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  1. says

    This is the kind of woman who would be happy to denounce her Jewish neighbor to the Nazis. Unfortunately Poland is overwhelmingly Catholic, with a tendency for it to become a state church.

    I was going to say that the Polish language is beautiful, but it’s only beautiful coming out of the mouth of Śmiszek and the announcers. Her Polish is just scary.

  2. David in Houston says

    Being part of the “homosexual society” sounds kind of intriguing. Where do I sign up?

    I’m not sure “outing” someone (or calling someone gay) is a sue-able offense. Especially if that person really IS gay, and it’s common knowledge. It also implies that there is something inherently wrong with being gay. I don’t think he has the right to force everyone else not to tell anyone about his sexual orientation. That just isn’t reasonable.

    …and yes, I do think that her being the Equality Minister is a tad ironic.

  3. jexer says

    It’s fine to out someone who foments hatred towards homosexuals, they deserve to be subjected to the discrimination and second-class citizenship they promote.

    In all other cases… publicly outing someone without their consent is utterly inexcusable.

    Imagine, for example, someone said on television: “This person always carries $10,000 cash on them when they’re out in public.”

    The bad apples in society may be few… but there’s no reason to go around painting targets on people to help them out.

  4. TANK says

    Stay classy, poland! Love the dyke cut that nazi’s sportin’. Look on the plus, maybe she’ll piss off someone who matters and get shot in the face. Oh, to dream…

  5. TANK says

    Well, I know that the home army got its ass handed to it by the nazis, who they weakened enough for a russian victory…a little bait and switch by the ruskies, who moved in and cleaned house of those filthy fuckin’ germans. Brilliant tactical strategy.

    As to recent economic history, it is a relatively prosperous eastern european shithole thanks largely to the plans of one jeffrey sachs, who, apparently, has been atoning for his perceived sins ever since.

  6. Brian B. says

    …and this is why the EU shouldn’t rush to admit new member states from eastern Europe. Ever since Poland joined its been nothing but trouble: banning pride parades, proposing legislation to ban homosexual teachers, and holding the Lisbon Treaty hostage because it didn’t want to include homosexuals in the Charter of Fundamental Rights, just to name a few. Poland, stop trying to punch above your weight, you’re not Germany, France, or the UK, thanks.

  7. Paul R says

    Tank, Sachs hasn’t been involved in Poland since 1990. Any recent economic failures have been its own doing or due to EU membership.

    Sachs can be blamed for lots of things, but economic events 20 years ago have almost zero relevance today. And he’s never atoned—he doesn’t apologize for anything.

  8. TANK says

    Paul, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Sachs’s initial plan of shock therapy in poland, in which artificial price and currency controls are dissolved, and massive privatization of publically owned industries and assets occur without oversight and tacit regulation, enabled it to break free from the previous soviet economic stagnation into the more uneven patterns of wealth distribution seen today. Its EU membership was bought and paid for, in fact, because that’s the it works…social issues and human rights are simply not as important as a vital economy, and poland has one compared to the other satellites.

    Its thinking like that–that economic events of the past have zero impact today…that is a reason why I think basic economics ought be a mandatory class HS. Would you say that about NAFTA in the united states, for example? After all, it was implemented 16 years ago…Zero impact? His policy plans laid the groundwork, end of story.

    He doesn’t apologize, no…but he’s dedicated his life to ending global poverty, a lot of which his restructuring efforts brought about.

  9. Paul says

    I’m not sure if this is good or bad, but she’s miles more coherent than her homophobic American counterparts Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman. She’s clearly prejudiced, but she doesn’t sound stupid, uneducated, or delusional. Again, not sure if it’s good or bad that Poland might have less obviously ludicrous homophobes.

  10. ratbastard says

    Poland=Catholic,the rest of Slavic Eastern Europe=Eastern Orthodox….and their attitudes towards homosexuality and pretty much everything else are identical.

