Goodbye, John Derbyshire

02106c7f42aae2b7418b05930fc1f692John Derbyshire's career is over.

The polemecist, novelist, and National Review writer — who long ago made the admission that he was a "homophobe, though a mild and tolerant one, and a racist, though an even more mild and tolerant one" — last week published a not-at-all mild or tolerant article in the online journal Taki's Magazine entitled "The Talk: Nonblack Version." The article is a response to the dozen or so other articles published since the killing of Trayvon Martin in which black American parents discuss "the talk" they must have with their children about dealing with white authority figures. (The talk goes something like this: Do as you're told servilely, even if you think you're being treated unfairly, or else you might wind up in trouble far greater than your alleged misdeeds would warrant.)

Writes Derbyshire:

There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too. My own kids, now 19 and 16, have had it in bits and pieces as subtopics have arisen. If I were to assemble it into a single talk, it would look something like the following.

Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as black, and whom I shall refer to as black …

As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black psychopaths. In a population of forty million, you will find almost any human type …

… and because of this variance, Derbyshire explains, it is important for his children to treat each individual black person with the same courtesy and kindness accorded to strangers of any hue.

But:

As you go through life … you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your encounters are random — for example, not restricted only to black convicted murders or to black investment bankers — the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means — the averages — of many traits are very different for black and white Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the human sciences. …

Of most importance to your personal safety are the very different means for antisocial behavior …

A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

Which is why Derbyshire wishes his children to avoid "concentrations of blacks not known to you personally," black neighborhoods, beaches and amusement parks frequented by blacks, concerts and other events frequented by blacks, and depart public events at which large numbers of black people show up. Which is really five ways of saying the same thing, which Derbyshire nevertheless thought necessary to separate into bullet points. Perhaps he ran out of things to say.

But no! Derbyshire continues:

Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.

Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.

Most of the rest of Derbyshire's screed deals with the alleged relative stupidity of black people. Nevertheless, Derbyshire admits the existence of "intelligent and well-socialized blacks," which he abbreviates as "IWSBs," and about whom he writes:

You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.

… Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).

The reactions from Derbyshire's fellow conservatives and National Review collegues were swift and brutal. (Even though a perusal of their own published opinions suggests that they agree with most or all of Derbyshire's points, if not with his method of expressing them.) Jonah Goldberg, author of Liberal Fascism, called Derbyshire's article "fundamentally indefensible and offensive." National Review editor Rick Lowry decried Derbyshire's "appalling view." Asked if he wanted to associate with such "racist trash" as Derbyshire, National Review writer Ramesh Ponnuru tweeted "I know I don't." And in the article containing these very condemnations, Matt K. Lewis, of the right-wing, Daily Caller wrote:

I believe in free speech — especially unpopular speech. But that doesn’t mean National Review has to subsidize it. And it certainly doesn’t mean we shouldn’t condemn it.

Some people aren’t worth the fighting for. Some things are indefensible. This is one of those cases.

The National Review announced Derbyshire's firing in a post on Saturday night, and it seems unlikely anyone other than Taki's Magazine will ever publish his polemics again. It's a shame, in a way, that we'll never know what kind of conversation he might have had with his children about gay people. Though we may obtain hints here, and here, and here.

Comments

  1. says

    HA! the best part are the “rebuttals”

    these poor fools are basically saying “Oh, NO! He said what we all believe in public view! You’re supposed to keep that hush-hush until you get to a good old boys townhall meeting!”

    seriously. a bunch of dunderheads running around saying “Buddy! you’re not supposed to let THEM know what we think!”

    too bad nobody with a brain is fooled.

  2. enough already says

    Sadly, there’s a good chance that exactly this type of in-duh-vi-dual will be elected in November because too many of us liberals are too busy ‘voting our conscience’ to consider the consequences.

  3. scott says

    A disgusting human being…… God, I’d hate to be his wife. Or his kids for that matter. Pieces of crap like him should go crawl in a cave and scowl the rest of their life away.

