Orlando TSA Managers Mock ‘Pickle-Smoking’ Gays

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The TSA is conducting an internal investigation at an Orlando Field Office regarding a 'Jeopardy'-style board posted by employees that mocked various minorities including gays and lesbians, CNN reports:

"The board, resembling the TV game show 'Jeopardy,' includes categories
such as 'pickle smokers,' 'our gang' and 'creatures,' which sources said
were names used by managers for gay men, African-Americans and
lesbians."

Lovely. Just think what fun they'll make of your naked body-scan photos.

Comments

  1. Drew says

    I’ve had this discussion with plenty of people and everyone agrees: comedy will be dead the day stereotypes are forbidden.

    I see nothing wrong if people are at their job and do something like this so long as nobody ELSE finds out about it. Is what they did right?- no, not really. Can I understand it?- yes, because it’s in peoples’ nature to make fun of things even when they don’t mean any harm.

    Some people have no sense of humor aside from their own, so they may not accept my explanation of why this stuff happens.

  2. walter says

    Now doesn’t make you feel safer getting on a plane it also explains why there are so many lapses of security at the airports. your tax dollars at work

  3. David says

    @Drew – I don’t pay taxes to have some civil servant throw their weight around, make fun of my life style and ridcule those who are gay, african american, or anything else in the office. If I want that I will go watch Kathy Griffin.

    This is why we are doomed. These people are uneducated and deserve repremands and suspension and if they were my employees, they would be fired. This is why our security is a joke and we will no doubt have harrassment when full body scanners are installed.

    At minimum, security screeners should have degress in psycology. Israeli Airlines would never permit this, and this is why they have never had a loss of life from terroist acts. Their screeners are professional, have 4 year college degrees, and act as so.

    You are there to work, if you want to joke around, then do it on your own time, with your own means and off my dime.

  4. NoSleep4Sam says

    I happen to enjoy smoking a nice pickle at the end of the work day. It helps me relax. I am happy that my demographic is considered when drilling TSA employees on their duties, except I’m not sure how many pickle smokers have been terrorists.

  5. Bryan says

    This is exactly the sort of thing my partner (a professional chef) and I do over drinks with his staff. We call the game “Racism” despite the fact that its targets never seem to be defined by race, per se. Lesbians, elderly people, drunks, and middle-aged women who’re obsessed with their weight get a particularly sound thrashing, as does anyone requiring in depth knowledge of every ingredient on the menu and those who require guilt-free meat (“But are they _free range_ prawns?”).

    Far from resulting in inferior service or abuse, blowing off steam and a common code language for covert ridicule is a technique for gracious handling patrons staff would rather poison. People are _obnoxious_, and anyone in a service industry is entitled to all the behind the scenes snark they need.

    “Lovely. Just think what fun they’ll make of your naked body-scan photos.”

    Honey, I don’t care what strangers say about me, naked or otherwise. It’s called being an adult. You self righteous, self designated career victims might want to try it sometime. Of course you’ll first have to acquire a spine and an identity that isn’t dependent on public approval.

    Me, I’m printing up a “Pickle Smoker” t-shirt to wear when I fly to New York next week.

  6. Timzilla says

    “I’ll take ‘Diversity Training’ for $600, Alex.”

    “Now offering more daily departures from tolerance and respect for others with direct connections to bigotry and harassment.”

    “What is the TSA”

  7. JT says

    I think it’s childishly nasty. But, still, notice how gays don’t like it when the tables are turned on them?

  8. Timzilla says

    “I’ll take ‘Diversity Training’ for $600, Alex”

    “Now offering more departures from tolerance and respect for others with direct-connections to bigotry and harassment than any other agency.”

    “What is the TSA.”

  9. TANK says

    And yes, comedy will suffer a blow when stereotypes have expired. But that’s not going to happen anytime soon. And we all saw how funny michael richards was, huh? Maybe some stereotypes that aren’t meant to be anything but cruel to an entire group of people aren’t that funny…unless you disagree, and think it’s funny when jokes are made about lynchings… Anything can be funny, but not in that context. And if you think for one second that the people who wrote this don’t have anything but seething contempt for your very existence, you’re an idiot. That’s another thing that distinguishes comedy from racism or homophobia.

