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Mormons Play Victim, Claim Threats by Gays Like Treatment of Blacks in the South During Civil Rights Movement

Elder Dallin Oaks, a high-ranking Mormon, delivered a speech on Tuesday at Brigham Young University claiming that backlash by gays against the Church of Latter Day Saints following the passage of Proposition 8 was like the treatment of Blacks in the South during the civil rights movement.

Oaks Watch a FOX 13 report and interview with Equality Utah and Mormon Elder Dallin Oaks, AFTER THE JUMP...

FOX 13 reports:

"Elder Dallin H. Oaks refers to gay marriage as an 'alleged civil right' in remarks prepared for delivery at Brigham Young University- Idaho, a speech church officials describe as a significant commentary on current threats to religious freedom. In an advance copy provided to The Associated Press, Oaks suggests that atheists and others are seeking to intimidate people of faith and silence their voices in the public square...In an interview Monday before the speech, Oaks said he did not consider it provocative to compare the treatment of Mormons in the election's aftermath to that of blacks in the civil rights era, and said he stands by the analogy. 'It may be offensive to some -- maybe because it hadn't occurred to them that they were putting themselves in the same category as people we deplore from that bygone era,' he said."

Asks Dan Savage: "How many Mormons were lynched after Prop 8? how many Temples were firebombed?"

Adds John Aravosis: "It really is the height of arrogance, and rather un-American to boot, for the Mormons to spend their money freely, in state after state, in an effort to force Americans to live under Mormon law, and then suggest that no one in America is permitted to even disagree with what the Mormons are doing, lest we oppress their efforts to oppress."

Reid In related news, Senate Majority Leader and Mormon Harry Reid, who has been surprisingly outspoken as of late in his support for gay rights (he penned a letter publicly endorsing last weekend's National Equality March), struck out at his own church last week, criticizing the LDS for backing Proposition 8, saying they should have stayed out of it.

The Salt Lake Tribune reports: "Three organizers of the past weekend's National Equality March said Reid brought up the topic during a conversation in his office. 'He said that he thought it was a waste of church resources and good will,' said Derek Washington, a Nevadan who worked as the outreach director for the march. 'He said he didn't think it was appropriate.' Reid spokesman Jon Summers would not discuss the private meeting, but he didn't deny the conversation took place. 'While Senator Reid agrees with his church that marriage is between a man and a woman,' Summers said, 'he also believes that the resources that went into the Proposition 8 effort could have been put to better use.' LDS Church officials declined to comment Monday."

Watch a FOX 13 report and interview with Equality Utah and Mormon Elder Dallin Oaks,
AFTER THE JUMP...

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  1. OMFG. Are they for real?
    TAX THE CHURCHES!

    Posted by: Shane | Oct 14, 2009 8:55:13 AM


  2. Perhaps their magic undergarments are
    a bit too tight cutting off air supply to what passes for their collective brains.
    Unfortunately- even though they should be irrelevant -they aren't. They control
    Utah politics and have their hands in every aspect of our economy- check them out-it is scary. Their theology is bogus but true to form-one of the fastest growing in the world. Their history of bigotry and homophobia is well documented but they are fortunate -they function in a world where truth doesn't matter to the masses.

    Posted by: Nick | Oct 14, 2009 9:06:20 AM


  3. Keep your religious BS out of our CIVIL LAWS!

    Posted by: Disgusted American | Oct 14, 2009 9:21:05 AM


  4. Bitch, please. If you're going to be a pussy, don't pick fights you can't finish.

    Posted by: MikeMick | Oct 14, 2009 9:21:27 AM


  5. Harry Reid is in a good position. Because of his high rank and power, the LDS would be an idiot to excommunicate him, which gives him free reign to criticize them as much as he wants. You go, Harry!

    Posted by: J.P. | Oct 14, 2009 9:23:36 AM


  6. Go Derek! Woot!

    Posted by: crispy | Oct 14, 2009 9:27:15 AM


  7. Being a former Mormon, I have to say, no one does the "Persecuted Victim" better than mormons. No doubt, they were greatly persecuted back when they were a minority. How quickly they forget. Is tolerance dead?

    Posted by: Louis | Oct 14, 2009 9:42:27 AM


  8. If anyone knows about discrimination and intolerance against people of color, it's the Mormons..

    Posted by: JTlvr | Oct 14, 2009 9:49:26 AM


  9. What a vile disrespect of American Blacks.

    What a gross perversion of American history.

    I agree with Dan Savage:

    "The same people who insist that gays and lesbians can't compare our movement for equality to the African American Civil Rights Movement—even when its gay and lesbian African Americans who make the comparison—are going jump down the Mormons' throats for this one.

    Right?"

    Posted by: Mark | Oct 14, 2009 9:57:30 AM


  10. The Mormon "Church" linking itself to the AA civil rights movement is definitely abhorrent, but gay "activists" laying claim to the same legacy is equally as misdirected and ridiculous. Every time I hear "gay is the new black", it sounds like Yoko Ono singing the national anthem while gargling lemon juice. We have NO right to make that claim, even if we were putting the hard lessons of that movement to use, which we are not interested in doing at all. Perhaps some people in the gay "movement" need to educate themselves about how groups like the SCLC and SNCC made their advances, and why movements without leadership inevitably fail for multiple reasons. Gay isn't the new black; it might not even be the new "gay" from what I can tell.

    Posted by: Mitch Shea | Oct 14, 2009 10:09:59 AM


  11. Re: “a speech church officials describe as a significant commentary on current threats to religious freedom”

    What about the right of religious or nonreligious freedom for the Gay community. The Mormons along with the Christians and Muslims clearly will not tolerate any faith or non-faith that does not bow to their false god.

