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Gay-Friendly Carlton Pearson On CNN: Eddie Long A 'Prince,' Church Must Evolve To Include LGBT Congregants

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CNN's Kyra Phillips sat down with LGBT-inclusive Reverend Carlton Pearson to discuss the ongoing Eddie Long scandal.


In addition to talking about Long, with whom he's friends and whom Pearson describes as "a prince of a person," the Chicago-based Reverend also addresses the place of gay people within the "black church" at large and offered this righteous, right on insight about why Christian churches need to accept gay people:

Until the Church -- the Church, black or otherwise -- confronts -- not combats -- confronts this issue of human sexuality and homosexuality, which is not going away. Homosexuals and homosexuality is not going away. If every gay person in our church just left or those who have an orientation or preference or an inclination, or a fantasy, if everyone left, we wouldn't have -- we wouldn't have a church.

Watch and learn from Reverend Pearson, AFTER THE JUMP...

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  1. Don't care if he's gay friendly. Zero tolerance for kiddie rapers, and those who defend them.

    Posted by: TANK | Sep 27, 2010 5:01:03 PM


  2. I used to to Higher dimensions church when we was pastor there in the 80's. Man that was a long time ago, when gay people were beaten on the street, Oh wait times have changed, right?

    Posted by: Skooter McGoo | Sep 27, 2010 5:23:12 PM


  3. Carlton Pearson...very well stated. This is the tip of the iceberg. This is the proverbial shit hitting the fan and it's about time.

    Posted by: scb | Sep 27, 2010 5:23:46 PM


  4. "If every gay person in our church just left or those who have an orientation or preference or an inclination, or a fantasy, if everyone left, we wouldn't have -- we wouldn't have a church."

    Would that be such a bad thing?

    Posted by: Phil | Sep 27, 2010 5:28:46 PM


  5. Yeah, Long's a "Prince" of a person. A lot like Machiavelli's Prince.

    Nice people don't stir up hatred of other people for their personal and political benefit.

    Posted by: BobN | Sep 27, 2010 5:39:44 PM


  6. The idea that ANYBODY would be condemned to eternity in a "custom-made torture chamber" is the freaking problem.

    Posted by: BobN | Sep 27, 2010 5:42:07 PM


  7. That was one of the most thoughtful, kind, and honest answer from a member of the ministry as I've ever heard. Good on Bishop Pearson for being such an inclusive model of Christianity.

    Posted by: Angelo | Sep 27, 2010 6:01:12 PM


  8. SCB, did you read the transcript?

    Well stated my *ss.

    It's one thing to understand the circumstances and want to get the guy some help.

    It's quite another to talk about what a prince of a guy he is and say something like: "I wish the young men would have come to some of the apostles around the minister and confronted the bishop and said, let's deal with this. And then, if he didn't, take it out to the courts." I think we have pretty clear evidence that is EXACTLY the wrong thing to do, unless you're looking for a buy-out.

    The problem here is the Christian notion that no matter what we've done, all we need to do to make it ok is ask Jesus to forgive us. Eddie Long may think that the only person he has to apologize to is his God, but that doesn't make sense. Consider the chilling notion that "redemption is invented by the sinner".

    Posted by: MammaBear | Sep 27, 2010 6:03:54 PM


  9. What PHIL said.

    Posted by: shanesoho | Sep 27, 2010 6:25:26 PM


  10. Is this Reverend Pearson aware, that every rational and logical thing he just said, is exactly what 99% of churches are against?

    Is he an undercover atheist?

    Posted by: Ryan | Sep 27, 2010 7:01:00 PM


  11. Religion isn't going away anytime soon. In the meantime, clergy like this are a much better alternative to what we're used to seeing.

    Posted by: Dusty | Sep 27, 2010 7:07:42 PM


  12. Pearson is so WRONG, I'm not even sure where to begin. I appreciate his heart for those who are (according to scripture) "lost." He has a heart for his gay friends whose talents, whose generosity, whose humanity are so impressive, so impactful, so beautiful. I understand what Pearson is saying - there are many, many, MANY people I respect and admire who are not Christ followers per se, or who simply do not believe in Jesus Christ. They are GREAT people, ADMIRABLE people. So what's the problem?