  10. Dickster says

    @DAVID: “I don’t pay taxes to have some civil servant throw their weight around, make fun of my life style and ridcule those who are gay, african american, or anything else in the office. If I want that I will go watch Kathy Griffin.

    This is why we are doomed.”

    No, David. We’re doomed when a gay man refers to his own sexual orientation as a “lifestyle”. Doomed, doomed, doomed.

  11. GrabbinNewscum says

    So “our gang” = African-Americans – so I presume these TSA employees mocking gays as “pickle smokers” were African-American.

    And you STILL need more evidence that the majority of black Americans are not allies of gays and lesbians?

    WHY are not picketing their chuches the way some picketed the Mormon church?

    Naggers, all of them.

  12. Drew says

    “@Drew – I don’t pay taxes to have some civil servant throw their weight around, make fun of my life style”

    Let’s not carried away, because the venerable and overused cliche of “My tax dollars at work!” doesn’t work here. Public servants are elected, so I equate TSA personnel to say, club bouncers with a more thorough background check. They can do/say/post whatever they want, but keep it out of plain sight.

  13. David says

    Bryan,

    Post the name of your partner’s dive so those of us who might be/know “Lesbians, elderly people, drunks, and middle-aged women who’re obsessed with their weight” or “self righteous, self designated career victims” can spend our money somewhere else.

    No reason why we should spend it in some seedy joint where such infantile behavior as you enjoy is considered “being an adult”.

    With so little respect for other people the norm at your partner’s dive, the health code violations must be horrific.

    I can see the place settings now – fork, knife, spoon, and stomach pump.

  14. Wheezy says

    They’re job is to screen passengers boarding planes for weapons or bombs or drugs. They are not being paid to search and harass blacks, LGBT, the handicapped for some dumb-ass, immature game. Can their asses. At least they’re unprofessional. At worst they’re bigots.

  15. Alan Bounville says

    This is the forth story coming out of Orlando in just a few months.

    1. Graffiti at the LGBT Center and Ritzy Rags
    2. The trans woman being denied employment at McDonalds
    3. All of the cars tires getting slashed at Revolution on Latin night
    4. Now this TSA discrimination

    Is anyone ready for direct action in Orlando? If so, I have a great project to really crack open (through civil disobedience) a major employer that is discriminating in that city.

    Let me know – alanbounville@gmail.com

  16. David says

    @Drew – Civil Servents….reread my statement.

    Life style, yah I’m gay. I was born that way, and gay is my life style, just as it is with straights, bisexuals and any other life style. I didn’t say I chose it, I said it is my style, what I am, who I am.

  17. says

    BTW: this all took place in an Air Marshal office, not the screener office.

    I’m not terribly surprised that the air marshals engage in this kind of racist, macho, homophobic crap, but disappointed, nevertheless. In HR-speak, it’s creating a hostile work environment for anyone but their little narrow-minded selves.

    I’ve worked in service, at restaurants, etc. Whatever comments I made about obnoxious customers had nothing to do with their race, sex, sexual orientation, etc. It had to do with their behavior towards me.

  18. Talkin says

    Grabbin – Just because these particular “culprits” are African-American still doesn’t mean ALL AAs are homophobic. But I agree they seem to have a higher percentage of homophobes.

  19. kevin says

    it’s just wrong to be ridiculed by anybody, let alone people who are paid with my (our) money. i don’t care if they do it privately or publicly, it is wrong. so they do it as a team-buildint exercise? it is wrong to build anything on racist and sexist bullshit. if federal employees are doing any damn thing to classify people as pickle smokers or creatures or our gang, then they are operating way outside professional guidelines. i have grave misgivings about the whole Homeland Security department, and i think this is just another instance of a horribly-run operation with no standards. Do the people they employ have even a bachelor’s degree or equivelant? Probably not. and national standards are not enforced. I think Napolitano needs a serious talking too, and I suspect she needs to lose her job. I’d tell her so, if there were a way to contact her.

