s in any position to call anyone else’s outrage “faux.”

    But what I really don’t understand is why the world doesn’t revolve around us as someone said, or more pointedly, why shouldn’t it? I’ve become of the opinion lately that there isn’t any reason for it not to, and if constant pressure on the President, other elected officials, our neighbors, and everyone else in the US to join our cause or get out of our way gains us our civil rights and gets the world to start revolving around us like it SHOULD, then I’m all for outrage, faux or not. Complacency is completely lame, so I honestly don’t care if he was really referring to a podunk farmer’s union that was trying to hold him to a promise of reformed sheep-shearing. If our anger causes another apology, and another conversation, and a tilting of the our axis so that the world gets that much closer to revolving around us like it should, then I’m all for it.

  15. John says

    Lar,

    Precisely. The only election where gays could’ve possibly mattered is the Minnesota U.S. Senate race.

    All this talk of “punishing” Pelosi and Obama is really wishful thinking. Even if every gay person in San Francisco voted against Pelosi, she’d still get over 70% of the vote. She typically wins re-election with over 80%. The Pelosi seat is about as safe for the Democrats as it gets. We’re talking Charlie Rangel safe.

    This isn’t an “open seat.” LGBT activists need to stop embarassing themselves by making threats they can’t carry out.

  16. Greg says

    Jackass.

    This reminds me of the “you’re nice enough” remark at Hillary, and it’s this kind of smugness that will trip him up eventually.”

  17. Jimmyboyo says

    You all need to chill

    CODE PINK was also protesting the war

    ANSWER LA was also protesting the war

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/28/736393/-Obama-Doesnt-Mock-Gay-Rights-Protestors-at-CA-Fundraiser.(Updated)

    Gays were not the only protesters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Calm the fuck down

    Obviously he was right on the money since there were at least 3 seperate groups protesting seperate issues and thus seperate prmoises

    He agreed that keeping his feet to the fire on promises was good and he was right…who the Fuck knows what promises were being referred to ….war in iraq, guantanmo detainees, the war in afganista, gay rights, etc

    You all need to pick your pearls back up off the floor and sniff some smelling salts

    Andy you report that there were other totally different groups protesting at the same time and he was right on the money in refering to which promises specificaly the shout was about.

    It could have been a war protestor who meant keep your promise on ending Iraq

  18. Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com says

    “Say what you will, we have seen a flurry of equality activity in his first 100 days”

    which HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA!!!!!!

    So he hired back some of the same gays Bill Clinton had originally hired….so there were some rainbow leis at the White House Easter Egg Hunt…..and our condolensces that he’s suddenly gone color blind and can’t tell a rainblow flag from an Armenian flag….

    in SUBSTANTIAL ways we are not better off than we were January 19th…the day before he took office … and he, like Bush, will demand the discharge of gays from the military IN COURT.

    Yes, Leo, you are an expert on ignorance.

    PS: you also don’t know shit from Shinola from your bar stool in DC about what actually went on in California.

  19. gabriel says

    LEOINDC – I agree for the most part with what you are saying. And I think many of us ARE mad at all the others you point out. I recall several posts and comments about this when Prop 8 passed.

    However, is Obama too busy dealing with other things to even have a comment about the success you mentioned? That’s BS. And Gibbs doesn’t offer up anything in the press conferences. So I think – while this clip is not as bad as Andy makes it sound – Obama is definitely silent on the LGBT issues and successes since he became president.

  20. Cj says

    To those stating that there were other protests Pres. Obama was referencing, is it still ok to make light of their struggles???

  21. FunMe says

    I was there. The gatherings started at 6pm. I got there closer to 7pm and I will tell you the anti-war and other groups were the minority in terms of the protesters.

    Right away I knew where to gather: there were LOTS of rainbow flags and signs that told you that was the GLBT contingent.

    NO EXCUSE for President Obama to continue to ignore us. Simply unacceptable and disappointing.

  22. Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com says

    Addendum:

    We will soon be substantively better off in one area, or at least partners of gays who work for the State Department will…but that change was LED BY You Know Who…whether or not Massa said it was ok.

  23. Rafael says

    I respect the President, but here he have placed himself in a corner, being disingenuous only diminishes his prospects for 2012.

  24. Scott says

    Again, you quote “He knows exactly the promises the protestors are talking about” — but there were TONS of protestors for other issues. He HEARD someone ask him to keep his promise — the voice could have come from anyone, anywhere. I guess Obama is supposed to magically know which group said it and which exact promise he was referring to. WTF? You people are reading in all this ill intent where THERE IS NONE. Newsflash, this isn’t high school, not everyone is out to make fun of you!

    It seems to me that some Obama haters are just leftover Hillary worshippers who still haven’t gotten over it, and who are looking for any reason to keep hating him. It has been 4 months — FOUR MONTHS. Do you think Hillary or MCCAIN would have repealed DADT, DOMA, ended AIDS and cured cancer in the first four months? If so, you are living on such a remote planet of retardation, there is no point in engaging you in conversation.

    The only federal gay issue that is on the table for the near future is DADT. Regarding that, my opinion is that Obama was attacked on foreign policy experience during the election. He is in the middle of proving himself to the military as a commander in chief — not easy for a Democrat to begin with. The military is not a bastion of progressive values, and will likely show resistance to the DADT repeal. So he is building up relationships and trust that will facilitate the repeal at the right time. I’d rather he do that than piss off the military bigwigs with some executive order that eliminates all military discussion and input.

