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  1. QJ201 says

    Call me when the following happens:

    Graffiti on homes saying “Crucify Christians”

    People wearing crosses around their necks being spit on, verbally accosted, or physically attacked in public.

    Legislators introducing bills stating that christians cannot marry or adopt.

  2. says

    Should the Catholic Church be indicted by the Federal Government as a pedophile ring protecting perps by sending them across state lines to continue their crimes?

  3. johnny says

    Santorum: “There aren’t gay couples in every state.”

    The depth of ignorance is astounding. And I truly believe that’s exactly what he thinks.

  4. CPT_Doom says

    Not surprisingly, Newt Gingrich is a liar. Catholic Charities in MA was NOT shut down by the state. In fact, they placed 13 children with gay or lesbian couples before Sean O’Malley, Bernie Law’s replacement, demanded they begin discriminating. One-fifth of the board of directors of the charity quit rather than comply.

  5. Wayne says

    Why doesn’t a moderator remind them that their personal religious views don’t matter in politics?

  6. Peter says

    I know we are taught to forgive but my partner and I will NEVER forget the so-called good people marching with signs that read “THANK GOD FOR AIDS”. We lost too many friends to be forgiving to that trash. VOTE DEMOCRATIC and don’t forget either!

  7. AJ says

    Ha! My iPhone won’t let me watch this BS. It’s protecting me from starting out my day angry and disgusted by humanity! Thanks iPhone.

  8. Caliban says

    I can’t bring myself to watch it. I knew before it started the GOP candidates would say a lot of offensive, distorted, ignorant, deliberate lies that would appeal to their Evengelical “Christian” base and they did. No surprise there. I don’t need to rub my nose in the specifics because I already know them for what they are and oppose them unreservedly.

    I’m glad others watched it but I just can’t bring myself to do it.

    Romney’s statement (as reported by others) surprises me though, if only for its utter stupidity. Where exactly does he think gay couples AREN’T? There are gay couple in the Mormon wonderland of Utah and even Salt Lake City, the wilds of Wyoming, Alaska and the deepest South. So WTF is he going on about?

  9. Caliban says

    Oops. Santorum said that, not Romney. THAT isn’t quite so surprising, but still so monumentally stupid it’s beyond imagination.

    And if the whole pack of them weren’t so craven and mendacious one of the others would have called him on it.

  10. candideinnc says

    News people are craven cowards. During the ’60s, when discrimination against Blacks was discussed, there was no place outside of the South where news people would let bigots get away with the crap these Rethugs are spewing. Hatred of LGBT is the last socially acceptable bigotry in America, and the news people who moderate these programs and let the potential leaders of our nation get away with the lies, distortions and pandering to the lowest common denominators in our society are like the press in Nazi Germany who turned a blind eye to the attacks on the Jews. Collaborators!

  11. Paul R says

    I honestly didn’t think it possible for me to despite Gingrich even more. Every day brings a new surprise.

  12. Jexer says

    Beggars can’t be choosers.

    Tax the Catholic Church.

    And STOP giving it 2 billion dollars in federal tax money annually until they play nice.

    If they want to play by their own rules… they can do it with their own damned money, NOT MINE.

  13. says

    It should be played to the soundtrack of Michael Jackson’s they don’t care about us. Since most of the LGBT community put their apples in the Democratic Party cart, we arent a visible influence in the Republican Party to lobby for change. We need competition in political discourse.

  14. TJ says

    The “War Against Religion” – where do I enlist? Where are the recruiting centers? And why can’t we just call it a jihad so that we really can get people riled up?

    What is really impressive about this rhetoric is how it makes fighting for freedom of religion (and the freedom from being forced into a belief system) and equality seem really evil and un-American. The only way people can be free to believe as they choose is to not only allow for a difference of opinion but also to not codify one belief system, especially those that favor faith over fact. There was an interesting opinion piece on CNN about Santorum (among others) wanting to have the laws of the land conform to biblical standards – sharia by another name. But I guess it’s only scary if the laws are based on other religions.

    Go ahead and believe that being gay is a choice (although my ultra-liberal fantasy self wonders, in a free country, so what?), or that people become gay because they have been molested. Go ahead and believe that marriage is only for procreation. Go ahead and believe that if you don’t believe in these and other points of “morality” and faith, you will burn in hell. But in a free country, any restrictions on freedom must be based on reason and evidence.

  15. suede says

    Did think-progress censor Ron Paul too or did he not get to speak on this matter?

    I’m sick of media censoring him. It is just ethically wrong. I don’t get why the American media and the establishment are afraid of people like Paul or Chomsky.

  16. Vern Dufford says

    “MY HANDS ARE CLENCHED IN RAGE”…that this once again is the pulpit the Republicans feel they can win on their brand of Nazism!

  17. Acronym Jim says

    As previously mentioned by CPT DOOM, Catholic Charities was not shut down by the state. Catholic Charities initially banned a twenty-year old practice of placing orphans with gay couples due to an order reportedly received directly from the Vatican by Archbishop Sean O’Malley. When the state required compliance with Massachusetts’ anti-discrimination laws and under protest by its own board of directors, the church ceased all adoption rather than LOSE ITS GOVERNMENT FUNDING.