  20. Jeffrey says

    I always love reading the comments here at towleroad, since I can get a side of racism with my moral superiority.

    I think “Our Gang” is most likely a buckwheat reference, and not an indication of the race that these employees happened to be.

  21. says

    “Grabbin – Just because these particular “culprits” are African-American still doesn’t mean ALL AAs are homophobic. But I agree they seem to have a higher percentage of homophobes.

    Posted by: Talkin | Jan 31, 2010 12:20:12 AM”

    Um, let’s do some math. There are far more white people than Black people. Therefore the percentage of Black people who are homophobic probably doesn’ty come anywhere near the percentage of white folks who are the same.

    Both of you just used your personal racist thought patterns to decide these people are Black. “Our gang” didn’t even occur to me to indicate that they were Black. AND I have NEVER heard a Black person call a Gay a “pickle smoker”. I have heard teenage white boys say it.

    Blacks call Gays “punks, faggots, sissies” and ,sometimes, “tricks”. Lesbians are “dykes” and “bulldaggers”.

    Before you go laying your bigotry out there, at least learn what Black homophobes say when you’re not around. Do your research and make yourself a more informed racist.

    Jeesh!

  22. TANK says

    “Um, let’s do some math. There are far more white people than Black people. Therefore the percentage of Black people who are homophobic probably doesn’ty come anywhere near the percentage of white folks who are the same.”

    We’re talking percentages, not the numbers that they’re based. Do you understand the difference? Of course racism is not a constructive way of going about solving the problem. But let’s not deny reality for the sake of being PC. Per capita, african americans in this country are more homophobic than whites.

  23. says

    @TANK: LMFAO!!

    Please site the “study” that you found these amazing statistics. “Per Capita”! You used “Per Capita” to justify your racism! Woohoo!

    “And yes folks, that was TANK! He’ll be here at Adolf’s Hoffbrauhaus for another two weeks! And now, Michael Richards!..”

    You are truly hilarious! Maybe you can get booked as Strom Thurmond’s opening act…IN HELL!

    Ha.
    HA.

    The laughs never stop! You’re killin’ me kid!

  24. GrabbinNewscum says

    >>Um, let’s do some math. There are far more white people than Black people. Therefore the percentage of Black people who are homophobic probably doesn’ty come anywhere near the percentage of white folks who are the same.

    Um, let’s do the math indeed. Maybe you need to learn some, Derek. Public opinion polls consistently show that the PERCENTAGE of African-Americans who disappove of homosexuality or same-sex marriage is almost always significantly higher than the PERCENTAGE of white Americans who disappove. Pretty much around two-thirds (66%) vs. about one-half (50%) of whites, give or take a few % points here or there.

    If we were talking absolute numbers, yes, no duh, there are more whites who are homophobic than blacks because – big news! – there are numerically more whites than blacks in the U.S.

    But if I were to tell you that two out of three times one type of dog was likely to bite your hand off if you pet it, you’d probably steer clear of that dog (unless you thought luck was on your side).

    Are ALL blacks homophobic? Of course not. But there’s a two out of three chance that any random black person you run into IS a homophobic bigot.

    Those are the facts. Don’t get angry with me because you don’t like them.

  25. Chitown Kev says

    Oh, gosh, I just HATE IT when I’m late to a race riot.

    Now I live in a place that’s segregated enough but has neighborhoods that are wildly integrated enough where I could make a comparison.

    I dare any of you queens to walk holding hands in the Bridgeport or maybe even Jefferson Park sections (Jefferson Park has a concentration of Eastern Europeans) of Chicago. Tell me how that works for you.

    And those stats of yours absolutely do not work in my home state of Michigan…and quite a few parts of the Midwest.

    Just curious here, you (in this particular case) cite all this, Grabbinewscum to say…what exactly? Or to justify what?

  26. Chitown Kev says

    Oh, I forgot…I don’t think that I saw the Joint Chiefs of Staff wearing blackface in Obama said that he will work to repeal DADT, either.