    That said, I do think Obama should get the ball rolling on a timetable/commission — to let people know it is an issue he cares about (and I believe he does) and wants to get done. He is taking a lot of heat from the gay community, so I think he needs to get out in front of it from a PR point of view and put some of your minds at ease.

  25. Rafael says

    Jimmyboyo, I like you, but I think the President can and should speak for himself.

  26. Ken says

    How about getting off your fat ass and actually doing something to build momentum for equality? Prop 8 was PASSED by the voters. Do something about it. Don’t just whine about it — get out there and work for equality. I’m so sick of all this complaining from people who never gave a dime and didn’t join in any of the efforts to defeat Prop 8 to begin with.

  27. Kugel says

    At worst, tone-deaf. I agree that he needs to move quicker on these issues, and be a little more on point, but some of this outrage is disproportionate to the “sin”.

  28. Straight Man says

    I, a straight male, marched in support of gay marriage because once a legal right is granted it is legally and morally indefensible to rescind it by popular vote and because I stand for Love In The Highest.
    The Lord could not create a gay person and a straight person and not love both equally and not want equal rights for both.
    There is a war going on. The opponents are love and fear (hate is derived from fear).
    This is not a war of violence, it is a war of justice. Love will be our sword and our shield, and we will win in the end.
    The march was led by our brave Christian pastor. Although she is not gay, she nonetheless understands the full meaning of Love In The Highest and therefore joyously affirmed it to all of us.
    She was ordained by a denomination that does not support gay marriage and has threatened any minister who presides over such ceremonies with being defrocked.
    She rebelled, and officiated many gay marriages, both in our church and elsewhere.
    When she was brought up to face inquisition, with unflinching defiance she declared, “I stand for love, so take your best shot”.
    Because she was aglow with the Holy Spirit, her inquisitors backed down.
    Ultimately, Love In The Highest will always defeat hate.

  29. Paul says

    higher ground, higher ground: don’t turn on each other. if we can’t be civil to one another, how can we expect civil rights?

    there’s plenty of rage to go around, just resist spending it on each other.

    i’m disappointed about remarks said and unsaid–yet somewhere deep inside I’m hopeful that Obama isn’t talking about DADT and DOMA in public until he’s ready to move–deftly and swiftly so as to contain opposition–in the same manner he announced Sotomayor. (i assume you all read how he silenced special interest groups in the weeks before the pounce.) he needs his ducks in a row and is evidently facing trouble w the pentagon. (i assume you’ve all seen the sunday morning shows?) talking before an implementation plan is in place would just invite potentially devastating resistance.

  30. Lar says

    Obama might very well lose in 2012, but his silence/inaction on LGBT issues will have ZERO to do why this might be. His political future to wholly tied to this economy, health care reform, energy policy, progress in Afghanistan and Iraq, and dealing with Iran and North Korea. This event and every perceived or real slight in the past 6 months against the LGBT will have nothing, I repeat, nothing to do with his political fortunes.

  31. Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com says

    Spare us the worn out, and dishonest, “Obama Haters/Hillary Lovers” dodge.

    EVERY person who is criticizing him, from gays to the mainstream media, COULD be doing it out of “Hillary Lost” bitterness…or that other desperate slur…because they’re racist…..and that wouldn’t explain why, for instance, Hillary Hater/Obama Worshipper Andrew Sullivan recently flamed him for his failed promises, nor explain why, for instance, black lesbian Obama Zealot Pam Spaulding of Pam’sHouseBlend has been flaming him, nor, most importainly

    CHANGE THE SUBSTANCE OF THAT CRITICISM.

    The Obama Borg can keep coming up with one new empty excuse after the other, send the smokescreen higher and higher and behind it will remain the fact that Obama has gone MIA for gays, dived like a submarine into silence.

  32. Dan says

    I just don’t understand why Obama has been SILENT. I’m not expecting change immediately but how about, instead of vague, unfunny jokes, our Wordsmith-in-Chief throws us a rhetorical bone or two?

  33. Chris says

    LAR: I don’t expect the world to revolve around us — I just need to know we’re on the map. If he would just say that, I would understand. But very few Democrats are saying any such thing.

  34. Ignacio says

    LEOINDC you got it right.

    This Perez Hilton type pissy whiney spectacle is exactly why we lost on Prop 8 and why we will continue to lose in the future. Our struggle needs to be smarter, targeted, and mature. None of these adolescent tantrums anymore please. “OMG Obama said something mean to me” Which, if we were to stop and look at this rationally we would see that he DID NOT.

    Remember, candidate Obama was the one who, inside Black churches, admonished the very conservative (some would say homophobic) church-goers for not embracing their lesbian and gay brothers and sister. He talked about this, he talked about AIDS education and funding, about an end to discrimination against gays and lesbians. And he did it NOT in front of a liberal gay audience, but bravely he talked about it where it mattered.

  35. Scott says

    Dan… I think I get why Obama has been silent up to this point. 1. History of Bill Clinton and gays in the military in HIS first months, 2. Other truly urgent national and international matters to deal with.

    I think gay issues on a national level take a lot of time, energy and political capital (more so than should be necessary) — sadly, it is not as easy as walking and chewing gum at the same time. When we are dealing with the worst economy in our lifetimes, Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan/North Korea, stimulus/budgets, Supreme Court nominee, and the upcoming health care battle, it is hard to see Obama wanting to monopolize his time pissing off the entire military with a “social issue”.

    That said, Obama can only ride the “I’m new in town” train for so long. At this point, he should do what you say and more. Not just a rhetorical bone or two, but a real plan and timetable to repeal DADT. He should announce a commission to study the issue and a timetable to expect their results and further action. That way it involves military input, puts off the final fight until after the health care battle, and hopefully reassures gay people that he takes our issues seriously.