    Yet, there are many ‘Catholic’ countries where the situation is the opposite. Even here in the U.S. every survey I’ve seen (and I’ve seen dozens, all reputable) shows, by creed / religion, Catholics hold the most liberal views, including regarding things like homosexuality, even abortion, mores-o than even mainstream Protestants. Are most people aware more people who identify as Catholics than Protestants approve of abortion?

    What I have noticed is areas where there long periods of oppressive political regimes like under leftist communism and rightwing dictatorships, are far behind the democratic, capitalist based nations on many social issues. It’s no surprise that the former communist east is also today the premier hotbed for neo-nazism. Ditto in other places in the world which have lived under oppressive political and social regimes of the left and right. You see the exact same things.

  11. Rowan says

    Ratat, what kind of Jews do you mean? There are lots of ethnical Jews here in the UK who consider themselves Catholic…

    Paul R damn you for making me agree with Tank but what have you been smoking? Do you not think McCarthyism had any effect on how the USA works as a country because it was too god damn long ago? You don’t think slavery had any impact on how AA’s view themsleves or how white people view them particularly in the south?

    What an odd statement to make.

    Im thirty and I can tell 100% that stuff that happened to me below the age of 10 had a huge impact on who I am as a person today, even if it was all that long, long time ago that according to you is irrelevant.

    Lol.

  12. TANK says

    Exactly. Liberalizing Polands economic throttlehold by the PITCA agreement, the underlying threat of a Schezny takeover was avoided. A sort of a bottle in a hole theory is what kept them up with standard EU regulations.
    No one has ever fought the russians on a bigger scale than this homosexual offering of a ludicrous one man show. throw away the affectations, she is here to stay. boy, am I happy.

  13. says

    This “equity minister” is obviously cold and calculating…and…it seems to me that she didn’t get away with it…as it appears that both journalist came to Mr Smiszek’ defense.

    Besides…I am pretty sure the guy jounalist has a mad crush on Mr. Smiszek. Re-watch the film and watch his eyes :)~ It’s pretty funny. And who wouldn’t have a crush on him. ??!!! He adorable! :)

    She will get hers in due time. What goes around…comes around. Too bad though that she wasn’t fired that day. :)

  14. ratbastard says

    Rowan,

    Non-Americans like you (especially Euros / Brits) seem obsessed with the idea every white person in southern American states is a dumb hick. Are you aware there are southern states with black populations of 1/3rd (30%+) of the population? What’s the total racial minority population of the UK? last time I checked it was 89-90% white (not that there’s anything at all wrong with that BTW); my point is you, and people like you, have ZERO business lecturing others about race and racism.

    As for Jews, I don’t comprehend what you wrote; it isn’t clear to me. What I said was Jews, AS A GROUP, tend to vote and have social views more liberal, even leftwing, compared any other demographic group at least based on religion. This is a fact. And Catholics hold more liberal social views all mainline Protestant denominations (exceptions like Unitarians) and far more, on average, than evangelical or pentecostal Protestants and Baptists (Baptists technically aren’t Protestant because they were never a part of the Catholic Church, hence they aren’t ‘protesting’ (PROtestant) anything. These are also facts. I’m not saying I agree with everything personally, or that I think these facts are good or bad, I’m just stating facts.

  15. Paul R says

    Rowan, why are you conflating social and economic issues? Social issues take a lot longer to resolve; economic issues can change by the month. Moreover, the evil of McCarthy actually benefited the US once he left office because it exposed the dangers of extremism. I think anyone would agree that 20 years later, everyone recognized that McCarthy was a hateful piece of crap. And of course slavery affected AA’s views of themselves….but that’s not economics.

    And yeah,Tank, I’m pretty sure I know what I’m talking about since I’ve been writing and editing about economics in Eastern Europe and Central Asia, among other regions, for almost 20 years. But go ask Bolivia, Peru, Romania, and myriad other countries how shock therapy worked for them.(It rarely did, which is why Sachs atones now.) But first be sure to insult me however you like.

  16. ratbastard says

    Germany (and it’s little sidekick,France)controls the EU. The EU exists first and foremost for Germany’s economic benefit. There’s a reason why Germany is the world’s number one exporter. They’ll gladly payoff their poorer Euros (regardless of the loud public whining) because the benefit of gigantic (the world’s largest) home market outweighs the negatives.