    Black folks don’t have the power, the money, or the will, really, to stop gay equality, no matter how homophobic that polls say they are…

    And presented here with evidence that most racists also tend to be highly homophobic, you white queens just op to go into denial.

    Racism, sexism, and homophobia are very interconnected and it has been that way for hundreds of years.

    Lord knows I don’t agree with David Kaufman about much but I do agree with him that our community just ain’t as…intelligent and forward thinking as it used to be or like we pretend to be.

  27. TANK says

    That’s constructive, derek. Each time someone points out that there are black homophobes that exist in higher percentages, you scream racist. Very good. Grabbin might be a racist–actually, might be can be likely. But hey, if you think I’m a racist, that’s okay, too. Because I don’t value your opinion, and you and your KIND are the first to call me a racist when I criticize islamofascism w/ regard to women’s rights and gay rights in, say, Iran, or the persecution of gays in uganda. You perpetuate the infatilization of people of color meme, and that is toxically racist. You lose credibility–not that you started out with any.

    And sorry, but black homophobes do have influence on black votes. Black democrats, for example, are a compelling voting block, and are more homophobic than white republicans and white democrats. This was proven in a gallup poll. Of course black people inherently homophobic, as there are plenty of black allies and black lgbt’ers.

  28. GrabbinNewscum says

    Chitown Kev: Work on your fucking reading comprehension. No fucking shit there are predominantly white neighborhoods where gay people are unsafe.

    The point of pointing out that two-thirds of black Americans are homophobic is to point out the liberal cognitive dissonance among (mostly white) gays who labor under the notion that they have to make political alliance with a political community that generally is against us more than they are for us.

    Most white evangelical Protestants are also opposed to gay marriage – yet you don’t see our community organizations impressing on us the importance of “reaching out” to that political community in order to try to “educate” them or be their “ally.” So it is that it is by and large a waste of time and resources to try building political bridges with the African-American community that generally votes against same-sex marriage and generally finds homosexuality abhorrent and immoral.

    I know there are probably one or two isolated studies out there showing that African-Americans are no more or less homophobic than whites but for the most part, there is a consistent pattern in which two-thirds of African-Americans are anti-gay.

    Don’t be mad at me because you don’t like the facts.

  29. TANK says

    ‘Most white evangelical Protestants are also opposed to gay marriage – yet you don’t see our community organizations impressing on us the importance of “reaching out” to that political community in order to try to “educate” them or be their “ally.”‘

    Actually, there are. I feel sorry for those people. Usually, they’re religious and yearn for acceptance from the very people who vote away their rights…almost like acceptance from make believe skydaddy figure. I think they genuinely believe that they’re flawed, and think that constructive conversation is possible with radical evangelical homo haters (who are mostly white…trash). It’s dismaying.

  30. Chitown Kev says

    @Grabbinnewscum

    Why, I do think you’re gettin’ a little uppity with me, boy.

    First of all, when it comes to these threads I prefer to stick to the topic. So I fail to see the significance of even bringing up this line of questioning and racism in this thread, for one. Other than to do some racist trafficing. Again, you are simply one of those white queens that your own “race” doen’t like you very much either and actually has the power to deny the equality that you feel entitled too.

    Two, the political community is not your problem; black politicians, if anything, are more likely to be pro gay than not.

  31. says

    OMG! I was actually referred to as “your kind”!

    I love the smell of racism in the morning…

    The fact that the two of you see fit to collect odd “facts” to prove that my “kind” are the problem says a whole lot about you.

    I have a feeling that you both are either straight trolls OR , and this is a stretch, but, are you both Black? Tragic Mulattos? What? My “kind” wants to know.

    There’s plenty of Gay racists (Black & White) ,but, you guys are so over the top that I’m starting to smell troll race baiting. Pics gents? I’m in if you are.

  32. GrabbinNewscum says

    >>black politicians, if anything, are more likely to be pro gay than not.

    Yes, black POLITICIANS are. The general black community, however, is not.