  36. DJ says

    Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com, spare us the pathetic, Hillary love/Obama hate. Once again you lie and say Hillary is giving equal rights that the State Department. Obama is her boss and she answers to him. Obama has to approve what she does in his Administration. Stop with your lies!

    And all of you need to read this:

    Obama Doesn’t Mock Gay Rights Protestors at CA Fundraiser. (Updated)

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/28/736393/-Obama-Doesnt-Mock-Gay-Rights-Protestors-at-CA-Fundraiser.(Updated)

    There is a diary on the Rec List now called “Obama Mocks Gay Rights Protestors at CA Fundraiser,” and I hate to say it, but all those who recommended the diary got hoodwinked.

    Here is the “mocking” that President Obama is accused of spouting at the California gay and lesbian community. Prepare to be outraged!!!!

    For those who can’t see the video, here is a transcript of the mocking:

    There were some protesters out here. I could hear them-vaguely. I don’t know what they were protesting. I think there was a group of them. But one of them started to chant “Obama, keep your promise” and I thought, that’s fair. I don’t know which promise that he was talking about. But I thought to myself, you know, I like that.

    President Obama is not mocking anyone, he is basically saying that he is happy that people are holding his feet to the fire when it comes to him upholding his campaign promises.

    And before anyone says “but, but, but, it was a gay rights protest that he’s mocking,” it was also a Code Pink and ANSWER protest as well:

    …activists from CODEPINK and ANSWER LA will protest troops in Afghanistan and war funding outside the Beverly HIlton, where President Obama is attending a Democratic National Committee fundraiser.

    So there it is, clear as day. Obama was responding to the myriad of different groups protesting for different causes. And he’s happy to know people are pushing him to keep his promises.

    We try to be reality-based here, so let’s save our outrage for worthwhile causes instead of bullshit tomfoolery.

    h/t to gatorbot for the video, h/t to seesmithrun for the transcript, h/t to taylormattd for the Code Pink/ANSWER protest link.

    UPDATE! From some of the comments below, specifically from abwaan and aggregatescience, it looks like the “keep your promise” Obama was responding to might have come from those protesting that Obama should keep a campaign promise of recognizing the Armenian genocide.

  37. Alan says

    At http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact you can remind him of which promise.

    “It’s wrong to have millions of Americans living as second-class citizens in this nation. And I ask for your support in this election so that together we can bring about real change for all LGBT Americans. I will never compromise on my commitment to equal rights for all LGBT Americans. As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws. I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). Federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does. Americans are yearning for leadership that can empower us to reach for what we know is possible. I believe that we can achieve the goal of full equality for the millions of LGBT people in this country. To do that, we need leadership that can appeal to the best parts of the human spirit. Join with me, and I will provide that leadership. Together, we will achieve real equality for all Americans, gay and straight alike.” – Barack Obama, February 2008

  38. alex in boston says

    All i have to say is this, if you attended that dinner last night and you are GLBTT THEN YOU NEED TO HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME!! While your brothers and sisters were outside fighting for YOUR rights as well as those of all our community, there you sat laughing at the inane joke and dismissive attitude from both Obama and his team!!! So to all those who attended and did nothing – SHAME SHAME SHAME!!! I have said this numerous times hit the O TEAM where it will hurt the most in the pocket book!!!!!! NO RIGHTS NO MONEY!!!!

  39. Jimbo says

    How simple and important is it to deliver basic human rights? More than anyone, as a black man, he should know. He’s a chronic disappointment.

    A wordy show pony without integrity.

  40. Scott says

    Andy: Thanks for updating your post.

    I think it is important that the gay community stays active and vocal in national and local politics. It’s just counterproductive to create an enemy out of an ally. We have enough ACTUAL enemies, but not everyone is out to get us! The Obama hatred has to stop.

    Again, he is by a million miles the most pro-gay president we have ever had. Is he perfect? No, but the perfect is the enemy of the good.

    P.S., I fully expect that DADT and probably ENDA will be addressed in his first term, but I don’t see him tackling DOMA until the second term (we need more Democrats in the Senate elected in 2010/12, our “60” is not enough for cloture on this issue, IMO, due to conservative Democrats from red states). Just my gentle suggestion to adjust expectations accordingly :)

  41. Martha says

    ^ you piece of shit Scott !!!

    how can you say this with a straight face?
    ” Again, he is by a million miles the most pro-gay president we have ever had. Is he perfect? ”

    Obama ignores us and does not believe in marriage equality.

    He is a one term flunky – mark my word.

  42. Rafael says

    Sensitivity doesn’t cost a dime. The President made his remarks in California, at a time when the passage of Proposition 8 is the most prominent issue and in reference to a protest where gay people where involved. I think we deserve clarification from the White House, not from third party assumptions.

  43. Glennn says

    Whattya gonna do Martha, vote for a republican, Pluuuuease! I still vu me some Obama!

