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  1. Dback says

    Get in line, Fury. Smart, funny, compassionate, well-spoken, creative–and yes, sexy as hell in his bear-cub way. I’d like to French kiss him breathless.

  2. says

    If I may…not every homophobe is the right wing, white, conservative guy. From my many experiences, the most homophobic encounters I’ve had have been black men at work the work place, who consistently reffered to being Obama supporters back then, but proudly homophobic. And not just slightly homophobic, but the homophobic who would never interact with customers who they said were f-gs. And go on to comment on how “woulda kicked that fruits azz if not for being at work”

  3. Jose mirfan says

    I do have to agree partially with Dennis here in that the gay community has convinced ourselves and our allies that there’s only one type of person standing in the way of equality, and that’s the white Republican, but the real reality is the most vocal and physical homophobia exists amongst the African American culture, notably AA young males. There’s thousands of hate crimes from urban areas from recent times to confirm that fact.

    And until we as a community request the African American community have a conversation about homophobia, things will continue to get worse.

  4. IonMovies says

    Do I think that the LGBT community is fixated on painting a convenient picture of one face for homophobia, and ignorantly staying with that face (rich, republican, redneck)? Yes. I do believe we do that too often for our own good, and we don’t tackle the big elephant in the room, which is to say homophobia is most prominent in urban areas, and they certainly aren’t voting for Santorum.
    But that’s not to neglect the fact that these politicians Conservatives spewing hate also encourages homophobia.
    White conservatives males promote homophobia most often, but sadly, black liberal males practice it most often.

  5. says

    White Republican homophobes have an unprecedented amount of power these days. That’s the difference.

    Throw the bums out of office and we’ll talk about this matter again.

  6. Peter says

    Thanks, Kevin. They probably would want to be in your brother’s bedroom. Closet cases!

  7. justandra says

    I agree with David Ehrestein. The AA doesn’t have much political power and are not in any position to make laws as such. Is there a problem with homophobia, most definitely but also in my experience, a lot of it is all talk and poising.

  8. AJ says

    I run into it quite a bit from AA males too. However, when they see we have some common ground they are far more swift in their acceptance than Christians. I agree that a lot of it is all talk. We fear what we don’t understand. Where understanding is possible, fear subsides.

  9. MARCUS BACHMANN says

    Um, being gay has NOTHING to do with what goes on in the bedroom. Sexual orientation is not a sex act.

  10. luminum says

    I like that the comments have once again set up the dichotomy here as Gay Men vs. African Americans, as if there are no queer African Americans.

    “African Americans need to talk about homophobia in THEIR culture because they are attacking US, a separate culture.”

    If people are insightful enough to note that the fight against homophobia on all levels of power isn’t just against white, straight, Conservative men, then they should also be insightful enough to note that the ones being attacked aren’t only white, homosexual, Liberal men.

  11. new-new says

    @ Luminum:

    This is why i simply can’t get with the (white) “gay community” at large. the ubiquitous whiteness is infuriating, and that part of the movement continues to marginalize or erase the importance of mine and others’ experiences as people of color as if racism no longer exists.

    even in this post, the racism within the gay community comes out as people try to make gross stereotypes about a large and diverse group of people. the scapegoating of black people in regards to institutional barriers faced by the LGBT community is contemptible. the amount of white privilege here in the comment sections of this blog is staggering.

  12. leprechaunvict says

    Kevin Smith has flawless skin, I’ve always noticed it. Sexy bear, yum…

    And I too am sick of commenters always wanting to blame teh blacks for homophobia in the US. If you spent half as much time attacking Republicans you’d change the larger culture far quicker.

  13. Caliban says

    It’s kind of ridiculous to get sidetracked onto homophobia in the black community when it’s white Republican legislators who are writing and voting for discriminatory laws. Are black people leading NOM, the AFA, FOTF? No.

    You might have reason to fear non-white homophobes on an individual, one-on-one basis but it’s mainly the white Religious Right figures who are trying to take away your rights through legislation.

    And you’re ignoring the obvious link between all these groups, Rich white Republicans, rednecks, and homophobic blacks- Religion.