    There is a large disconnect between where the Black political leadership is on gay issues and where the average Black voter is.

    And if you think that the Black community is so politically powerless relative to white people such that their opinion on gay political issues is negligible then why do our large political organizations encourage us to spend so much of our time, money, and resources on “outreach” to this politically powerless group?

    Either their political views on homosexuality matter, or they don’t.

    As for its relevance to the TSA managers, it’s relevant because it’s another example of the way in which black American who are not in the political leadership evince their homophobia.

    Again: don’t be mad at me because you don’t like the facts.

  33. Chitown Kev says

    Anyway, continuing on with Derek Washington’s “Urban Homophobic Linguistic Anthropolgy” 101 course…

    I have never heard any black person use “pickle smoker” myself. I have occasionally heard black male teenagers use “pole smoker” but only on the North Side of Chicago.

    I have also heard black teenage males use “transformers” and “homobots”. Both when the “Transformers” cartoon came out in the 80’s and when the recent “Transformers” movies came out.

    Now, when I hear black males use “trick” that’s usually a dog whistle that they like to do some trickin’ with men themselves…

    ******************************************

    @Tank, of course the problem is blacks (oe anyone else) wouldn’t be voting at all if white folks (that are usually racist as well) weren’t putting this on ballots. I do not know of any black politician or even pastor that has ever successfully put a referendum for gay marriage on a ballot (and Miss Bishop Dick Sucking Lips in Maryland failed, so you can’t use him).

  34. GrabbinNewscum says

    >>of course the problem is blacks (oe anyone else) wouldn’t be voting at all if white folks (that are usually racist as well) weren’t putting this on ballots

    Of course, Derek – continue the old “blame it all on whitey” story. And here I thought black people shirking responsibility for their own behavior was just a racist stereotype. Who knew it was true??

    And anyway, who or what pray tell, is forcing black people to vote to deny gay people civil rights once when they get in the voting booth?

    One has to believe that either most black people are (a) educated about the issue they are voting on and consciously choose to vote against gay rights or (b) are so gullible that they can be easily brainwashed by white people into voting against gay rights or (c) they are ignorant of what they are voting on and a majority are just randomly voting for the anti-gay position.

    Which one of those

  35. Chitown Kev says

    “And if you think that the Black community is so politically powerless relative to white people such that their opinion on gay political issues is negligible then why do our large political organizations encourage us to spend so much of our time, money, and resources on “outreach” to this politically powerless group?”

    Evidence, please?

    Now, I thought that gay political organization reached out to the black churchified community during the AIDS crisis, were rebuffed by the black pastor mafia, and never really attempted outreach to black communitites again, full scale. I thought (according to an NGLTF report) that when the funds were low in the early stages of the Proposition 8 campaign, that that the No On 8 people decided to dump early outreach to communities of color…

    and still, what is the significance to this story? I’m to take your word that these were black folks working for the TSA?

    You know, the black community does not take kindly to “Buckwheat” references (for the record, I DID know what that was referring to when I first saw it).

  36. Chitown Kev says

    @Grabby

    Keep it straight, that was me that wrote that and not Derek.

    And you have no defense against that statement either. That ain’t denial, that’s REFUSAL…Keep off of the ballot, and you would have no problems.

    And Arizona, Nebraska, Kansas, Idaho, Oklahoma, Oregon wouldn’t have marriage bans on the books either. And Maine (and I worked in Maine) would have approved of the law legalizing same-sex marriage…

    That’s an awful lot of white people.

    And Tank…go to hell.

  37. GrabbinNewscum says

    >>what is the significance to this story? I’m to take your word that these were black folks working for the TSA?

    From the story, you damn fool:

    “The board, resembling the TV game show ‘Jeopardy,’ includes categories such as ‘pickle smokers,’ ‘our gang’ and ‘creatures,’ which sources said were names used by managers for gay men, African-Americans and lesbians.”

    Our gang = African-Americans

    Yeah, I’m sure they are so culturally literate as to be making reference to a television nearly three-quarters of a century old.