  44. ShawnE says

    Hmmm, LeoinDC thinks that prop 8 passed because we, the”ignorant gays in CA” did nothing to stop it. Wow, that is a pretty judgemental remark to make considering you are in DC. I think you need to take a really good look at the demographics of CA, the entire Prop 8 fight and the current events of that election day. Yes, San Francisco and Hollywood are in CA and have a large gay population, but there is also a large Hispanic, Filipino and Muslim population statewide. Maybe you are unaware that many Muslims are greatly homophobic. And what do the Hispanic and Filipino immigrant population have in common? The majority of them are Roman Catholic. And what did the current pope say about gay marriage? I believe he referred to it as a sacrilege and it could lead to the destruction of society as we know it. Now what does the Catholic church, the Mormon church and the African-American churches have in common? All three of these institutions donated large, large, LARGE amounts of money to the Yes on Prop 8 campaign. Remember, for us, in this instance: yes = bad and no = good. Also, what else is in CA? The central valley which is mostly an agricultural area with farming conglomerates and family-owned farms. The central valley is very conservative and usually votes Republican. What day was the Prop 8 vote taken? O’ yeah, Election Day. An election day with record turnout, especially among first-time black voters. If you had spoken with poll workers or watched local news programs from CA, then you would have found out there was an extremely large number of black male voters that only voted for president and on Prop 8, leaving the rest of their ballots blank. What do you think was their vote on Prop 8? What do you think the pastor requested them to vote to avoid the fire and brimstone of Hell? There were numerous obstacles to the fight against Prop 8. False information was aired to the masses via TV and radio about how everything from education and property taxes would be negatively impacted due to gay marriage. Churches were demonstrating on street corners condemning gay marriage. Cars were blanketed with anti-gay leaflets and NO on Prop 8 yard signs and banners were routinely vandalized. Yes, other states have now legalized gay marriage, and we in CA continue to fight. How much of this can be contributed to these states not wanting to endure all of the same drama as what was unleashed here? And just how much did these states have to overcome money from other states funding the opposition? And how much did these states learn from CA and the human face we the ignorant gays of CA gave to the gay marriage fight. And let’s not forget that Gavin Newsom, Mayor of San Francisco, (not HRC), jumpstarted this marriage equality fight in 2004 and it took 4 to 5 years for other states to catch up. Dude, I would not judge the gays in DC from my computer in San Francisco, please don’t judge us from DC.

  45. Adam says

    Get a life.

    POSTED BY: LEOINDC | MAY 28, 2009 5:58:13 PM

    These are the self destructive statements that friends and foes say about us.
    LEOINDC get a pill and just stop publicly putting us down when you dissagree. We got that already coming from all sides. Until the voices of the sick among us stop the self insulting and siding with the side that opposes us, we will have more prop 8 up our noses to put it politely. Leon…get ur self a good friend with pills.

  46. philberto says

    I thought his was to be the “Change we can believe in”. Now it looks to be the “Change that helps me politically”. If he doesn’t step up to his LGBT promises soon then, come the next election, and his second term election, I will sit them both out and let the election fall where it may.

    Show us you are going to live up to your campaign promises or show us you are no better than Bush, Cheney and Limbaugh.

  47. paul c says

    It’s okay because he isn’t just ridiculing us and making light of our very serious concerns — he’s doing it to everyone he doesn’t give a shit about! Which is anyone who can’t help him at a given moment.

    I feel real good. Reeeeeal good.

  48. FunMe says

    It is so funny to see gays here saying “you queens” as if that is an argument in itself. Come on folks! Enough with attacking other gays. Try to understand why the majority here are upset.

    Honestly, the frustration and disappointment has been because of the SILENCE of President Obama and his INACTION on the many promises he gave to the GLBT community.

    A day after the Prop 8 bad news and President Obama has nothing good to say to us?

    As I mentioned, I WAS THERE yesterday. The GLBT protesters were the majority and VERY VISIBLE. I was barely crossing Santa Monica Blvd. to get in front of the Beverly Hills hotel, and I could notice the MANY RAINBOW FLAGS right away.

    People can stay silent (SILENCE = DEATH) and do nothing and keep with their “it’s only been 100 days, stop criticizing the President, it’s not all about us, yada, yada, yada ”

    I prefer to keep Obama’s feet to the fire, ESPECIALLY when he is BACK PEDALLING so much in the last 100 + days.

    I remind you of a Democratic President’s words:

    “Franklin Roosevelt is reported to have told people after they made their impassioned pleas, “You’ve convinced me. Now go out and force me to do it.”

  49. mike shackleford says

    Was it coincidential that the Supreme Court pic was announced on the Prop 8 decision day?
    No the g,l vote ain’t gonna make or break Obama in 2012. However the gay internet geeks who spearheaded his net-outreach & iconography could.

  50. ricardo says

    aloha andy….
    plenty of comments in the midst of these first several months. perhaps, a tour on the road would help beyond the separation occurring when the schedule starts. i’ve been on the road observing many places that i’ve visited and i’m surprised to see the lack of efforts made over the past two years. yet, in going out in west hollywood the other night — isn’t there something else that stems from media projects other than chat of fried chicken and donuts. perhaps, eating shit production culture and vapid slumber in the midst of purported issues — i’m still trying to figure out how getting to know your neighbors is visited by looking through their windows rather than knocking on the door. for some reason, i was never really aware that there were so many pussy curricula in the system.

    who knew?? thank you. i’ll keep the rest of the script in mind the next time i pick up eric berne.

  51. soulbrotha says

    There is nothing wrong with “holding Obama’s feet to fire”. But that isn’t the same as spewing venom without all the facts, which has been the basic protocol on these threads. Thank goodness for Daily Kos. Andy was big enough to post an update and admit his possible error in judgment on this matter. I’m sure no one else will follow suit. Where is Jeffrey, who accused me of being an “apologist” because I wouldn’t make a judgment call without all the facts and besides, he “SAW IT ON THE NEWS AND HAS IT ON DVR!” What do you have to say now, Jeffrey?