    Posted by: 1♥ | Oct 14, 2009 10:49:04 AM


  12. Great posting, though quoting Dan Savage and John Aravosis for this sort of article is kinda like quoting my mom in how a great such-and-such I am.

    Posted by: zeddy | Oct 14, 2009 11:14:35 AM


  13. Instead of thinly veiled words, why doesn't Dan Savage just come right out and say what he is really thinking:

    "Dumb, ignorant Blacks, (and we all know that most Blacks are anti-gay, right?) who refuse to acknowledge that I am right are really gonna be pissed at the Mormons."

    Posted by: Q | Oct 14, 2009 11:33:10 AM


  14. This is the height of hypocrisy. The Mormons disallowed Blacks to hold the Priesthood up until 1978. Now they want to compare themselves to people they themselves discrimated against?

    Posted by: Steve Evans | Oct 14, 2009 11:42:28 AM


  15. These vile sacks of filth believed for years (and probably still do) that black people's skin color is the mark of Cain, and they have the nerve to compare themselves to lynching victims who were lynched because of beliefs just like those of the Mormon filth?

    Gay IS not only the new black but the new Jewish as well, while Christians are the new Dixiecrats, and Muslims are the new Nazis. Or did you not see the report of that guy in a coma who was attacked FOR BEING GAY, Mitchshea? Or the brutal attack in Canada, where LGBT citizens have full equality, Mitchshea? Or the daily attacks on us from the goyim. Or have you not seen the jihad against us in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and basically most of the Muslim Middle East, Mitchshea? Or the war on gays in Jamaica, ignored by the bigots in government, and encouraged by murder "music" "artists"?

    We are being targeted, just like black people were in South where the racist traitors of the War of Southern Treason were gods. Just like the Jews were by, well, almost all non-Jews in history. And some of us are still forced to hide our sexuality for our own protection, just like Jews were from bigoted gentiles. But we are of all races, all faiths, and all nations. This isn't just Mississippi Burning, but the whole world.

    Posted by: Attmay | Oct 14, 2009 12:42:49 PM


  16. Since Shit Romney(the mormon loony that tied his dog to the roof of his family car) is planning a statewide run for public office in California it's just a matter of time before we rehash Prop 8 here in California with the Morons vs the gays. Can some elected official with actual power in state office please find a way to ENFORCE the laws of separation of church and state? Can the churches please be taxed and pay their fair share? Can all the churches linked to political activities please lose their NON-PROFIT status? Nice to know that my gay tax dollar is used daily to deny me my civil rights here in the United States.

    Posted by: SFshawn | Oct 14, 2009 12:43:18 PM


  17. I'm Black an d I do think we can claim to being the new civil rights movement. I fought to use "We shall overcome" as our march anthem. I lost that battle because the Whites thought there would be too much of a backlash, which, I'm sure there would have been. It was written by a white man and chosen by a Black Gay man as the anthem for the movement (Bayard Rustin). We are denied our civil right.

    Listen, if they could take away the legal rights of middle class, mostly white , educated Gays in California, imagine what they could do to poor Blacks or other minorities.

    Gay rights are Minority Rights. Gay IS the new Black. IMHO.

    Posted by: Derek Washington | Oct 14, 2009 1:05:27 PM


  18. If you actually read a lot of the articles written about this in the Utah news outlets, and the predictably vile pro- and counter- comments that follow them, it's really sort of comical.

    The arguments (on both sides) get utterly confused, because you have Mormons, gays, and sympathizers with both sides arguing over who is the bigger victim, whose rights are already being taken away, whose further rights are at risk of being taken away... more than half of what Oaks says, could just as easily describe the Gays as well as the Mormons.

    As much as people argue that hate crime and non-discrimination laws create "special classes," and assert that special classes are a bad thing, what are religious views, other than beliefs that apparently merit special consideration and class treatment?

    Personally, I'd rather not fight for the position of who is the worst victim...

    Posted by: Mark in Portland | Oct 14, 2009 1:18:25 PM


  19. Just the idea of racist white trash Dan Savage feigning outrage when he tried to pull the same stunt is enough to make me close my ears whenever that douche speaks....

    Posted by: Davey | Oct 14, 2009 2:29:53 PM


  20. Yes, and Hitler was just a victim, too.

    Posted by: Jon | Oct 14, 2009 3:56:08 PM


  21. No surprise, the Mormon Religion is incredibly passive-agressive.

    Posted by: Daniel | Oct 14, 2009 4:31:55 PM


  22. Perhaps you are unaware, but several Mormon church buildings were in fact vandalized following the passage of Proposition 8. Is it really so out of line to compare this to other attempts at violent intimidation of other minorities such as blacks?

    Posted by: Cicero | Oct 14, 2009 4:47:47 PM


  23. I feel nothing but contempt for the Mormon church. They do their damndest to harm us and then say we are victimizing THEM? What? Fuck you, you douchebags!

    Posted by: CKNJ | Oct 14, 2009 6:01:45 PM


  24. BTW Dereck YOU WERE GREAT AT THE RALLY.

    Thanks for all the work you did.

    Posted by: MCnNYC | Oct 14, 2009 6:13:06 PM


  25. Cicero,

    Can you not see the difference between the attacks on gays who have done nothing, or retaliation towards Mor(m)ons for their bigotry?

    If a church that preached white supremacy had been vandalized by a black man, the black man would be in the right. If a white man vandalized a black church that advocated taking rights from no one, the white man would be in the wrong.

    Posted by: Attmay | Oct 14, 2009 7:23:32 PM


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