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  1. Lar says

    Aren’t there NCAA rules against college athletes doing paid work while they play for their schools? Also, it looks like this was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

    “Jordan and Donahoe have had a series of run-ins with the law in Lincoln. Jordan has paid fines for possessing or consuming alcohol as a minor, trespassing and assault, and Donahoe for maintaining a disorderly house and having an open alcohol container.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=3532146

    Anyway, I am not ready to make them heroes or martyrs no matter how cute some might find them.

  2. Tread says

    Right, Lar, because every other college kid is not guilty of being alcohol-consuming, porn-producing and consuming heathens.

    I swear, I never knew gay men were such prudes.

  3. Todd says

    NCAA rules don’t say they can’t do “paid work.” They can’t use their status as athletes for monetary gain. I believe they were both featured on Fratmen.tv as “wrestlers,” but they’re weren’t wearing their uniforms, their schools weren’t identified and they did not use their real names. Obviously, two very good schools were happy to take them.

    Just wish they’d done a scene TOGETHER.

  4. DR says

    The whole NCAA rules issue was a red herring. These guys are typical college kids. How many people berating them for drinking were totally dry in college? Yeah, thought so.

    The school was embarrassed, came up with a half-assed legal theory and the kids transferred to avoid years of drama. Now one is right back at the top of his weight class in the nation.

    At least both opf them get satisfaction that they’re in good schools and pursuing their wrestling careers without the nonsense.

  5. J. J. says

    Thanks, Trasker, for correcting the title of the show. I wondered why I couldn’t find “Behind The Lines” in my DVR listings. It’s because the show is called “Outside The Lines.” 9 a.m. Eastern time Sunday morning.

  6. anon says

    Doing Internet porn is not exactly epitaph worthy, nor is this really a civil rights issue, but they do make some good points. The argument they are missing is an important one, though, in that athletes are generally lauded and given special privileges in society, and thereby are expected to behave in accordance with higher standards, or more accurately, behave according to the dictates of those granting the special privileges. Or more bluntly, don’t piss off your coach!

  7. Jay says

    Two corrections:

    – who receives “internet messages”. either they’re email messages or chat messages.

    – fratmen tv is not necessarily frequented by gay men. it’s also frequented by straight men often too. and women.

  8. Dan says

    Guys, keep your erect cocks in your pants and don’t expect the general population to treat your dalliance with porn like just another choice.

    I loves the porn, but we shouldn’t try to make it socially acceptable. No guidance counselor offers it as a possible career checkbox, nor should they.

    This is all completely ludicrous.

  9. says

    Actually, ANON, it is a civil rights issue: the right to do what we want with our own bodies.

    And good on the guys for being steadfast and articulate in the face of ignorance, bigotry, and prudery.

  10. David says

    I don’t feel bad for them in the least. I played NCAA sports and had anyone on my team pulled that I would have helped crucify them myself. Clearly, neither one of them gave a sh*t about their teammates or how any of this would reflect on their teams or their schools.

  11. Marco says

    These two paid the price for their alleged “infractions” and bounced back strong. I appreciate their openness and their refusal to put on a fake coat of shame for their actions.
    Gay sexuality frightens so many straight men, obviously not a brave statement, but these two aren’t cowering and pretending that being the object of gay mens’ desire somehow makes them freaks or outcasts.

    Their interviews made me smile more than their videos. Although, I gotta say, Donahue??? You can take me to the mat any day of the week.

  12. Luka says

    I don’t understand what the big deal is? Two fit college students decided to do some porn.. oh wow! All they were doing is what we all do behind closed doors(usually), except infront of a camera. Plus, as far as I know, they only did it the one time.

    People need to unwad their fucking undies. I doubt I’d ever do porn, but it sure sounds like a fun way to make some money. 😉

  13. Marco says

    Guys, keep your erect cocks in your pants and don’t expect the general population to treat your dalliance with porn like just another choice. — Dan

    Porn is a billion dollar business with the lion share belonging to straights. I also prefer to keep my porn DL, but the general population has embraced porno and just don’t fess up to it. Love of porn doesn’t have a generation gap either.

  14. atheist says

    Oh my god, you mean guys masturbate – even in front of a camera?? Prudish people of america – please grow up and get a sense of humour !

  15. DD says

    @Mike, I recall the owner saying that they were going to hold off until the ESPN thing aired and would give refunds to those who joined just to see Paul.

  16. Brian says

    I agree they are very hot but come on they violated a NCAA rule. NCAA prohibits athletes from receiving compensation for the use of their images by anyone seeking commercial gain.
    Come on these guys are getting a free college education for their hard work.

  17. rick says

    “Jordan has paid fines for possessing or consuming alcohol as a minor, trespassing and assault, and Donahoe for maintaining a disorderly house and having an open alcohol container.”

