Gays and Lesbians in the Cold on Immigration Reform Bill

The "comprehensive" immigration reform bill introduced this month does not include gays and lesbians.

Gutierrez "The lawmaker said Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.), who has led the House effort on comprehensive immigration reform, initially 'didn’t want to deal with it. At all.' Then he tried to work out a 'stupid' compromise whereby the same-sex partner provisions would be in the bill but they wouldn’t take effect for five or six years, said this Member. ..Gutierrez denied that he wanted to keep gay and lesbian language out of his bill. 'That’s just not true,' he said, pointing to his long-standing record of supporting the gay community. The real issue, he said, is that same-sex partner matters have not come up in past immigration reform debates and people are still figuring out how to bring the two camps together. 'There has never been a serious, in-depth discussion between the gay and lesbian community and the immigrant community. It’s never existed,' Gutierrez said. 'It’s a new conversation, but not one that I’m fearful of. I welcome it. But you can’t expect after nearly two decades of struggle for a new component' to be quickly embraced."

An amendment with a same-sex provision has been proposed by Rep. Jared Polis (D-CO) who noted that a repeal of DOMA would alleviate the issue.

And:

Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.) said she was 'very frustrated' because she 'wanted to see a bill that was comprehensive. But we deal with political reality here.' Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), who earlier this year pronounced a DOMA repeal 'dead' this Congress, predicted it will be 'a very, very hard sell' to attach the same-sex provision to the immigration reform bill.

Gutierrez released a statement to the Windy City Times: "The process I am committed to being a part of in Congress will, I hope, address the unacceptable situation that lesbian and gay bi-national couples live under every day. … Everyone's goal should be a comprehensive immigration reform bill that includes a commitment to all families and honors our history as a nation of immigrants. That is my goal, and it is inclusive of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community, too."

The paper adds: "Gutierrez also noted his support for the Uniting American Families Act, which would let U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents to sponsor their gay and lesbian partners for immigration to the United States. That measure received a local boost in support last week as the Chicago City Council passed a resolution, introduced by Aldermen Tom Tunney and Daniel Solis, urging its passage in the House of Representatives."

Comments

  1. TANK says

    Political reality? HA HA HA HA…that’s like saying they live in candyland. It’s whatever you want it to be, or are willing to make a deal for. That’s all politics is…bartering.

  2. Chitown Kev says

    Would y’all listen to what Luis is saying, please?

    “There has never been a serious, in-depth discussion between the gay and lesbian community and the immigrant community. It’s never existed,’ Gutierrez said. ‘It’s a new conversation, but not one that I’m fearful of. I welcome it. But you can’t expect after nearly two decades of struggle for a new component’ to be quickly embraced.”

    No, Luis Gutierrez (who has taken on the President regarding immigration and health care) is not afraid of a conversation like this and, to some extent, these conversation have taken place in the Chicago area. Indeed, it’s probably these house queers like Baldwin and Frank that are afraid of this conversation.

  3. InExile says

    What this bill means is American citizens with same sex (foreign born) partners will not be included but people currently in the US illegally will be.

    As an American citizen living exiled in France for the last 4 years with my partner of 15 years this news is an absolute outrage! How can illegal immigrants be placed “in front” of American citizens?

    Same sex bi-national couples were led to believe we would be included in this legislation but we were thrown under the bus again.

    Heterosexual couples simply need to be engaged to get a visa for their foreign born partners while same sex couples have no options. Same sex couples only have 2 options (1)MOVE to another country or (2)SEPARATE.

  4. InExile says

    I would also like to add that Rep. Luis Gutierrez said he supports the Uniting American Families Act but what he doesn’t say is that bill has no chance of passage unless it is included in Comprehensive Immigration Reform. The UAFA has been introduced in every Congress for the last 10 years and goes nowhere.

  5. says

    While rights of the most critical value we consider inherent and plain, many of our fellow citizens may require a more personal reference. What about a add-on to the health bill that stipulates only religious ceremonies documented in the talmud or torah will be recognized as “married?”