  38. TANK says

    What is your kind mean, derek? Not as you want it to mean to victimize yourself, but as I meant it? Don’t strain yourself as I wouldn’t want to stand between you and your persecution complex, nor would I want to dissuade you from calling anyone who disagrees with you a racist. But here’s a hint: it has nothing to do with skin color.

    Kev, you first. I’m not talking about the social power of black people (though demonstrably, they have more acknowledgement of personhood in our government’s laws than lgbt’ers as a whole do…as they can both serve in the military and are protected from workplace antidiscrimination based on skin color). Of course that doesn’t cover black lgbt’ers who are discriminated against by whites as well as blacks. Nor am I denying that racism exists, for clearly it does. What I’m saying is that black people represent a significant voting bloc, and they do vote. The trend is overwhelmingly democrat, and overwhelmingly homophobic, too. I’d think that as a black gay man you’d want to be armed with the truth so you can assess the problem. Now I’m not of the mindset that we’ll let the lgbt’ers of color clean up their own “communities” and do the educating, for the homophobia of those communities affects me either directly or indirectly, and when that happens, all bets are off. When PC agendas conflict with the truth, I’ll be siding with the truth over the delusional hysteria of thought police.

  39. Chitown Kev says

    @Grabby…

    Uh, yes, I still watch the Little Rascals from time to time.

    Even if it were black Americans, black folks DO NOT take kindly to Buckwheat references in a context like this…they just don’t.

    @Tank

    I am quite armed wqith the “truth” (and you know that about black homophobia but do you or Grabbinnewscum think that hurling racial slurs at them solves the problem?

    (Mind, I’ve hurled racial slurs on rare occasions but…I can do that.)

    You’re saying that you know the black community better than I do and that you know what will work in any potential outreach better than I do.

    I’ve actually done outreach of this tyoe. I know much of what works and what doesn’t work. Do you? If so, then do it.

    In the meantime maybe you really do need to work on the racism in your gay community and the homophobia in your own white community, the cat can be skinned that way too.

    And, no, black people don’t vote all that much, other than in the 2008 election, really. Now whether black voters will become more engaged in voting…time will tell that, but there’s a lot of black voter apathy out there, …and even that came out a little bit in the election of Scott Brown in Massachusetts, where ~1/5 blacks voted for Scott Brown.

    And tell me, seriously, Tank, how does the homophobia in black communities affect you? (I’m not being snide about this, I really would like to see a serious well thought out answer from a white gay person about this)…

    And…uh, don’t try that shit agin…and you know what I’m talking about.

  40. Wheezy says

    A reference to buckwheat is in no way racist (insert sarcasm mark here)

    I believe subsequent surveys after Prop H8 showed that minorities’ votes were similar to that as white voters. The exit polls that showed an unusually high number of AA voters going for Prop H8 was inaccurate, misleading, and just plain dishonest.

    p.s. Queerty bigot trolls, please take your racism elsewhere.

  41. John says

    @Grabbin

    White men – gay, straight, and bisexual alike – treat black males atrociously. I am sure many black gays can tell you of incidents of utter humiliation and horror they have experienced in so-called ‘queer safe’ neighborhoods dominated by their white counterparts.

    Being asked to produce two forms of government issued ID by grim bouncers while the blonde Abercrombie clones are waved right in. Having whites try their offensive ‘Jungle Fever’ shtick on you without bothering to even introduce themselves. And having drunk lunatics blame you – personally – for the passage of that damned Proposition 8 because “you people are homophobic.” These are just some of the fun experiences associated with being black in the LGBT community.

    The question you should ask yourself, Grabby, is why would anyone want to form an alliance with you if you are going to throw racial slurs at them at every turn.

    That’s not a partnership between equals.

    That’s exploitation.

    It isn’t that blacks don’t recognize there’s homophobia in African communities. It is that your attitude makes it impossible to do anything constructive about it. Black homophobes will instantly produce the race card to shut critics up. And since they are right about you, as you are about them, nobody has the moral high ground and it is basically a wash.