    When I was at university, these were compulsory.

  18. mike says

    Um, gee, Dan, why shouldn’t adult erotic entertainment (aka, porn) be socially acceptable? It’s a privacy issue (obtaining porn as an adult) and as for the two athletes, they chose to do it, they were not coerced and they were of the legal age of consent. What’s the problem? And as for the unsympathetic “David” who would have helped “crucify them”, I can only say “rah rah rah ziss boom bah”! Just love your team spirit! I guess you must have majored in assholeology.

  19. Mike says

    @DD, it’s not gonna happen. The owner of the site lured people in with “Nash”. How many people are really gonna ask for a refund for one month? The lie served it’s purpose.

  20. sonico says

    poor guys for having this stuff aired out so publicly – in front of their families/friends etc. must be a nightmare, and they’re doing great given the circumstances.

    however, the fact that ‘they didn’t know’ people in their colleges would see the pics is a pretty dumb excuse – everyone knows that the internet pics are forever and infinitely duplicatable…

    i have nude pics of myself out (face only or body sans face) and i always worry about someone forwarding/posting/sending them around – all it takes is one crazy person…

  21. gr8guyca says

    When girls have posed for Playboy’s “Girls of the Big 10″ issue,
    they have not, generally, been punished.

    So, is the issue:

    1) That they posed nude for a photographer?
    2) That they posed nude for a video?
    3) That they masturbated on camera?
    4) That the video appeared on line?
    5) That the video appeared on a gay web site?

    For which of these offenses were they actually being
    punished? And if a girl had done the same thing for
    Playboy or other straight web site, would the punishment
    have been the same?

    And, as an aside, Paul is totally hot.

  22. Craig says

    Brian, they are NOT receiving a free education. Wrestling is an equivalency sport, unlike football and basketball. equivalency sport athletes rarely get a full scholarship. They get a fraction of one because of NCAA limits on scholarships. For example, a school’s baseball team can give out up to 11.7 scholarships. A wrestling team can use up to 9.9. A baseball team needs a hell of a lot more than 11.7 players and it’d be difficult to compete at the team level in wrestling with under 10 wrestlers. That is in stark contrast to football where schools can give up to 85 scholarships all of which must be full scholarships. A large number of NCAA athletes in sports other than football and basketball can and often do have jobs during the school year just to afford school. There are limits on how much they can work and those limits are proportional to the scholarship fraction they received. If these two young men violated an NCAA rule, it was not the fact they were working, it was the fact they didn’t get it cleared through the school’s NCAA compliance office and reported as part of their income.

  23. Lar says

    Fine. I’ll grant the drinking. But the assault and trespass? Not exactly model behavior.

    I’m suprised that no one has posted the the comment that these two have done more for gay rights than Obama. The trolls must be sleeping today.

  24. Matt says

    @Dan- Get real.. if you consume porn but you’re still saying no one should be doing it, you are an ass, or crazy, or both

    It’d be great if we could move more porn out from the underground to legitimacy so people involved can enter into fair contracts, have safer working conditions, etc.

    Weird that posters on a gay blog can be such incredible prudes.

    Oh, and my first boyfriend went to Purdue- it’s only an hour away- so I think this would be my official holler @ Kenny

  25. Nick says

    Mike,

    a lot of people would ask for a subscription refund. Especially if they didn’t get what they paid for (Paul/”Nash”). Anyway, apparently the relationship between Paul and the owner of FM is friendly enough that they’ve stayed contact since the entire scandal started. And obviously Paul isn’t ashamed of it so I don’t think it’s a huge stretch to think he’ll show his face on Fratpad again.

  26. Joe in SF says

    these guys broke the rules and got slammed down hard by the homophobic NCAA sports establishment. Sure, they let their teammates down but they also paid a huge price — temporarily being banned from their beloved sport, switching colleges, the shock to their families and friends, etc.

    I am impressed how Paul has come back wrestling and winning. That says a lot about his character, more than some stupid prank does.

  27. nic says

    it is absurd that these two should be held to a higher standard than other people their age simply because they are athletes. college athletics should not demand such. moreover, i detest the puritanism of many of the commenters on this thread. guys masturbate. women masturbate. it is the same judgmental-ism that objects to these guys posing or doing whatever they want to do that denies gay men and lesbians equal rights. in contrast, it is the “fuck it” ‘tude of these young men that will be the salvation of gays. sex is sex. they get it. sex does not define a person. as we go on about our lives, the act of sex takes only a small portion of the day. it is what we do during the rest of the day that lets us (and everyone else) know what we are all about.

    well, it seems that these young men are doing well. i heap all kinds of praise on them. they have nothing to be ashamed of –neither philosophically nor physically. they did a video that made people smile. get over it, already!

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