  52. Alex N says

    It doesn’t matter that gays weren’t the only protesters. It was a day after the constitutional ban was upheld in this very state, and a day after people took to the streets of the very city in which he was speaking to a group of bloated , useless entertainers with a desire to feel political in the most bourgeois sense of the term… Listening to Obama’s speeches, hearing that self-congratulatory wink of false modesty in his tone, suits his Hollywood audience perfectly because it makes them feel like they are in on the joke. There is an elitist ugliness to this egomaniacal man that I have always found transparent, and the notion that my civil rights should be made light of even unintentionally is unacceptable from the leader of our country. Patience and freedom are antipathic in my opinion.

  53. David says

    Whether his snide comment was a personal swipe at the gay community or not, what’s clear is that just after a major setback in civil rights in the state of California, Obama appears in L.A. before a bunch of rich, spoiled celebrities and can’t even be bothered to mention what people around the globe are talking about, like it isn’t even happening. His silence is deafening, and utterly chilling to me.

  54. hephaestion says

    Well, we now have a theme for every gay pride parade to be held in June:

    KEEP YOUR PROMISES, OBAMA!!!!

  55. jjasonham says

    I cosign SoulBrotha’s comment.

    I can understand why people are frustrated. I do not, however, understand why people are outraged. Unless someone has a quote from Obama saying he was supposed to do everything to promote the gay agenda within the first year of his presidency, I’m willing to give him time. Be a realist! Think logically! Look at what is happening politically here, in America and the rest of the world! Just because you prioritize the bills you pay doesn’t mean that you care any less about the bills you pay later. I will be in a blind rage if I hear Obama actively backtrack on his previous comments. Silence does not always mean that someone doesn’t plan on action, just like acknowledgment doesn’t necessarily guarantee action. Slow and steady wins the race people! Rights for blacks in the civil rights movement was more or less a continuous movement that took decades, starting from the abolishment of slavery. I believe that gay rights are much further along than many people acknowledge. Thanks to a new generation, it’s becoming a desensitized issue. Patience! I’m very curious to see how many of the people that are very strident in their criticisms and only looking for a short timetable are older. Note: I am not trying to be ageist or making accusations! I’m simply drawing attention to the fact that different generations have different approaches to different issues.

  56. Let'sFaceIt says

    I love how some apologists are stating, “There were other protestors there!” as though saying, “oh…okay..maybe Obama and the fancy dinner crowd were laughing at them and not us!” As though then it’s okay.

  57. jimwatson says

    If he wasn’t a douche, he would have said something to the effect of “I made many promises during the Campaign and I intend to keep them all.”

    But no, he’s still just a douche.

  58. Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com says

    @ DJ: try taking a course in “Reading For Comprehension” before calling someone else a liar. Dishonesty is someone like you insisting “context” last night excuses Obama’s mocking [whomever] while insisting that the reason this discussion moved broader…the context of his months of silence and inaction, his betrayal of his promise re DADT not just by doing nothing to fight for its repeal but NOW DISCHARGING GAYS HIMSELF, his needless reassuring the homohaters that he’s still on their side re marriage equality in his Iowa decision comment, his spending just enough time with the mother of Matthew Shepard to create another propaganda photo, ad nauseum…is unimportant, irrelevant, fantasy rather than day by day, week by week, month by month FACT.

    @ Scott: You don’t “think” you “get why Obama has been silent up to this point” re DADT…you’re merely repeating like a trained talking bird the false talking point that Obama Inc. sent out months ago. False because Clinton did NOT act too fast, he acted too slowly. And, again, he’s NOT entirely been silent….he’s [thru his spokesperson] declared that someone on his behalf will go into court and say, “WE WANT THIS PERSON DISCHARGED simply because they’re gay.” Note, not because they’re Armenian. The discharge body count so far? Approximately 220 since he was sworn in.

    As for your remouthing the magpie meme about “Other truly urgent national and international matters to deal with,” do you mean like traveling to a hole in the wall outside of DC to blow an hour turning Cheeseburgers with Joe into a pseudo populist photo op, throwing some burgers to the trained seals from the press? Do you mean calling into a radio show to discuss his NCAA Finals picks? Do you mean filming a promo for George Lopez’s new TV show? Do you mean starring in THREE DIFFERENT events in 3 different places last weekend in which he waxed long and poetic about how much he and America owes people in the military …UNLESS THEY’RE GAY OF COURSE.

    @ Ignacio: Obama SAID this; Obama SAID that. TRANSLATION: blah blah blah. His words served their purpose…now it’s time, it’s PAST time for ACTION. Or do you have a bad case of Battered Wife Syndrome: “sure he’s a terrible husband but he says he loves me”?

    NOW he’s claimed he likes that people are holding his feet to the fire???? WOW! STOP THE PRESSES! WE’VE ALL BEEN WRONG! CALL SALLY FIELDS: “He still loves us. He really loves us!”

    NOW he goes from breaking promises to simply taling about breaking promises and the Little Obama Girls [and I don’t mean Sasha and Malia] are wetting themselves and speaking in tongues again? “Momma! Another Messiah miracle: He turned water into hot air!”

    All he’s fake embracing is a fucking lame metaphor while STILL waving the protestors away with a joke…insulted ALL of them… in classic George Bush fashion….”ya didn’t lay a hand on me.”

    Forget his feet. It’s time he got off his goddamn ass and DID SOMETHING other than TALK.

    WASHINGTON….OCTOBER…and I don’t mean the White House Pumpkin Carving Contest.

  59. Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com says

    @ DJ: try taking a course in “Reading For Comprehension” before calling someone else a liar. And buying a dictionary. The definition of “liar” is NOT “anyone who dares criticize my Barack Christ.”