  4. thinking about it says

    As an essay it’s not bad. Rather clever to take the flip side of “The Talk” and invert white/black behavior. Points out the prejudice of the black parent, and at the same time, the practicality of the points of view expressed, and show the white side of the same prejudice and the flip side of practicality.

    Maybe a bit tongue-in-cheek. Maybe too close to the truth. Makes people uncomfortable, but I can’t say any of his points are wrong. Good practical sense, especially say fifty years ago when going into a black neighborhood would be a big mistake for whitey. I remember, as a white, that going into a poor white neighborhood was an even bigger mistake.

  5. Just_a_guy says

    John Derbyshire is anything but tolerant.

    In fact, his attempts to brand himself as “mild and tolerant” make his outrageous pronouncements on black skin, female genatalia, and male same-sex desire even more dishonest.

    John Derbyshire projected his own lack of conscience as if his way of thinking was truth, simply, and did not need to stand up to scrutiny of proof or evidence. A John Derbyshire = a mere apologist for white, straight male privilege–to which he clung as if it was his sacred birthright.

    But I’m sure he’ll still manage to write more anti-black, anti-gay, and anti-female tomes.

  6. H8Str8s says

    I wouldn’t go into a black neighborhood. Not because I am white, but because I am gay. Here in Ca., the blacks voted for prop. 8 at 70%. I wouldn’t want to hide my sexuality and I wouldn’t feel safe amongst such a hate-filled group.

  7. Ricco says

    There are, as with all races, individuals who are racist . . . but there is nothing substantial, THINKING ABOUT IT, Derbyshire has to say as counter point to the talks Black parents have with their children.

    Sometimes I wonder if straight people come on Towleroad in disguise to rattle our cages, but then I remind myself that gay people can be cops, firemen, soldiers, mechanics, world-class athletes, Mormons, republicans, and bigots.

    It is painful to have to instruct an adult on what one would think should be the obvious difference between the talk a concerned black parent has with their children about the realities of being Black in America: where to sit on the bus, which fountains to drink from, to keep close track of your eyes lest a white man accuses you of looking at a white woman, and to never-ever, however unjust, talk back to a white man, and the sham trials for rape and murder, where even something as innocuous as walking down the street, or driving in your is fraught with danger . . . white cops riddling you with 28 bullets . . . or even fifty bullets . . .

    AND the talk a concerned white parent has with their kids about the potential anger Blacks may have that they were held cruel enslavement, and their civil rights denied them into the 1960’s, with persistent questions to this date on said civil rights.

    Now, of course, if you are a racist, who does not acknowledge the crimes perpetrated by White America against Black Americas, or that there was anything for which we ought, as a country, to feel ashamed, and seek to eradicate from the American way of life, you will instruct your children exactly as Derbyshire suggests . . .

    But the more sensible parent, the one who does espouse racist attitudes are going to instruct your children on the art of giving and getting respect.

    It is just another ugly perspective of racism that would suggest that the effects of racism has been as equally hard on White Americans as it has Black Americans . . . and an insult to our collective intelligence that the conversation of a white racist parent rearing their children in their racist attitudes is, in tone, the same conversation a non-racist (or even a racist Black parent for that matter)Black parent has with their child to ensure that child returns home safely.

    There is nothing to think about in this regard, THINKING ABOUT IT.

  8. says

    RICCO, you need to realize that it’s actually white homosexual man who are coming on here to “rattle cages”. insecure white men whose bigotry toward blacks, women, and liberals is….well…… just look at Derbyshire’s nonsense.

    this is whom they’re sucking up to.

    i dunno. i grew up in toronto. one of the most multiculturally diverse cities in the world. my highschool? whites were the minority. and i came out in high school.

    what we’re gonna see on here RICCO, over and over again, are people who ignore the anti-gay prejudices of their own communities because focusing on “the blacks” is an easier distraction than dealing with the reality that they’re sleeping with the enemy.

    this is their pattern, and likely for life. insist that _______ is the problem rather than the people they’re choosing to be doormats to.