  6. says

    I’m in a bi national relationship now. The political reality is the democrats are afraid of the right wing and the church! The real deal here is it’s a gay issue. If it wasn’t a gay issue it would have been passed a long time ago! (Uniting American families act)
    I’m about to be living in exile from my country, I’m going to have to live in Asian because the country that I once loved and cared about doesn’t give a rats ass about me! So I’ll close down my business put people out of work all because the people that say they stand for civil right don’t or should I say they don’t stand for gay rights. We have a president that is mainly all talk when it comes to gay rights. There are groups like the HRC and Immigration Equ that are mainly after our money and that’s it, throw the dog a bone now and then make them happy and get more money from them.
    InExile said it like it is!
    Luis Gutierrez is just chicken shit to take this on, every gay person and people in a bi national relationship should write him and give him a piece of there mind.
    I’m just sick to my stomach with this government land of the free and brave, ya right, just try being gay in this country.

  7. Dave says

    I am sympathetic to the notion that adding provisions protecting GLBT couples could be a poison pill for what is an important bill.

    I am also frustrated that we are effectively not included, but the political process is a very real thing, and we are only beginning to work it for anything beyond the narrowest of legal protections.

    He’s absolutely right that this community does need to do more outreach and address topics of concern to the broader community. We haven’t had a strong voice in healthcare or immigration reform or urban redevelopment or education policy (save some library books).

  8. Chitown Kev says

    Well…let’s not forget that “the right wing and the church” ain’t too keen on immigration issues either. Gutierrez called Obama out because of Obama’s apparent capitualation on the immigration issues as regards health care (in the House version, illeagals can pay into their own insurance, but not in the Senate bill).

    Let’s face it… at times, our community does a piss poor job of working in coalitions with other groups. The gay and immigrant communities have a common enemy here (and, to the extent that there are gay immigrants, the 2 communities have commonalities).

    Gutierrez is also one of the sponsors of the DOMA repeal bill that will languish in the House…

    Now you can say that Gutierrez is “a chicken shit” all that you want. (Incidentally, Gutierrez is a Puerto Rican, I believe, and most of his constituents are Puerto Rican).

    Have the conversation THEN bitch if things don’t go your way…

  9. Kyle says

    “There has never been a serious, in-depth discussion between the gay and lesbian community and the immigrant community. It’s never existed…”

    Maybe because the immigrant community doesn’t know enough english to have a convo with. Just sayin’.

  10. DR says

    So all these politicians, including the LGB ones, recognize that there is a very real need to address these issues, but all they do is get frustrated?

    Wow, wait until November when we will hopefully “frustrate” them even more by voting their sorry behinds out of office!

  11. Randy says

    “There has never been a serious, in-depth discussion between the gay and lesbian community and the immigrant community.”

    That’s infuriating.

    1. So what if there hasn’t been a discussion? You can’t have “comprehensive” immigration reform if you intentionally leave people out.
    2. Whose job is it to make sure LGBT people are included? LGBT people have been talking about the need for this reform for decades. The blame does not rest with LGBTs.
    3. Any so-called “immigrant community” also includes LGBTs, whether they choose to respect them or not.
    4. Why should the biases of the “immigrant community” be used as an excuse to deny LGBT immigrants their rights now?

  12. says

    Dave
    This man is chicken shit! It’s a gay issue and it’s an immigration issue. By not adding the Uniting American families act into it, or adding a way for us to sponsor our loved ones he has slammed the door on over 35,000 plus gay couples waiting!
    Tell me why I’m legal married in Canada and about 19 other countries and not this one? I’ll tell you it is chicken shit Politian’s that are afraid to take on the crazy right wing, the church and the republican party that they only know how to spread hate. That’s why.
    The uniting families act is all written up and sitting in committee waiting for someone with balls to bring it to the floor for a vote. So don’t tell me we need to talk more about it, it has been talked about and talked about.
    Chitown Kev
    “Illegal’s can pay into their own insurance” In Canada a foreign person working or going to college there can buy into the system so why not here?
    “There has never been a serious, in-depth discussion between the gay and lesbian community and the immigrant community. It’s never existed…” Yes it has and it’s called the Uniting American families act, for the last 10 years it has been talked about!
    So what this guy is Puerto Rican that has nothing to do with the Uniting American families act or adding us the bill he wrote, the plane fact is, it’s gay and because it’s gay it’s never going to be added. Remember the bill is all ready written and ready for a vote on the floor.

  13. Martin says

    The Dems don’t want change. They want to get reelected. This is why they don’t touch anything of “change”, they are afraid of “change”. Change is just a word.
    The question is can they be reelected? Can they even get reelected.