    In the wake of the Prop 8 ruling groups like NOM are trying (most of the time) to downplay the fact that their objection to Marriage Equality is based in religion because “The Bible says…” has no place in a court of law. But don’t let them fool you, that IS the source. Which isn’t to say that ALL religious people are homophobic, but in virtually all cases homophobia can be traced back to religion even when that person doesn’t attend church or is particularly religious.

    For instance, regarding the black community, during the Civil Rights era the backbone of the black community, the place they found leadership, strength, and solace, was the church, specifically the Baptist church. And the church continues to have an enormous influence and helped create that atmosphere of homophobia which affects many people even when they aren’t church goers.

    And it’s the religious leaders who are going to have to confront that problem and many are doing so, such as Reverend Jesse Jackson, Reverend Al Sharpton, etc. in the black community.

  14. says

    To be fair. If black people get to make note of white racism, which they have and consistently do based on personal experiences, why then can’t gay people speak on their observations of high rates of homophobia faced by the black community.

    There’s ant black racism in virtually every demographic (sadly) but the one black folks most often point to is racism from whites. How is that different than the gay community pointing out homophobia by way of African Americans considering it DOES happen more frequently.

  15. Nat says

    “And you’re ignoring the obvious link between all these groups, Rich white Republicans, rednecks, and homophobic blacks- Religion. ”

    One of my ex-partners experienced this twice a few years back. She did not take his coming out well, but she was even more appalled when he told her that he was an atheist as well.

    “the scapegoating of black people in regards to institutional barriers faced by the LGBT community is contemptible.”

    So long as we’re talking about institutional barriers, this is correct. But it doesn’t really answer whether targeted approaches to improve cultural acceptance would be advisable.

  16. TheorangeLane says

    @ AJ

    So because the African Americans who you run into only display homophobia because of ‘posing’ and it’s ‘all talk’ it’s not anything to be upset about? And sadly, I bet you don’t challenge them on it either. I bet you’re that “gay friend” people refer to who they know and has no issue with their brand of homophobia.

    Would you feel the same if someone was just putting up a front with their racism and ‘were just all talk’

  17. LuckyLinden says

    I think that it a really good point. No one denies there is homophobia in urban populations that I think has more to do with education, exposure, and ignorance than the desire to impose morality on others we see from the more entitled and politically influential white conservative homophobe. You could change every urban black person’s mind tomorrow abbot would have almost no effect on the laws and movements and money being mobilized against gays. None. Because the urban black person has no impact on the granting or limiting of our rights.

    The truth, though, is that I see a lot of support for gay rights among affluent liberal black people, of whom I know many. And interestingly unlike white people, these pro gay, liberal, and affluent blacks tend to be just as or more religious than their poorer, less educated, more ignorant brethren…so unrelated to religious devotion, when blacks are educated, exposed, and enlightened on gay causes they tend to align with us as a minority, but that is not true with conservative, religious, whites. You get a lot more of that passive aggressive Kirk Cameron stuff from them as they vote against or interests and donate to anti-gay bigots the whole time.

    And most significant is that last point…the top religious leaders with the most crossover appeal and political influence in the black community are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Both are unequivocal in their support for gay rights and marriage equality; as was Coretta Scott King. Yes there are less famous and far less politically influential black mega church pastors who are still anti-gay, but you see no such divide or passionate advocacy from the most influential white religious leaders.. Franklin Graham, Pat Robertson, and the late Jerry Fallwell…those are the political equivalents in the religious community to black religious political leaders like Jackson, Sharpton, and the late King and that’s where the proof lies.

    The idea that a lack of acceptance or even hatred by a poor and uneducated politically influential group is as or more important to “address” vis-a-vis our rights and freedoms as those who actually hold the money and the reigns of power is at best a red herring or distraction and at worse race-baiting and intentional misdirection.

    What did the man say about robbing banks? You rob them because that’s where the money is. Why do we focus first and foremost from a rights perspective on white, conservative men? Because they are who are actively and at times effectively blocking our rights. As we learned in the Prop 8 fight (when black churches were blamed only to have the actual data show little to no disproportionate impact by the demographic) it always comes down to who actually has money and influence.