  9. H8Str8s says

    I didn’t see anyone suggest the effects of racism has been equally hard on White Americans as it has on Black Americans. Are you saying it is safe for a white person to travel into all-black neighborhoods? In “liberal San Francisco” there is the Bayview/hunter’s point neighborhood where if you are white and you stumble in you will not come out – and that is what the blacks living there brag. I had a friend who had a friend who lived there tell him this. It was not a threat. It was very matter-of-fact. Whites in that neighborhood have a target on their backs. It is good advice to a white child to stay out of there.
    Not to mention the homophobia and misogyny.

  10. H8Str8s says

    @Littlekiwi
    You are serious aren’t you? You actually believe there is more homophobia amongst whites than there are amongst coloured minorities? I imagine you do, because you are not big on facts. Prop. 8 poll returns.

  11. says

    i believe there’s more homophobia amongst Conservatives. Even Gay Republicans are so p*ssy-whipped by the prejudices of htie Chosen Allies that they don’t have the balls to actually promote, champion, or advocate for actual LGBT Equality.

    this is not because of black people, but because they’re terrified of losing favor with the White Christian Conservatives whom they’re still desperately seeking approval from.

    and i’ll say again, which trolls will ignore, the sad fact that closeted white homosexuals are coming on here to spew anger toward “blacks” is pathetic and obvious.

    you hate straights and blacks. congratulations. what an empowered man you must be.

    now move along, troll. you bore me.

  12. says

    LOOK AT HIS PICTURE. That angry, cruel, vicious face. The phrase, “A picture speaks a thousand words” rings true with this nutter. The grimacing, the down-turned mouth. It’s all there. A man filled with so much cruel, hateful thoughts that it manifests itself in his physical form. Oh God we are living in such a sick, twisted, upside-down world. It’s very disturbing.

  13. Manotaur says

    LittleKiwi – you are such a sad, little cliche of what’s wrong with the far left: the conceit that only liberals care and care correctly. Step outside your cave. There’s a big, wonderful and complicated world out there, and it is not painted in just 2 colors. Love, a moderate independent.

  14. Manotaur says

    And this is fatuous garbage: “Even Gay Republicans are so p*ssy-whipped by the prejudices of htie Chosen Allies that they don’t have the balls to actually promote, champion, or advocate for actual LGBT Equality.”

    It must be a very comfortable, myopic world you have created for yourself.

  15. says

    only in the USA would I be labeled “far-left”. back in Canada I’m considered a centrist.

    it is a very comfortable world i live in. im openly gay and stand up for what’s right. comfort comes when you don’t have the weight of sacks of bull s**t on your shoulders 😀

    prove that what i said is “fatuous garbage” – show me the specific pro-Equality work that you and your chosen “independent” allies are doing.

    i call your bluff. so prove me wrong.

  16. Ricco says

    H8STR8S . . . that is the “inference” I got from THINKING ABOUT IT’s post when he said that NONE of Derbyshire’s points were wrong . . . the inference being that racism has been as tough on Whites as it has blacks.

    You people are on here talking about Black neighborhoods that are unsafe for Whites.

    Derbyshire did not just mention the obvious, dangerous Black neighborhoods (and it must be stated here that many Black teens have been murdered by Whites in their neighborhoods . . . so the turf stuff goes both ways) that it would be ill-advised to go into when you are white, but he also said “beaches and amusement parks frequented by blacks, concerts and other events frequented by blacks, and to depart public events at which large numbers of black people show up.”

    I lived in Chicago and knew the dangers as a white man of going to the South Side, particularly after dark, but did just that for eight weeks when I attended a truck driving school on the South Side, and took the El there from Uptown in the early morning, and back after sundown.

    We all know there are places that one ought to avoid, whatever ones color of skin, or if one is gay.

    And as for those prop 8 returns H8STR8TS . . . a larger number of those returns reflected white homophobic voters than Black Homophobic voters . . . and you cannot have forgotten that it was the Mormon church that financed Prop 8.