  17. Max says

    @Ratbastard

    Germany’s economy would be a lot stronger without he EU.

    Mitterand put Kohl under pressure to join the the uniform currency and threatened to stall the process of reuniting West- and East Germany (the latter Germany bought back from Russia for 12 Billion Deutsch Marks).
    France thought that with one currency they could compete with Germany’s much stronger economy, but their plan failed miserably, and they still whine about it.

  18. anon says

    She shouldn’t have outed him and he shouldn’t be threatening to sue. European libel/defamation laws often suck and too often benefit the corrupt and the powerful from justified criticism. In this case, it’s just too convenient to use them to threaten to sue.

  19. TANK says

    “I think anyone would agree that 20 years later, everyone recognized that McCarthy was a hateful piece of crap.”

    No. To this day pundits like coulter praise him as an american hero. I bet a quick poll of the teaparty opinion on joe would wake you up. Fringes continue to respect these types of people.

    “And yeah,Tank, I’m pretty sure I know what I’m talking about since I’ve been writing and editing about economics in Eastern Europe and Central Asia,”

    Uh huh…

    “among other regions, for almost 20 years.”

    Riiight.

    “But go ask Bolivia, Peru, Romania, and myriad other countries how shock therapy worked for them.”

    It clearly didn’t work there. But it did in poland, and they endured hardship in the beginning–and the class system is, to this day, very skewed.

    “(It rarely did, which is why Sachs atones now.)”

    Sure, but his massive deregulation and privatization regime laid the foundation for a more prosperous (for a minority) poland. I don’t see a rebuttal to anything I’ve written.

  20. TANK says

    “Exactly. Liberalizing Polands economic throttlehold by the PITCA agreement, the underlying threat of a Schezny takeover was avoided. A sort of a bottle in a hole theory is what kept them up with standard EU regulations.
    No one has ever fought the russians on a bigger scale than this homosexual offering of a ludicrous one man show. throw away the affectations, she is here to stay. boy, am I happy.”

    I didn’t write this, btw. My stalker did.

  21. TANK says

    And let that be a lesson: no personal information, ever, under no circumstances– because cranks who stalk and harass you will use whatever they can get to do it (whatever they can get, even if it’s just a “name”)…and you WILL have problems because there’s a whole lot of big bad crazy out there (more than you realize)…an ocean of damaged goods.

  22. Paul R says

    Yeah, Tank, and you’re swimming deep in that ocean of damaged goods. You cite Coulter as though hers is a majority view (even Bill Bennett has shot down McCarthy, and he’s certainly more respected than the attention-seeking blonde), question my job (why in the world would I made that up?), and claim that you’re being stalked.

    I’ve defended you before, but now I see why you’re so unpopular on this site: you’re nuts. And you know what a rebuttal is? Pointing out that Sachs and the Washington consensus often failed when applied as a one size fits all strategy all over the world. Yes, it worked out in Poland for certain groups. But that makes it an outlier. Even Jeff admits that these days. He got paid a lot of money to wreck a lot of economies. He is unquestionably a genius, but he was wrong about many things.

    Larry Summers, Joe Stiglitz, and plenty of other very bright people have made similar mistakes. Predicting economic outcomes, especially in developing countries, is not an easy task. And yes, I know a hell of a lot about it.

  23. TANK says

    So Paul R, was English not your first language? It’s like you’re having a conversation with yourself–responding to points no one made, and going out of your way to repeat stuff I’ve already posted.

    No. You don’t know a lot about “this stuff”. I’m not defending sachs, or any of the other neocon apparatchiks. But if you don’t think that Sachs’ large scale privatization and deregulation efforts contributed significantly to the current state of the polish economy, you’re out of your mind….yes, virginia, the past does make an economic difference. Fuckin’ hell…

    And spare me this, “I’ve defended you in the past,” bullshit. I really don’t care, and am more than capable of defending myself. And nuts? Every thing I’ve posted here follows a linear, rational pattern…can’t the same for you.

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