    We can then work (after or simultaneously) on improving education and enlightenment in poor urban communities…but that is not the same as protecting and gaining rights at a local, state, or national level.

  18. Michelle says

    To those arguing above that the black community doesn’t have much power in enforcing laws, so their type of homophobia is non threatening to us.

    Call me crazy, but personally I’d rather have far fewer rights, but still be allowed to walk out in the street and not be dragged, shot at or killed for being gay. Which is what has occured in recent news stories concerning gays being targetted by a group of black men in D.C, Atlanta, New York, Chicago and Houston all within the past 3 months.

  19. says

    call ME crazy but i think you idiots complaining about “blacks” are freakin’ pathetic.

    “black people” are not the reason a great number of you commenters are still semi-Closeted, nor are they the reason that your own White Families and Communities aren’t joining the LGBT Equality campaigns in a visible and vocal way.

    truly.

    stop coming on here to complain about “blacks”

    get your apparently-amazing white families to take a Visible and Vocal stance as advocates for LGBT Equality.

    if you can. ten bucks says most can’t. that’s why you complain about “the blacks”

  20. Kyle-ATL says

    “And I too am sick of commenters always wanting to blame teh blacks for homophobia in the US.”

    So we shouldn’t confront black homophobia? we should pretend it doesn’t exist and it’s not as prevelant and prominent as it really is? talk to the many gay people who have been directly targetted repeatedly by the black community with homophobia, including some of the commentators above and myself and my partner and many of my friends including black gay friends. What many of us are sick of is a demographic that refuses to have a conversation about gays, except for the preacher spewing hate toward us at the Church. Until LGBT community, notably black LGBT community request an honest conversation about gays be had by the black community, then the likes of those preachers and Roland Martin are controlling the gay conversation for that segment of the population…and that’s going to lead to more destruction.

  21. Real Talk says

    I’m black. I KNOW black homophobia exists, and it’s not the casual homophobia some people (who wanna whistle ‘racism!’ all the time) make it out to be. ASK ME. I lived it. To deny that is to deny a reality.

    there’s lots of componenets to make it so. gangster rap thats glorified and not gay friendly, the church, a cultural element, an unhealthy obsession with mannerisms and an alpha male, you put all that together and you get often heightened levels of homophobia.

    to pretend it doesn’t exist, or that homophobia within the black community is non chalant and no more rough than that from others is just foolish. it hurts GAY BLACK KIDS most. trust me when I say that. until there’s a shift, and a mind change, and an examination (which requires us black gays engaging the convo) our black gay and lesbian youth hurt the most. I started engaging those around me. have you? for everytime you scream “racist!” at a white gay male sharing their stories of being confronted with black homophobia on the street, having you taken as much time making change within the black community?
    it’s easy to sit back and discredit every non black GLBTs experience with black homophobia, but it takes a lil more work to actually confront the black homophobia.

  22. Patricia Simone says

    I’m not a troll, and I truly do see both sides of this issue which seems to be resurfaced often, and that is the heart of my personal (and humble) message here. If so often, individuals in our community feel the need to address this concern of theirs -homophobia by African Americans- shouldn’t it require some addressing? What is so terrible about analyzing both statistics but also personal accounts, and hoping to create specific improvements in specific sectors of the population? Whether it be lack of education, or strong presence of religion, many have felt in our community that the African African community does contribute to homophobia in ways that shouldn’t be. Evaluating that, to create a plan of action to change that, in my- once again humble opinion- isn’t such a terrible thing to invite disdain. If done right, I actually see it as very effective.

  23. BobN says

    Sure, there are a lot of homophobic black men and not every white male Republican is a bigot BUT look at how their respective representatives in Congress vote.

    Which group votes for and which against gay rights, the Congressional Black Caucus or the GOP?

    Duh. Double duh.

  24. Chitown Kev says

    It’s never easy to confront those who look like you and with whom you share cultural affinities and/or kinship.

    It’sw a lot easier for white gays to point the finger at a homophobic black community as the source of so much homophobia.