    The Bible does NOT say that GREAT and ADMIRABLE and GENEROUS and LOVING people go to Heaven.

    Let me re-phrase: the standard of righteousness that is required (according to the Christian Bible) surpasses what men might look upon and say - "admirable" "loving" "generous" a "good person." Man looks on the outside, but God judges the heart.

    The question is, "Bishop" Pearson (no, your title does not impress me)... WILL GOD JUDGE THE WORLD IN RIGHTEOUSNESS? Pearson seems to be saying that this notion of an angry God or a God-who-judges is a "fairy tale." If that is true.. (and that is a BIG "if")... what exactly does the Bible mean when it says that God poured out his wrath upon Jesus, that God poured out his judgment upon Jesus, if you will, so that He would not have to judge you or I.

    The wrath that was poured out upon Jesus Christ (as the Bible clearly states that "it pleased God to bruise him" and that "by His stripes we are healed") is a CRYSTAL CLEAR picture of God's judgment upon sin. It is a clear picture of God who will hold the world accountable. It is right and correct to see God as He is, in light of scripture, and not try to make Him "Gentle Jesus, meek and mild."

    The Bible teaches "fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." Fear of the Lord is sorely lacking in our culture today.

    Posted by: Jon | Sep 27, 2010 7:14:18 PM


  13. Being a church musician at two churchs in Manhattan with LGTBI clergy, I hardly think I should be told to "learn" from someone who calls a vicious, closeted, self-hating homophobe like Eddie Long a "prince". You missed it bigtime this time Towleroad - I'd suggest you visit a gay-inclusive church in NYC once in a while to get the real story...

    Posted by: Eric | Sep 27, 2010 7:20:37 PM


  14. Oh, and one other thing... Pearson's priorities are way out-of-whack! He says "If every gay person in our church just left or those who have an orientation or preference or an inclination, or a fantasy, if everyone left, we wouldn't have a church."

    Two quick points: 1) what matters more? how many people are in your pews, or how many people are actually living their lives TRYING to surrender to the LORDSHIP of their Savior Jesus Christ?

    2) there is a difference between being all-inclusive of everyone in the GOOD NEWS of salvation that is AVAILABLE-at-the-foot-of-the-cross, and being inclusive of behaviors and lifestyles and vices that are ultimately harmful to people, and ultimately ripping people off from THE BEST that God has for them, and.. most importantly, behaviors and lifestyles and vices that are explicitly denounced by God in His Word.

    Is Pearson reading out of a different Bible? Rev. 21: 8 "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the lake of fire."

    He calls it a "fairy tale." For his sake, I hope he's right... but I don't believe he is.

    Posted by: Jon | Sep 27, 2010 7:28:10 PM


  15. "Instutional Christianity" has lost the Gospel of Jesus and are proclaiming a vile hatred and exclusive stance which is contrary to what Jesus came to proclaim.

    May we all realize the harm we have done to humanity and ask forgiveness from each other and God.

    Gay or not, God loves us all and why can't we do the same?

    Posted by: Frank | Sep 27, 2010 7:46:55 PM


  16. Jon, sweetie. If your scripture --which you claim to be the perfect revelation of the universe's creator-- cannot even be consistent on exactly which people were witnesses to Jesus after his resurrection (the 4 gospels are not in agreement), then it is an imperfect revelation and therefore that deity does NOT exist. It is a LIE. THE BIGGEST LIE EVER TOLD!!! So who gives a flying porpoise what it has to say about anything, let alone the way it condemns a significant minority of humans who are naturally wired to express themselves sexually? We would all do well to take responsibility for our own lives and cherish the world and its inhabitants. Its a lovely, flawed ride and our time here is so brief.

    Posted by: Joshua Mills | Sep 27, 2010 7:53:01 PM


  17. Robert Downey Sr. is a Prince.

    Fast Eddie Long is a turd.