    I live in a binational relationship with all its complications.
    If I compare politics here in Germany and there in the US… I am shocked how much American politics are influenced by the church, big industry and money. Nothing gets moved, nothing gets changed, nothing gets done. It is amazing how American politicians cling to power and they even say so: we won’t touch this issue because elections are close.

    Again American gays and lesbians have to realize that they are only second or third class citizens (as one commentator wrote that illegals have more rights than American gays and lesbians).
    It is important to say that the Democrats allow this injustice to happen.

    I am not convinced that the gay/lesbian immigration problem is new: Rep. Jerold Nadler, Sen. Leahy among many other politicians in the past have sponsored bills and ideas. All the gay/lesbian groups HRC… have lobbied Washington – or have they been absent on that matter???

  14. Chitown Kev says

    Uh, the politicians understand English quite well, otherwise they would get elected…

    And as I stated, the Senate HCR bill forbids illegal immigrants from even doing that; Gutierrez has been all over Obama on the immigration/HCR issue.

    Ok, if the bill is all written, get 218 votes in the House and 60 votes in the Senate.

  15. Chitown Kev says

    Let me add…

    I think we have 218+ votes in the House for immigration reform with UAFA. We don’t have 60 votes in the Senate.

    And Nancy Pelosi doesn’t want to move on anything that won’t move in the Senate.

    And I damn sure don’t think that Obama will help in any way with this…

  16. stephen says

    Is anyone really shocked? The conversation hasn’t taken place b/c most people wish the gays (who represent liability to them) would just go away.

    These pols need to ‘re-frame’ all these issues as human-rights, not ‘gay’ or ‘straight’ or ‘immigrant’ or whateva!

    Get a backbone, pussies.

  17. Sandy says

    Lets contact our representatives in Congress and tell them that we don’t want them to support this immigration bill unless it includes UAFA provisions. The only way we will get what we want is if we keep on the backs of our representatives! And we need more support, our numbers aren’t great enough, get your friends and family to call/write as well. We need every voice we can get.

  18. Xavier Deron says

    Chicken shit?
    Gutierrez has 100% SCORE FROM THE HRC

    Typical. The “hi may i help you” name-tag, wearing, bitter and entitled white gays at Towleroad instantly launch racist attacks and blame Guttierez.

    The problem isn’t Guitterez. He’s supporting LGBTs on ENDA, hate crimes, DADT, DOMA and everything. The problem is LGBT groups haven’t coalitioned with immigration groups, and, of course, many (white) gay men feel they don’t need to.

    You queens are pathetic. You expect everyone to help you and when they don’t you are only too quick to play the race card.

    FWIW, I’m Puerto Rican and really could care less about a few white gay men who want to get citizenship for their Brazilian and Argentine boy toys. And my BF is a gorgeous black American man. These comments are the reason why many if not most of us would never date you Beckys.

  19. Xavier Deron says

    >>>”There has never been a serious, in-depth discussion between the gay and lesbian community and the immigrant community. It’s never existed…”

    Maybe because the immigrant community doesn’t know enough english to have a convo with. Just sayin’.
    Posted by: Kyle | Dec 27, 2009 3:07:47 PM

    Which “Kyle” are you, hon?
    The “Soup or salad” Kyle in Chelsea?
    The “Towels are Aisle 8″ Kyle at the Linens N Things in Boystown?

    Either way, I doubt used done much outreach to Latino immigration groups or politicians, who have been very supportive of LGBT rights.

    Oh and sucking off Puerto Rican trade off Craigslist does not qualify as “outreach: to immigration groups. Just a thought, hon. Just a thought.

  20. InExile says

    His SCORECARD is NOT 100% when he is pushing to legalize millions of illegal Mexican people and throwing gays under the bus at the same time. This is NOT comprehensive.

    If gays are not included, we should fight against this bills passage.

  21. patrick nyc says

    You queens are pathetic. You expect everyone to help you and when they don’t you are only too quick to play the race card.

    FWIW, I’m Puerto Rican and really could care less about a few white gay men who want to get citizenship for their Brazilian and Argentine boy toys. And my BF is a gorgeous black American man. These comments are the reason why many if not most of us would never date you Beckys.

    POSTED BY: XAVIER DERON
    ————
    Not sure what planet you are living on but that post of yours is very racist.