    Catholic Charities could have continued adopting children as the Archbishop/Vatican saw fit, but would have had to do so without the fat paycheck from the state. So much for states rights.

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/catholic-bishops-claim-laws-allowing-gay-adoption-violate-religious-liberty/

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=42906

    So Santorum thinks some states don’t have gay citizens and Gingrich implies that the existence gay citizens and support of equal rights for those citizens is anti-Christian discrimination.

    There’s not enough lipstick in all of Max Factor and Maybelline combined to prettify the pigs of discrimination that seek to be the next President of the United States.

  18. oliver says

    I don’t know how many of you reading this live outside of the USA (as I do) but what’s interesting to me is that if you go to a church in Europe you will be hard pressed to find anyone under the age of 70 or 80. Middle aged and young people have nothing to do with religion in Europe.
    When did the USA become this hot bed for religion in politics?

  19. M. Bergeron says

    Oliver, that’s easy. When the English expelled the Puritans and they came to North America. America is full of the descendants of Europe’s religious crazies. Thanks oh so much!

  20. Acronym Jim says

    @Oliver:”When did the USA become this hot bed for religion in politics?”

    My guess? 1776, shortly after the Articles of Confederation (the predecessor to the U.S. Constitution) first began to be drafted by the Second Continental Congress. The process started in June, just before the issuance of the Declaration of Independence. I’m sure there was plenty of religious-based political strife before then, but that would have made the American territory of the U.K. the “hotbed for religion in politics.”

  21. says

    Oliver is right. My husband is Irish, I am French and we spend much time in those countries. Neither has such an ardent core of religious fanatics as America does. The Catholic Church MUST keep their presence alive in the U.S. because of the great abundance of money generated here. It is unbelievable to me that any gay person would belong to the Catholic faith.

  22. Nautic says

    You guys are pretty stupid if you think these debates are representative of America. They’re pandering to the fringe base that goes outs and votes in primaries. OBVIOUSLY they’re going to sound radical. Wait 4 months and whoever wins will swing back and be touting their moderate positions.

  23. candideinnc says

    @Oliver: I don’t think the difference between religions in Europe and the US accounts for American fanaticism. I think that the parochialism of America is more to blame. With the European nations interacting closely with one another, this leads to a more cosmopolitan outlook on matters relating to superstitions. Americans, particularly in the south, are inbred when it comes to religion. Evangelism has been festering here and produced its religious version of the Georgian crackers in Deliverance.

    The other issue is that Americans don’t have direct experience with the consequences of religious wars. They are under the misapprehension that nothing bad happens when zealots take over governments.

  24. Gregoire says

    Suede, are seriously suggesting that Ron Paul is constantly being edited and left out of the debate? I can’t get the f*ck AWAY from the Ron Paul message, especially with the Paulbots out in force posting on every website on the planet. He got plenty of questions at the debate, and the so-called ‘why are people ignoring Ron Paul’ question is becoming a canard that supporters can hoist their martyrism upon.

  25. says

    Setting this hate-drenched video to Michael Jackson’s “They Don’t Care About Us” . . . an excellent idea. Somebody make it happen! What’s more, a Lesbian or Gay musician should cover that song ASAP and make its relevance to LGBT Americans explicit.

  26. fedorajoe says

    The difference between the USA and our sister nations is that we, unfortunately, have one thing that the others don’t: a massive fundamentalist population that has been growing steadily for 200 years. The Republican primary is one of those times when the full ugliness of that fanaticism is on open display. But please understand that this is an undercurrent in American culture, not the mainstream. I live in a very traditional area, and many conservatives and Republicans locally are disgusted by these candidates.

  27. Chuck Mielke says

    First: I wonder why Andy Towle would use the phrase, “the gay problem.” Simply repeating that phrase seems to affirm its legitimacy, which it utterly lacks. By failing to contest the labels used by our opponents, we concede their position and lose our own authority.

    Second: I wonder how much financial support Mr. Gingrinch (deliberate misspelling) gets directly or indirectly from the Catholic Reich. Looks like a violation of church and state; looks like the RCC should lose tax-exempt status on payroll, property, advertising, etc. Same goes for the LDS (Romney) and the other evangelical churches that support these other bigoted ass-hats.

  28. billmiller says

    Pander is the only word that appplies here…Pandering to tiny minded il-informed, poorly educated pseudo-christian people.

  29. anon says

    Fanaticism is not more prevalent in the US, but it more often takes a religious tone than in Europe, where it takes political forms. Europe has been embroiled in warfare religious or otherwise for thousands of years. The current peace is only sixty-odd years old (or less if you count the cold war and Yugoslavia), which is not particularly long in terms of continental history. Why does fanaticism in the US show up in religion? Largely because our politics is very restrictive while our religions are a free-for-all.