    But here’s a definition of “dishonesty”: someone like you insisting “context” last night excuses Obama’s mocking [whomever] while insisting that the reason this discussion moved broader…the context of his months of silence and inaction, his betrayal of his promise re DADT not just by doing nothing to fight for its repeal but NOW DISCHARGING GAYS HIMSELF, his needless reassuring the homohaters that he’s still on their side re marriage equality in his Iowa decision comment, his spending just enough time with the mother of Matthew Shepard to create another propaganda photo, ad nauseum…is unimportant, irrelevant, fantasy rather than day by day, week by week, month by month FACT.

    @ Scott: You don’t “think” you “get why Obama has been silent up to this point” re DADT…you’re merely repeating like a trained talking bird the false talking point that Obama Inc. sent out months ago. False because Clinton did NOT act too fast, he acted too slowly. And, again, he’s NOT entirely been silent….he’s [thru his spokesperson] declared that someone on his behalf will go into court and say, “WE WANT THIS PERSON DISCHARGED simply because they’re gay.” Note, not because they’re Armenian. The discharge body count so far? Approximately 220 since he was sworn in.

    As for your remouthing the magpie meme about “Other truly urgent national and international matters to deal with,” do you mean like traveling to a hole in the wall outside of DC to blow an hour turning Cheeseburgers with Joe into a pseudo populist photo op, throwing some burgers to the trained seals from the press? Do you mean calling into a radio show to discuss his NCAA Finals picks? Do you mean filming a promo for George Lopez’s new TV show? Do you mean starring in THREE DIFFERENT events in 3 different places last weekend in which he waxed long and poetic about how much he and America owes people in the military …UNLESS THEY’RE GAY OF COURSE.

    @ Ignacio: Obama SAID this; Obama SAID that. TRANSLATION: blah blah blah. His words served their purpose…now it’s time, it’s PAST time for ACTION. Or do you have a bad case of Battered Wife Syndrome: “sure he’s a terrible husband but he says he loves me”?

    NOW he’s claimed he likes that people are holding his feet to the fire???? WOW! STOP THE PRESSES! WE’VE ALL BEEN WRONG! CALL SALLY FIELDS: “He still loves us. He really loves us!”

    NOW he goes from breaking promises to simply taling about breaking promises and the Little Obama Girls [and I don’t mean Sasha and Malia] are wetting themselves and speaking in tongues again? “Momma! Another Messiah miracle: He turned water into hot air!”

    All he’s fake embracing is a fucking lame metaphor while STILL waving the protestors away with a joke…insulted ALL of them… in classic George Bush fashion….”ya didn’t lay a hand on me.”

    Forget his feet. It’s time he got off his goddamn ass and DID SOMETHING other than TALK.

    WASHINGTON….OCTOBER…and I don’t mean the White House Pumpkin Carving Contest.

  60. jjasonham says

    I love how some people like Let’sfaceit call people “apologists”. Show me what Obama has “done” that needs to be apologized for. Inaction on gay rights within an ambiguous time frame does not warrant an apology. Most of the people you call apologists seem like realists to me. One important thing to remember: There is a context to everything!! This is especially accurate when describing politicians’ actions. It not realistic to assume that Obama will not do anything about gay rights, just because he hasn’t yet. That is a huge assumption, especially when you compare it to everything he HAS done, that was explicitly mentioned, along with gay rights, in his campaign.

  61. soulbrotha says

    “Just because you prioritize the bills you pay, doesn’t mean that you care any less about the bills you pay later.”

    JJASONHAM, that was a terrific analogy. I agree with your comment completely. So many of these commenters seem to want their victory handed over to them on a silver platter without any time and effort on their parts, and will then make ironic comparisons to the Civil Rights Movement. As evident by the comment right after yours, people will see in this what they want to see. So don’t expect patience anytime soon.

  62. says

    Jason,

    Look up the word “prioritize.” You will find that it means deciding which things you care about and which things you don’t. The president does not give any indication that he cares about GLBT rights or intends to do anything meaningful about them.

    You are probably right that many of us who are voicing frustration are older– I’m 44. We’ve seen this dance before. We’ve seen Dems sidle up to gays to raise money but never manage to follow through with a damn fucking thing over and over and over.

    You are young and naive and you trust the nice handsome man. That’s how lots of nice gay boys got AIDS and died. I remember that, too.

    But nothing bad could ever to you, could it?

  63. Automotive Enthusiast says

    All of you Obama-Bashing whiny little douche-bags are THE MOST ignorant contemptible slobs I have ever seen.Lord have mercy.

    I bet if Obama wins the 2012 election you will all feel what you actually are…STUPID!!!

    By the way,those of you who plan to vote republican next election,lightning will strike you dead.You are hypocritical fags who have done NOTHING to contribute to our cause.You are all just a bunch of whiny little bastards who are still pissed that Hilary didnt win the primaries.Get over yourself you pathetic little losers.Im done with the ignorance of fuckers like you.You are an embarrassment to gays.

    Now go one and say some stupid shit in retaliation to my point.Yea you can dish it out but you cant take it.TURDS!!!

  64. Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com says

    Your “point” only seems to be demonstrating your toy box of ad hominems, slurs, four-letter words, and coprophilia.

  65. says

    Dear Car Lover,

    It is odd how fixated on Hillary Clinton some of us are, isn’t it? I’m awfully glad she lost the primaries, wish she would have bowed out earlier, thrilled to death that Obama is president.