  22. Xavier Deron says

    “Why should we be doing outreach, it’s our fucking country!.

    Posted by: InExile | Dec 27, 2009 5:34:47 PM”

    Silly queen. Just like when you often call escorts and tell them your needs and demands are, you have to do the same with elected officials and advocacy groups. One cannot simply assume a random congressman will include your pet issue if you never vocalize your opinion.

    And of course it’s your country, dear. Now which hat are you wearing when you say that … “oppressed” gay or “entitled” white man who is used to everyone genuflecting? Hmmm?

  23. says

    Xavier
    You really have drank the cool aid haven’t you, The HRC, give us your money and we will see about throwing you a bone. Humm what have they done to get the UAFA passed, I’ll tell you nothing.
    Typical. The “hi may i help you” name-tag, wearing, bitter and entitled white gays at Towleroad instantly launch racist attacks and blame Guttierez.
    No one has thrown any racist attacks toward anyone here! Someone pointed out that he was of Spanish background and I said that doesn’t matter.
    These comments are the reason why many if not most of us would never date you Beckys
    Why don’t you read what people say and not what you want to hear.

    If a Politian supports only one gay bill and not all he isn’t supporting us at all. We should be on ever roof top screaming and beating our chests for our rights as Americans! We should be writing everyone from the white house down to the street cleaner for our rights, we should also be writing ever single news paper and TV station demanding they look into why our civil rights have been turned down.

    You see xavier basally said it all, I have my bf here so piss off. I don’t need to help.

  24. Rich says

    “There has never been a serious, in-depth discussion between the gay and lesbian community and the immigrant community. It’s never existed…”

    What? is that a joke? I and others have written to mainstream groups like Immigration Reform FOR America…and get no repsonse. All my blog comments are immediately deleted. The so-called mainstream groups, many heavily Latino, are supported by the Catholic Church, which has already stated its opposition to any reform bill which includes gay and lesbian couples. So what “serious discussion” can take place? Why should we extend our hand over and over to immigrant groups only to have it pushed away? Get real folks…the mainstream Latino immigration groups want nothing to do with us and only see our involvement as a threat to their success. They won’t even acknowledge the gay and lesbian members of their own communities.
    Any politician who won’t include us in comprehensive reform on our own merits does not deserve our support.

  25. JimSur212 says

    WITH THE 8 MODERATE (REALLY CONSERVATIVE) DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE, WHAT MAKES ANYONE THINK THAT COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM IS GOING TO PASS WITH OR WITHOUT US GAYS? WE MAY BE ARGUING OVER A MOOT POINT.

  26. says

    Did anyone read the story linked to this in Roll Call (first sentence of this article)? I suggest everyone read that story as well and realize that all hope is not lost with this bill, or with the future of including an LGBT provision in a comprehensive bill.

    Gutierrez makes a point we all should heed – we need to reach out to the LGBT Community AND the immigration reform community and build an alliance on this issue. We must not attack the immigration reform activists who are working at changing our nation’s sorely outdated immigration laws. That would be foolish as many of the organizations that support this bill (CIR ASAP) also support LGBT immigration rights, and the binational community needs ALL of the help that it can get in order to get the UAFA bill passed.

    Meet with your members of Congress, call, fax, e-mail, write letters, go to your local PFLAG, HRC or LGBT Community Center meetings, and keep telling our stories!

  27. Mike says

    It’s not just immigrants who have an issue. I was transferred to the United States by my American employers. My partner was not recognised as a spouse by the US government, so was not eligible to enter the country except by visa jiggery-pokery. He had to come in under a student visa, which was only of temporary use, because even when I gained residency, it didn’t change his status at all.

  28. Paul says

    This is very dissapointing and frustrating. This is a matter of what’s right and wrong and to not include LGBT issues on the immigration bill is just wrong and we should make our voices loud and clear! This is NOT FAIR. His excuse is lame and stupid:”There has never been a serious, in-depth discussion between the gay and lesbian community and the immigrant community. It’s never existed. All they need to know is that not including binational couples on the bill is PLAIN WRONG…what else do they need to talk about? How many people are waiting for this assholes to do something for them? How many people are being affected by this horrible mistake? What is there to talk about? People are suffering from not being able to have the same rights as heterosexuals couples..Is it really that hard to understand? Thank You Towleroad for bringing this issue to everyone’s attention! Please contact your Congress person and let them know how you feel about this horrible mistake!