    Difficult to look at the homophobia of their parents and kin.

    It’s easy for black gays and lesbians to point the finger at racist white gays (of which there are aplenty) then to point the finger at their culture and churches, etc. (although it happens quite frequently).

    Set thine own house in order before you go pointing fingers.

    I suppose.

  25. says

    for what it’s worth – gay white men on here complaining about “black homophobia” doesn’t DO anything.

    the fact that the racist party of america is also the anti-gay party of america seems to be lost on some folk….

  26. says

    i will say, though – isn’t it odd how gay republicans are almost always complete racists and how the few non-white republicans are almost always anti-gay?

    it’s incredible – they both Lean Right because they hate….each other.

  27. CollardHines says

    So it’s not right to mention black homophobia, but consistent mentions of white homophobia (Republican variety) is fine.

    Why is that? because it hurts admitting a part of the population the gay community has convinced itself is their ally, isn’t much of an ally?
    hence it was easy marching in front of a Mormon church, but where was the marches in Compton at the black churches who said far worse about gays?

  28. says

    Exactly, BOBN!

    The NAACP supports LGBT rights. Any Right/Repub organization? Nope. All my own straight black friends and acquaintances know I’m gay and have no problem with that. They support me and my whole family with love and respect.

    Someone mentioned in an earlier post about bullying from above vs. from below. I think that’s relevant here: the white/right folks are in a position of power (even though they claim to be powerless victims), whereas, generally, black “urban” youth come from a true position of powerlessness. Not excusing how their anger at being powerless might be expressed, but it’s understandable that there’s great and deep-seated anger.

    But the very fact that a post about Kevin Smith’s (hubba hubba) comments re: right wingers (of no particular race) became a cause for posting the first few comments shows a racist, dogmatic bent.

    We would have killed prop 8 but for teh blacks! (oh, no, not due to those lily white mormons, though). It’s pathetic and sad.

  29. Kim says

    Of course there is homophobia in the Black community as there is in the White community. I know far more White Gay people that have been ‘disowned’ by their parents/ family than Black gay people.Black folks may make more negative comments about Gays but we for the most part don’t turn our backs on our gay relatives. For the White gays how often do you confront White family/ friernds when they make racist commments? It’s a 2 way street.

  30. Chitown Kev says

    “Black folks may make more negative comments about Gays but we for the most part don’t turn our backs on our gay relatives”

    Don’t tell that lie…yes, black families and black churches…a lot of them…do turn their back on their relatives, particularly those that don’t adhere to the DADT protocols of the community…and white families do the exact same thing. I don’t know why white gays think that black folks are other than…well, human, I guess.

    anyway, I don’t even know how or why this thread morphed into the 1,265,467,931th conversation at towleroad on black homophobia.

  31. jaragon says

    Unfortunately minority groups are easily persuaded by religious based bigotry- but Kevin is of course right- when anyone starts preaching against sex or porn it means he has plenty of dirt hiding in his dungeon

  32. antisaint says

    Dennis is a troll (Note where his name links to) and you all got sucked into the pretty red herring. This post has nothing to do with homophobia within the black community.

    Understanding changes minds, and you don’t have to be any particular color to provide that to others. Just a thought.

  33. Wes says

    White, latino and asian ghetto people are also violently homophobic. Its not a race thing, its an alpha male dominance/insecurity/ignorance thing. It is cultural, but that culture is not black or white, its class.

    The affluent, educated, politically powerful bigots are usually arrogant spoiled asses on power-trips who are only better at concealing the extent of damage they inflict on gay people through manipulative language and the levers of government.

    Each poses a distinct threat to our community.

  34. wsmith says

    Caliban says: You might have reason to fear non-white homophobes on an individual, one-on-one basis but it’s mainly the white Religious Right figures who are trying to take away your rights through legislation.

    I have a question: which of my rights is the Religious Right trying to take away?

    Living in Texas, I feel like I’m more free now than I was 10 or 20 years ago.

    Granted that I can’t get married (yet) but that certainly isn’t a right that was taken away from me. And it’s one that I expect to gain in the medium near term.

    What am I missing?