    I don’t get why anyone gives a shit what she might or might have done about gays had she been president. I’m confident that the economy is in an infinitely better place because he is president. He makes people feel better about themselves and America and that makes the dollar stronger. Does anyone disagree with that? Does anyone disagree that the economy is the most pressing issue in the country now? So what the fuck does it matter what HRC would have done?

    But I’m pissed at Obama, too. He regards gay rights as an extra credit item, not part of the essential curriculum. That’s bullshit.

    The hysterical threats are annoying– I’m proud to have voted for Obama in 2008 and will be proud to do so again in 2012– but so is the misogyny and anti-gay bigotry with which you express your frustration.

    It does not serve Obama well to call the gays who criticize him queens and fags. It make it seem like even his gay supporters secretly hate gay people.

  66. Jeffrey says

    @soulbrotha Here is what you said earlier:
    “Jeffrey, Andy presented two different accounts. If being an apologist means making a fair judgment based on the FACTUAL report, then I guess that’s what I am. I didn’t see the news report obviously.”
    You said yourself that you HADN’T SEEN the video clip or transcript and yet you said you were sure Obama was innocent because you were basing your opinion on the FACTUAL report!!? If that doesn’t make you an apologist, then forgive me for assuming you were one. I had seen the video and I stand by my assessment of this incident. The joking manner that he uses to say “I don’t know which promise he is talking about” comes off as arrogant, dismissive and rude.
    If he wasn’t referring to the GLBT protesters, then he was making light of the people protesting about genocide or torture or the war. He should be much more sensitive to the severity of these issues and the people who care so deeply about them that we are willing to show up and demonstrate while others are content to post on blogs.
    The reaction would not be so dramatic if he hadn’t been so deafeningly silent about all the things that have taken place in the last few weeks. (oh and I almost forgot the Rick Warren and McClurkin incidents…) Not one mention of the advances in Iowa or Maine or the travesty out here in California. We just had our civil rights stripped away! First by the voters and then by the court. If that doesn’t ring some alarm bells in a President who believes in equal rights and justice for all people (a President who happens to know what it is like to be a minority in this f’d up country!) then I am appalled.
    Don’t you think it would have been an EXCELLENT opportunity to say a few words of encouragement to the GLBT folks who just got kicked in the teeth the day before?
    Please know that I am not some Obama hater.
    I supported him from very early in the primary, I always preferred him over Hillary or any of the others. I like him enormously. But he is letting us down.
    You can’t call yourself a “fierce advocate” for GLBT rights and then behave (or simply remain inert) as he has done.
    He, himself, said he “liked” that we are trying to hold his feet to the fire. So let’s do it. Let’s stop apologizing and making excuses for him. It is our job to say “what you are doing is not enough.” And when he finally actually does something we should say “Thanks! Now what are you going to do for us next? And when?”

  67. Jeffrey says

    Oh, and I forgot the other thing we are supposed to be patient about: Not one word about the injustice of his administration continuing to fire distinguished servicemen and women, including an Arab Linguist, simply because they have committed the unforgivable sin of being attracted to someone with the same sex organs.

  68. Nina says

    Looks like some fools here are willing to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

    Two words for you dipshiats: McCain Palin.

    It’s only the 2nd hundred days. Relax. He’s got this.

  69. Chitown Kev says

    OK, guys.

    I understand everybody’s frustration here. I remember the Clinton Administration too and this feeling is familiar (as Landon noted).

    As far as what political power we have, I think in terms of being able to decide a state one way or another with the gay vote alone. The only state where I think that can be done is Florida. Oregon is another possibility. California and New York are liberal enough that (more than likely) either state would tilt to the Dems regardless.

    What we need to do is to realize that we are an incresingly powerful political force and to act like it. Only then will the Dems respect us. And once they respect us and pass and sign our legislation, we will be loyal to them. But we should not give away gay money, gay votes, and our gay time for free.

    More later.

  70. Domaq says

    Let’s see. On Tuesday the CA Supreme Court upholds taking away CA gays’ right to marry. People around the state protest the decision. The very next day Obama comes to CA. Gays, among others, protest outside the event.

    Obama’s statement was very glib given the timing of his speach.

    I understand there are many crisis right now, but I did not think the priority of our issues would have fallen so low that Obama has forgotten he even made any promises to us. How about showing just a glimmer of the support for GLBT people that he showed on the campaign trail.

    It was very disappointing.

  71. soulbrotha says

    Jeffrey

    Please don’t put words in my mouth. I never said anything about being “sure that Obama was innocent…” What I said was that I would not make a judgment call without all the facts. Unless Channel 7 covered the entire event, then what you recorded on your DVR was a an edited clip. The words were intact but it was edited out of the whole speech and was not shown in context to the entire event. Therefore, I was not going to condemn (or support) Obama until I heard the full story.

    You said: “The reaction would not be so dramatic if he hadn’t been so deafeningly silent about all the things that have taken place in the last few weeks… Not one mention of the advances in Iowa or Maine or the travesty out here in California.”
    Obama said at the very beginning that he was for civil unions and that he would allow the states to decide gay marriage. And that is exactly what he has done. So what was he supposed to say? Yes it would have been great for him to say something encouraging, but considering his stance on gay marriage, how realistic is it to expect that? Wouldn’t it ring false even if he DID say something? Gays would still be cussing him and demanding he PROVE his supportive remarks.

    Though his remarks may be construed as insensitive, I personally don’t see it as the “major insult” that most people here are reading into it. Like you said, it’s a dramatic response born of frustrating silence. I personally think that Obama’s comment was directed at the NUMBER of promises that have been attributed to him by VARIOUS groups, some valid some not. Ill-timed? Yes. Insensitive? Yes, but I don’t believe intentionally so. Worthy of the vitriol I have seen spewed here in the past 24 hours? Not even close.