  29. Mamie Biker says

    Hello my name is Mamie and I am a 20 year old lesbian from Calgary, Alberta Canada and I love black women as I am black myself. I find it much more enjoyable to be with women then men as I realize that my current boyfriend doesn’t know that I am gay, but I found out that he is a homosexual black man.

  30. says

    As a gay ‘immigrant’ (well, actually a student), I saw this coming long ago. If they refuse to even recognize your relationship as a marriage, why will they let you immigrate based on it?

    I agree with Martin above when he says, “The Dems don’t want change. They want to get reelected.” So true!

  31. says

    Gutierrez really has been fighting the good fight from way back. He was with us when I was in college—before there even were laptops!

    That said, it seems like this bill, if not inclusive, should die, just like the non-trans-inclusive ENDA (or was it hate crimes? Ugh, that gin is really strong).

    And speaking of Democrats, the DSCC called me the other night for money and the bozo on the phone had never even heard of DOMA and when I told him about it, he said, “Oh well I’m in Massachusetts, come here!” Good grief straight people are ignorant.

  32. Tim K says

    I am an American citizen in a bi-national relationship. My BF and I have been separated now longer than we have actually been together. Like a lot of you here, I was MORE than a little disappointed when the Gutierrez bill was introduced and, once again, America’s gay and lesbian citizens were left behind. Everyone here can bellyache all they want about this or that but the reality is that people like Rep Gutierrez are (I am REALLY hoping) doing all they can to “work within” our twisted labyrinth of a political system to effect LGBT-inclusive immigration reform.

    That said, if, as Rep Gutierrez admits, our inclusion is a “new conversation,” why not begin it NOW? We ALL need to raise our voices so people will hear us, hear about our issue and hear about our unfair treatment. Nineteen other countries currently allow their gay and lesbian citizens to sponsor their permanent partners for immigration. As Amos posted above, we all need to express our disappointment that LGBT Families were NOT included in Gutierrez’s bill and urge him to accept amendments to ADD LGBT Families back into his bill. Please sign this petition on change.org:

    http://www.change.org/ideas/2008/view_action/please_tell_rep_gutierrez_that_lgbt_families

    If we miss this moment, if we all just stand idly by, feel sorry for ourselves and do nothing but “wait our turn,” we will always be waiting. Speak up. Demand what is ours. Contact your elected officials. Sign the change.org action. Post comments on blogs such as this — people WILL listen if we talk to them.

  33. LoveMoby says

    Why are we surprised? Since this administration has come into power the gays have been the first to be thrown under the bus every time. Why should immigration reform be the exception? There is no doubt that some gays and lesbians WILL benefit from the bill if it passes but the more important question is: Will there ever be a mechanism for gay and lesbian Americans to sponsor their foreign born spouses? Frankly I dont see this happening for a long while. Instead of being leaders the US will lag even further behind.

    Also lets be frank, the Gutierrez bill has NO chance in hell of passing. The Schumer bill due out sometime next year is the bill to watch for but I doubt that bill will include the gays either.

    I thought with the Dems in control of the House and Senate the UAFA bill would pass. If I’m not mistaken, the UAFA bill has LESS support now than when the Dems were out of power!

    I’m also extremely disappointed that the GLBT community has all but ignored the UAFA bill and in some instances even questioned why the UAFA bill should exist at all. For all of you who are NOT in binational relationships, good for you. I would never wish the extreme stress and fear on anyone. BUT for us binationals the UAFA bill means LIFE. Without it we will be in exile…if were lucky. The worst case scenario is being torn from your partner, your home, your friends, your life with no recourse.

    My fellow GLBT brothers and sisters, put yourself in our shoes and have some compassion. Please support the UAFA bill. If youre not educated on the issue, get educated! Talk to your friends and your family and most important please write your member of congress and your senator. Our lives depend on it.

  34. LoveMoby says

    Xavier said: FWIW, I’m Puerto Rican and really could care less about a few white gay men who want to get citizenship for their Brazilian and Argentine boy toys. And my BF is a gorgeous black American man. These comments are the reason why many if not most of us would never date you Beckys.
    ——————————————–

    Just FYI. I’m not white but seriously what difference does it make what color you are? My partner and I have been together almost 10 years. Weve been through thick and thin. Some days it was very thin. I resent your attitude greatly. You have no idea how difficult it is being in a binational relationship. Show some compassion and stop being an ignorant bitter jackass!