  42. Chitown Kev says

    @John

    Actually, I don’t have any horror stories about the types of racism in the gay community that you refer to, though I have heard stories and I have seen that younger black gay males seem to have a rough time of it nowadays.

    (Indeed, I’ve walked into some Boystown bars without showing identification…and I don’t go to bars very often.

    Other than that…can’t say that I disagree with you.

    LOL at Tank arming me with the truth. Makes me want to go all Aunt Esther on him.

  43. says

    @John: True story: I was with my Blonde 5’6″ roomie in Weho. He looked 19 on a good day. He waltzed right into Rage without an ID check. I didn’t mind being carded. Then I was asked for a second ID. Ok. THEN I was told to produce a THIRD one! I was so pissed I went back to our apt and came back with my passport. When I complained the next day to the owner, I was told that they had the right to ask for as many pieces of ID as they wanted. When I called WEHO city hall, I was told that they had never heard of such a thing and at least I had my passport.

    I wonder where Grabbincum and Tank were back then? Maybe working at WEHO city hall or Rage?

  44. TANK says

    I don’t blame the black community of CA for the passage of prop h8. But they damn well contributed to its passage, and that is non-negotiable. I’m not interested in the skewed numbers of a PC thug who wants to convey that black people in CA voted no more for prop 8’s passage than any other racial demographic. That’s simply not true.

    ALl homophobia is my business as it is everyone’s business. I’m not saying that I Have better insight into how the black community operates to deal with it, but I will deal with it if it impacts me–and it does. It impacts me in voting and in hate crimes. It stands to reason that we can’t count on the black community as a whole (not individuals who are allies) to support our rights at the ballots if they’re even more homophobic than republicans. It stands to reason that if they’re that homophobic, members are more likely to commit hate crimes. That impacts everyone who is targeted by that kind of terrorism. Unfortunately, everything isn’t equal, and homophobia isn’t one size fits all.

    As to the racism in the gay community–of course it exists. I’ve seen it myself. But ask yourself, when was the last time a group of gay men murdered a black man? ….because I can tell you the opposite.

  45. Chitown Kev says

    @Tank…

    Thank you for your reply…

    Now, who is more likely to be targeted for anti gay hate crimes in the black community. Granted, there is a concern about race relations.

    But black gays bear the overwhelming brunt of those violent hate crimes as well. And that is non-negotiable…as the overwhelming majority of crimes committed (for whatever reason) are intraracial.

    and how does it impact your voting? (again, I’m not being snide

  46. TANK says

    I didn’t say it impacted my “voting”–I said it impacted voting trends (support for antigay referendums). IF we can’t count on the black community as a whole to stand up for equal rights (quite the opposite, in fact), then that is a problem for me, you, them, and everyone else. And if everything were equal, why would they be more homophobic? Clearly, there are distinct factors in play.

    And it doesn’t matter if black gays are the overwhelming targets for a host of reasons (one of which being proximity)–they’re not targeting skin color.

  47. Mark says

    Please. It’s just a little game they were playing. Don’t assume the worst. Who knows – maybe the gay guys in the office enjoyed the teasing. :)

  48. John says

    @Tank

    If you wanted to have an election without the participation of blacks and other minorities, you could simply schedule your ballot initiative for an off-year election. Minority voters rarely show up for those. You can have the white electorate decide the fate of same-sex marriage all by themselves and see how it goes. I will gladly sit that election out and ask others to do so.

    Of course, none of the Prop. 8 repeal forces are advocating that strategy because they already have an idea of what the outcome would be. And once that happens, gay activists can no longer blame blacks for defeat and might have to actually admit that they are no good at campaigning.

  49. TANK says

    So, John…what are you really saying? That marriage equality is an exclusively white gay issue? That it, buckaroo?

    And mark, FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU and your apologist attitude. Go make excuses for your dickhole clueless old uncle (e.g., he didn’t mean nothin’ by it) somewhere else.

  50. Ta'Tiana says

    yOU MOTHER FUCKING DICK SUCKING WART FACES WHAT THE FUCK ARE TALKING ABOUT SOME ASS HOLE