    And just as a side note, I personally don’t think that he can be officially accused of breaking a promise until his term is over and the promise has been unfulfilled. And even then it would have to be examined if he tried. The solutions may seem simple from where we stand, but since I’m not in his shoes dealing with the fucking mess he has been left to clean up by Bush, I am willing to give him time. That’s not apologetic, that’s just fair.

  72. says

    Well, here goes.
    It baffles me that President Obama’s administration has be absent, absolutely silent on anything regarding the GLBT community. Nothing. Marriage Equality in the North east is near damn a done deal. An amendment / Supreme Court / federal lawsuit in California, and nothing. California is nearly 1/8 of the United States population, that is a big damn deal. The press has pressed him on DADT every press conference for the last 5 meetings and nothing. The only good news has come out of the State department. Now, that is very good news and it can not happen with out the blessing of the president. Now, I can only speculate, but the politics of this may be timing. The answer may not be no, it may be the answer we are being given is, not now. There are big fucking fish to fry and the world does not revolve around us. Health care, a financial crisis, two “wars”. I’ll take a back seat to that. If those where my priorities, I might not open other battles and stay focused on mission critical objectives. Of course, who knows? Somebody knows, they just aren’t sharing that information. I remember a Presidential candidate, unafraid to share his thoughts on GLBT equality with a black church gathering. I remember a lot of things. And for the moment, this is what I think would be my plan of action to deal with the situation as it stands.

    Guidelines.
    What is the objective? Equal rights.
    Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face.
    Money, political pressure / power, education.
    What are we tired of? Lip service.

    Ok, first we have to acknowledge that we are only into this term like four months. I’m willing to give things some time. What to do in the interim? Here’s what I propose to do; Join this site http://gayrights.change.org and these sites http://www.http//:democrats.com, http://www.democrats.org/ and any other facebook or political site you desire. Work on the local politicians all the way up to the White House. We need to “voice out” as Cleo would say. Join these groups and tell them what the hell you think. Every time they ask you to do something, tell them why you are not going to lift a finger or send a dollar until something gets done in regards to GLBT equal rights. With me so far?

    IF nothing moves on these important issues by the end of the year, we pull our support and let them know why we are doing so. And I mean pull hard. I mean changing your registration from Democrat to Independent, maybe even Libertarian? Green party? I also mean pulling support for organizations that have been unproductive. We can not continue to reward poor performance. Now, the politicians that I know, the ones who really get it, the ones who have the guts to do what is right, I will support them with enthusiasm. There is no use punishing some for the wrong doing of others. Our local friends who have the courage to speak out and lend a hand, they continue to get support. We need to put everyone on notice. Democracy is not a spectator sport and we will no longer sit on the sidelines and bitch. We will act in the best interest of our community and the America we know should be.

  73. jjasonham says

    Landon,

    I decided to take your advice and look up the definition of “prioritize”.

    It is a transitive verb that means: To arrange or deal with in order of importance.

    It mentions nothing about caring more or less about the items that are prioritized. Most people realize that everything in life has to be prioritized based on limitations in time, finances, etc. Since I have yet to see any evidence that Obama plans to drop gay rights altogether, I am more than willing to accept that DADT and DOMA are a lower priority for the president AT THE MOMENT. That does not offend me. I do not assume, however, that it doesn’t offend others, and that’s fine. But those who are offended must realize that the president’s “prioritizing” does not dictate what he cares about the most. From what I’ve seen so far, most reasonable people can conclude that his most urgent priorities include the problems and issues that effect the most people. That would make the most sense. I’m willing to bet that if the president spent much of his “capital” on DADT or DOMA, while the economy continued to tail spin or health care was still derailed it wouldn’t go unnoticed. You saw what controversy was manufactured when he announced his NCAA tournament picks! I challenge you to look at it another way. By working on the big ticket items that benefit everyone, think about how much trust and “capital” he is earning to fight for our rights. In the meantime, momentum is building everywhere and the people who don’t mind gay marriage grow in numbers through simple generational shifts at the voting booth.

    I am 25, but calling me young and naive because I don’t view this situation cynically is idiotic. You assume way too much. A lot of nice gay boys got AIDS because they weren’t informed about it, and didn’t have personal or educational experience with the consequences of unsafe sex. People my age do have something you guys didn’t:a history of the disease. You see, precedent is a very powerful thing. Your argument that whatever happened will always happen again is weak and full of bitterness. Whether it’s politics, health issues, or civil rights ANYTHING can change. That is not a naive thing to say. I can think of a ton of people who changed history who believed that, but were accused of being naive.

  74. says

    Dear Jason,

    The problem is that HIV infections are going up, not down. Many, many people your age are refusing to learn. Trust me, your generation has a history with HIV already and it will get bigger and bigger, even if behavior changes radically today: many of you are already infected. The huge difference is that treatment makes HIV manageable for long enough that you are not seeing people die yet.

    Why are young people barebacking more than they did a decade ago? They trust that nothing bad will happen to them. They consider themselves superior to the gays of the past, just like you do.

    Many, many of the people who SHOULD be holding Obama’s feet to the fire are dead. Frankly, if they weren’t, the issues we are fighting for today would be settled.

    Risky sexual behavior, political apathy and naive trust– there are a lot more similarities between gay people in 1979 and 2009 than you think there are, kid.

    And your point of view is a good and necessary one. It is the right one for you to take, based on your experience. I am angry at you and others like you not because you disagree but because you want to shut other people up.