  35. Chitown Kev says

    @Xavier Deron

    LMAO…although you can also take a walk through the Humboldt Park area (which would be Guiterrez’s territory) and do that type of “outreach”

    @InExile

    Theoretically, I am not opposed to killing any and all legislation that does not include appropriate LGBT components, actually. As we are a part of every demographic, any bills that do not include those components are incomplete.

    Pactically speaking, however, there’s all those Latino votes which may enable the Democrats to have majorities for a long, long time (hell, I could possibly see a Democratic presidential candidate taking Texas in 2016).

    A gay/Latino political coalition would be very very powerful, as would a gay/black coalition for that matter.

    Politically speaking, the gay community would get a lot of blowback from killing the bill. And the Democrats wouldn’t allow that to happen anyway, IMHO.

  36. Jason says

    Any immigration reform that includes Amnesty will die a quicker death than it did in 2006. Our current job market will procduce bi-partisan outrage at anything that enables illegal aliens to remain here in the country legally. These people are criminals and need to go back to the country they came from. As criminals they should never have the option of becoming an American citizen.

    Gay inclusion or not; I can’t imagine supporting this bill.

  37. IntlHotMale says

    It’s simple really, all non-Americans who are here illegally (ie, Undocumented Immigrants) need to be repatriated to their country of origin and forbidden from returning to the US or any US territory. This will take care of reuniting any families that have been separated, will open up the American economy to Americans, and once we can care for ourselves – not simply the GOP and their businessmen – we can then begin to care for others.

  38. says

    Ahh, yes, “INTLHOTMALE” so simple. And who will handle the apprehension of these thousands and thousands? The cases? And what of divided families? And Euro nannies? And who will pick your lettuce? Is that simple?

    Simplistic is more like it.

  39. chris barnett says

    What is frustrating to me as a gay man in a long-term, binational relationship is the viewing of this issue through the lens of immigration, when in fact, as an American, I experience it as inequality. Again.

    The failure of our political leaders lies in their inability to champion our families as real and genuine. Even our best allies in Congress parse out their policy positions so that they may on one hand claim sympathy for the Queer community on issues like this, without having to draw themselves such a clear line on issue that they must take a real stand. Until democratic ideals are extended to include Queer people as part of the breadth of humanity, the integrity of this land and the ideals of America, such as liberty and justice for all, will be compromised. Yes, the Congressman has a valid point about the coalitions that need to be created between Queer and Immigrant communities, but our leaders, from the top down, cut them selves WAY too much slack at the expense of people like me, and mine–and acknowledge far too seldom that we should be entitlted to our families.

  40. Bayley says

    If they’re not including LGBT members well then I hope the bill fails and fails BAD.

    I’m actually not even in favor of illegal immigration. I know as a gay person I HAVE to be, and I’m TOLD to be, and I’m told to stand for people who don’t stand for me…but NO…I’ve done extensive research on illegal immigration and it’s contributed to the economic hurricane we live in today, not to mention in my part of the country, over 35% of crimes are commited by illegal immigrants. I have no sympathy for those who don’t want to knock on the front door- especially when they’ve proven to be a community who only want to bring their closed minded views on gay issues from the old country and not conform.

    Oh, and before mindless gays who fight for causes because they are told to shout “RACIST” at me…if you saw me, you would know I’m not racist. Name the nationality/race and I have ever lived there or have it in me, and hence my opinion comes from know how and first hand experience. Not politicallycorrect.com

  41. Bayley says

    Xavier Deron YOU are the racist….YOU are the one who mentioned “typical bitter *white* gays”…YOU are the reason we can’t win against the latino community….YOU are the problem and prepetuate the stereotype of “jaded, rich, white gays”….WE would be so much better off as a community without brain dead, ignorant, HOMOPHOBIC pieces of dirt like you a part of it.

