1. princely54 says

    Shouldn’t I find it ironic that only South Africa recognizes same sex marriage on the entire continent?

    I have been to Zimbabwe. During a safari, cruising on the Zambizi River in a flat bottomed boat, the guide asked me if I was married (I was traveling with a straight couple I know). I answered ‘no’. Did I have any children? ‘No.’ There was less conversation with me after that exchange…

    He definitely had his suspicions about me after that part. Luckily it was on the second on three days in that camp and we weren’t with him the entire 9 days of the safari. I knew that Zimbabwe was oppressive, but I had no idea it was so widespread on the continent.

  2. Joe says

    “The question is: Which culture is superior, the African one or the Western one?'”

    Obviously the western one since they are taking ideas of American evangelicalism and inserting them into law in order to prosecute and kill people.

    To frame this as a west for africa conflict is ridiculous, since it is so obvious that American evangelicals have exported their brand of hatred around the world.

  3. says

    The Obama administration should put those American kill-the gays pastors from Uganda and the United States on a restricted travel list, where Scott Lively can not visit Uganda and the pastors from Uganda can not visit the United States.

  4. ratbastard says

    Why is it whenever something about Africa and homophobia, brutal persecution of gays comes up, almost every post PREDICTABLY drones on and on about ‘religion’, evil ‘western’ Christianity being primarily to blame? It’s become a tired cliche. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say even if there were no ‘Christians or Muslims in Africa, it would still not be a gay friendly and gender equality kind of place.

    As for S.A.:

    Modern, post-apartheid S.A. is a creation of and heavily influenced by ‘western’ liberal, leftwing institutions and ideology. Basically, the S.A. government says the ‘correct’ things, enacts the ‘correct’ laws, and they get rewarded with recognition and $.

  5. Chitown Kev says

    Thank you Tank for that racist analysis (as if “race” means any goddamned thing).

    And please don’t respond to me.

    (and by your measure, than the Asian continent should be a gay paradise)

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  7. James says

    Enough with blaming Western religions.

    Note that African homophobia is dividing the Anglican communion. In the US, the Episcopal church is very progressive. Meanwhile in Africa, Anglican churches are very conservative, to the point where the church might split in two over policy towards gays. The ordination of a gay bishop in NH was the catalyst.

    I’m just so tired of supposedly open minded liberals trying to blame the US for everything. It’s like they are programmed to hate the US, without being truthful about problems in other cultures.

  8. miami says

    There are homosexual and homo/lesbian relationships in traditional religions of Africa. One of least known is “women marriages” similar to the greek system of Athens. There are also gay religious leaders similar to S. Pacific. All of this is “embrassing” for those in Aftica trying to crush a minority to support their own power-same story…

  9. miami says

    The female marriages are in E afica. There is a movie on the film festival circuit trying to bring attention to this in Africa. But all of this is overshadowed by the “jesus” movie shown to the village poor throughout Aftica by American religious nuts. Heard about that look it up. It what your feed the poor in Africa donations go towards…

  10. says

    The problem here is that why even bring this issue up?

    Every time somebody calls out the homophobia of certain people, we are called “racists.”

    Even Peter Tatchell, a respectable gay liberal, was labeled a “racist” by Rastafarian apologists because he rightly called out the homophobia of reggae artists.

    Now homophobia is hiding behind the race card. Which means that now we cannot attack it and address it anymore without being labeled “racists.”

  11. Blub says

    BS, PEPA.

    You could still address it in a non-racist way.

    And don’t compare yourself with Peter Tatchell. He was accused of racism, but unlike some people her wasn’t actually racist. If you can’t distinguish that, you have a serious problem.

  12. Chris says

    Corruption, bigotry, and genocide are hallmarks of many countries in Africa. The media has focused on the persecution of gays and lesbians in Uganda. But it is important to keep in mind that governments throughout the region are victimizing other groups. Human Rights Watch has done an excellent job in describing acts of violence and discrimination that are taking place against women, refugees, and the disabled in a number of African countries. The International Criminal Court, which started in 2002, has open cases against 16 individuals for crimes in northern Uganda, the Democratic Republic of Congo, the Central African Republic, and Darfur. Certainly more needs to be done, and the court has an uphill job given the magnitude of abuses that are occurring.

    The United States and the rest of the global community can influence African politics through debt reduction and aid packages that are tied to specific human rights measures. But ultimately those living in the region must demand and hold government accountable for the violation of human rights. Such a change will likely take years, which is unfortunate for the victims of oppressive regimes.

  13. Chris says

    @ Ratbastard, You must be a world traveler, or a google hound! But thanks for the input.

    Also @ Andy I seen what you wrote about the pic. That is Bishop Carlton Pearson who is a Gay accepting Pastor.

  14. Daddolfe says

    Africa puts a huge strain around us. No good contribution to the free world, corruption to the point of insanity, fighter mentality, homophobia ingrained in and beyond it, it’s politically incorrect to call much of Africa out for what it’s leaders are. Corrupt, militant, crazies who are a huge threat to the world. That whole part of the world creates far more problems than a single helpful solution to the rest of the world it shares this gorgeous planet with.

  15. billmiller says

    Since these sleaseball so called christians are losing ground here with their hate speech in the western world, they must feel that they have to go somewhere where the folks are not as well educated to spew their hate crap. Remember when Jesus loved all the little children, now the song goes…Heterosexual, male, and white, they are precious…

  16. Chitown Kev says


    One could even look at African-inspired religions in the New World.

    For example, voodoo in Haiti, which the evangelical Christians have been trying to attack; voodoo is a religion that has always been a safe haven LGBT peoples.

  17. Strepsi says

    @PRINCELY54: My husband and I went to Africa and lied. We both had wedding bands, and told everyone that our wives had gone to PAris instead because they did not share our interest in geography. Less issues.

    I am out and proud — got publicly married for corn’s sakes! — but if I really have to visit a country where just being gay can get me 5 years to life, you bet I’ll lie.

    As do the poor gay folk who live there. My heart goes out to the poor LGBT kids living in these countries.

  18. Reginald Drummer says

    I’ve never been able to understand this Nation. They have so many Issues but let’s make the issue of the main issue. Maybe it’s because that is the only thing they can sit-down an agree to. But not that they can unite and really take power they cant even get the UN the recanize a vote . What a waste of Space.

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