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Sep 27, 2010 8:01:31 PM


  18. Jon, first off, the Bible doesn't "say" anything. These are words, ideas, images, concepts and stories (yes, stories) written by men at a certain time in history, a certain place in history, for a certain audience. Whatever you, me or someone else gleans from the Bible will always be in debate because we also read it with our own eyes, adhering to the meanings we take away. You can pull quotes to prove whatever you want. Everyone does it. There are no greater arguments today than those that go on over what different passages of the Bible mean, if they mean anything at all. Get ten people in a room and none of them will agree on a majority of the passages. My point is, trying to have a non-debate (you're debating against someone who can't debate back) in a blog is pretty useless. And there's a huge group of atheist/non-believers here who love to eat guys like you for lunch.

    I think this Bishop (how'd they all get to be Bishops when they all run their own churches? Sort of like declaring yourself King of your backyard...) is dealing with the concept that gay people exist, have existed, will always exist and that we are accepted by God and not the boogie man that some religious people and religions try desperately to make gay men and women out to be...as if the understanding of sexuality ended in 100 A.D. I certainly do not agree with the image he paints of Eddie Long who is a sexual predator. He maybe be a man of faith and do wonderful things but he's also a man who uses his power, money, influence, and position in a church to lure young men into sexual situations. You can hug him all you want but when someone is using everything at his disposal to seduce young men, sorry, my sympathy is limited. And to suggest that somehow these young men should have gone to the "apostles" of this church...and what? Seen it all swept under the rug or be bought off (which may be what they want we'll see how this all plays out...) and that Eddie Long is allowed to quietly, secretly continue his evolution as a sexual predator. Don't forget this is a church of 25,000 members, that's a multi-million dollar a year business and Eddie Long IS that business. Where there's money and influence at stake, people around Eddie are more willing to look the other way (believe me, they all knew...I've been hearing rumors about Eddie Long for years...and if I'm hearing them, they all knew) to keep that money and influence flowing.

    It's nice to see someone actually speak about the issue openly. I hope this whole event has a silver lining for us. We need one considering the shit-showers we've gotten recently from our elected officials who are supposidly on our side. But this parade of idiots isn't over for a while and our lives will be bantied around in the middle of it instead of dealing with Eddie Long's sexual predator problem.

    Posted by: Bart | Sep 27, 2010 8:29:55 PM


  19. So nice to see that Morris Day was able to find work after The Time broke up.

    Posted by: Hoss | Sep 27, 2010 8:34:22 PM


  20. LMFAO @ HOSS!

    Posted by: Hollywood, CA | Sep 27, 2010 8:51:03 PM


  21. Are you kidding me this whole pastor long shit is crazy and I'm sure 100 percent true who in a mainly black church doesn't have like half the guys in the choir who are the gay or the gay piano player or the choir director really let's just face facts black glbt persons need to be represented in church and not looked at like oh that's just how he is.........please

    Posted by: vc | Sep 27, 2010 10:13:56 PM


  22. @Eric, there are plenty of places without LGBT inclusive churches and we rarely see those who lead them on television. It's important when one gets the national stage on a major news network to talk.

    Posted by: Joe | Sep 27, 2010 10:25:07 PM


  23. WOW...By reading some of these comments from some of you girls...It's just shameful someone non white speaks of inclusion and here you all go with nasty comments and such.

    Just another sad reason why we'll all never really ever get along.

    @ David Ehrenstein Have you dated someone your COLOR before?

    Posted by: Nanno | Sep 28, 2010 12:17:08 AM


  24. Can't keep a brotha down, nanno! Fight the power, free mumia, etc...insert generic race warrior slogan... This is about kiddie rapin', and this man's defense of the kiddie raper...don't forget it, fuckwit. Bigger than race.

    Posted by: TANK | Sep 28, 2010 12:28:31 AM


  25. Did this man really suggest that victims of sexual assault should resolve their issue with their perpetrator in private instead of subjecting them to legal consequences? WOW!

    Posted by: Sam | Sep 28, 2010 2:06:25 AM


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