  42. Dominique Leslie says

    ‘There has never been a serious, in-depth discussion between the gay and lesbian community and the immigrant community. It’s never existed,’ Gutierrez said. ‘It’s a new conversation, but not one that I’m fearful of. I welcome it. But you can’t expect after nearly two decades of struggle for a new component’ to be quickly embraced.” – Guitierrez….not true!!! As a member of the San Francisco Human Rights Commission Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender Advisory Committee, we have had these discussions in our various communities, including a town hall forum, a report, letters of support regarding legislation and recommendations to city, state, and national leaders on the inclusion of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender people in immigration reform. The only truth is of this statement is that Gutierrez is ignorant of all the work that has been done and being done for inclusion of LGBT people in immigration reform. Please check out our web page for a history of our work, both past and on-going. You too, Guiterrez!

  43. AMERICAN PATRIOT says

    Immigration reform, what immigration reform.
    If they are not deporting people for breaking the law and entering this country illeagally there is no reform.

    Enforce the Immigration laws we have.
    We do not reward Law Breakers with welfare and free medical treatment.

    The U.S. is spending $300 Billion a year on Illeagall Alien Welfare.

    I want that money for increased benefits for our veterans and pay raises for our poeple in the Military, PERIOD

    I am so sick of this immigration c— it is all lies and desception so big Companies can keep their slaves and slave wages.

    You people better wake up and start defending your Country before you lose it forever.

    GEES

  44. AMERICAN PATRIOT says

    That’s right losers, your losing your country because you will not protest or get off your a—-.

    Your economy has already collpased. Banks have already been given your countries wealth.

    The Federal reserve is stealing your countries wealth and WIPING OUT your middle class.

    While you set and complain, congress is passing laws on you that in these laws they state they do not apply to members of Congress.

    For the love of God what are you all waiting for the worse DEPRESSION in History.

    Because it is coming. Wait until you cant buy food to buy and if you can you cant afford 100 dollars for a gallon ofmilk.

    Most of you will not survive the new economy.

    As reported today on national news.

    The HORRIBLE JOB MARKET is set to last a DECADE. Most of you will fall victom to it and lose everything.

    I will be prepared and am now.

    YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WILL NOT BE AND WILL SUFFER HORRIBLY

  45. American Abroad says

    How long will we have to wait. I am sick of this delay after delay on our issues. UAFA damn well better be part of any immigration reform. My family is still in exile and we had hoped for this in the first 1-2 years of this new Administration. It is time for the US to join the rest of the civilized world.

  46. BobN says

    “There has never been a serious, in-depth discussion between the gay and lesbian community and the immigrant community.”

    Stupid us. We thought we were supposed to discuss American laws with our elected representatives, not with illegal aliens or their champions who, by the way, should be working with us since they need our support.

  47. don says

    “But you can’t expect after nearly two decades of struggle for a new component to be quickly embraced.” OK, so now we have not struggled. What would you prefer we call it, Rep. Gutierrez? New components are quickly embraced all the time when you are worried about losing our votes. If New York has taught us anything, it’s that they are taking us for granted and the only way to change that is to get them out and get people who understand that our support comes with expectations.

  48. Pinky Tuscadero says

    Xavier Deron, Thanks for putting it like it is and STAND YOUR GROUND!!

    @ Bayley since you’re fuming at Xavier about what he said. Are you implying that some white gays are just open and loving to minority gays???? You must don’t read mnay posts on here do you?

  49. ralph says

    You are all a bunch of idiots, WTF does homo rights have to do with immigration? If you are a homo and have a homo partner in another country than MOVE there and stop bitching about not being able to ass fuck some dude. FUCKING fags I swear.

  50. mike says

    Ralph is right, all you queers should quit your damn bitching its not natural for people to be gay. Anyway on to the point this bill is about immigration not sodomy and men marrying each other.

  51. says

    it’s just more of the same … more of the same …and the beat goes on. Obama lied to us just like all the rest of them. I am no longer a democrat and will never again vote in any national election for any politician. I will only consider local people running in MA where I live. I have had enough. Where is our outrage ? Where are our constitutional rights ? Where are our straight allies ? Where is there justice and liberty for all ? ( no where ) it’s just another con job on the public.

  52. Mike says

    Mark your an idiot, this is about immigration reform not your personal fucking opinion about El Presidente, its fags and people like you that ruin this WONDERFUL country….Jesus hate idiots and fags Mark, which catagory do you fit in?

  53. Mamie says

    My name is Mamie and I am a 20 year old Black Lesbian from Calgary, Alberta in Canada and I just got fired from my job because I was caught trying to have a lesbian relationship with a fellow lady employee.

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