    Comprising only 5% of the Mormon church membership how many Black people do you think are Mormons? And up until 1978 Blacks were not allowed to hold leadership positions in the Mormon church . . . so lets not pretend that the bulk of people who voted for Prop 8 were Blacks.

    There are a lot of homophobic Blacks . . . but a whole lot more homophobic whites.

    But I have to say that it is quite off point to bring up Prop 8, and dangerous neighborhoods when the conversation was generated by a racist’s rant that speciously compared the concerns of racism a White practicing racist parent would feel with the concerns of racism Black parents feel.

  17. says

    Ricco, you just cast pearls before a pitiful creature that i cannot even label “swine”, as pigs are actually intelligent and compassionate animals.

    you can’t reason with a cranky miserable old racist with a handle like “H8STR8S”.

    there’s a reason white conservative homosexuals say “blacks voted for prop 8!” and the reason is this: their white family members voted for it, too. and they don’t want to acknowledge that.

  18. Manotaur says

    “LittleKiwi” – if you are considered a “centrist” in Canada, then I pity your country.

    As far as fatuous garbage, simply look at what you are saying (an analysis of your text): it’s personal invective and hyperbole, for one, and factually in error, for two, in that, didn’t Log Cabin spearhead the lawsuit to repeal DADT? They’re a gay republican org, if I’m not mistaken.

  19. redball says

    the part about IWSBs in particular reads like something out of The Onion.

    (and also reminds me of an article from Stuff White People Like. the entry was called Educated Black People or something like that).

    What a POS DPSW (opposite of IWSB 😉 )

  20. says

    yeah pity Canada. that awful country with LGBT Equality, universal healthcare, lower rates of gun violence and a higher standards of quality of life, literacy levels, education standards and cultural equality.

    i said prove me wrong, “Manotaur” – this is the point where you show the incredible work that you and your fellow Conservative/Independents are doing.

    i called your bluff. this is the part where you grow some balls and show yourself and the work you’re doing with your fellow conservatives.

  21. Brandon K. Thorp says

    To whomever:

    I just wanna put this out there. I’m as gay as gay gets, and in my life I’ve lived in three predominantly white municipalities in Florida (Lakeland, Fort Lauderdale, and the gay ghetto of Wilton Manors) and two “ethnic” neighborhoods in New York City (the predominantly Latin neighborhood of Bushwick, and the very, very black neighborhood of Clinton Hill). Not only are the “ethnic” neighborhoods safer and friendlier than my old white hoods; they are the only places in the above list in which I’ve never been targeted by anti-gay thugs.

    In fact, I’m living in very-black Clinton Hill now, and I don’t intend to move. I’m just one block from the allegedly fearsome neighborhoods of Bedford Stuyvesant and Crown Heights, and I’ve never been happier anywhere. My neighbors are lovely folks, many of whom went out of their ways to make my partner and I feel welcome when we moved in.

    I hope John Derbyshire and his kids have the opportunity to spend time here some day. They’d leave with lots to think about.

    – BKT

  22. says

    Cheers to BKT!

    And I concur – I’m a Brooklynite 6 months of the year. I not only feel safe, I feel welcomed.
    I also came out while i was in highschool, a city school where “white” was in the minority.

    the roadblocks to equality are not “blacks” or non-whites, but bigoted white conservatives who wield power over the gay doormats they call family and friends.

    GOProud’s 2012 agenda has NOTHING about LGBT Equality on it. That’s why republicans dont’ support Equality – Gay republicans don’t have the balls to do it, so why should straight ones?

  23. wtf says

    Kiwi, you know Manotaurd can’t provide you with any evidence to the contrary because none exists. Good luck being a “moderate” here in 2012 America as a gay person. Moderate being the dog-whistle term for “yes, we will put up with the rightwing bullsh!te that there is a valid argument against gays being treated equally under the law”. Whatever. As Kiwi said, a “far leftist” in America is a Centrist in practically any other 1st world country. Get a clue gay republicans and moderates: either support the people who don’t want you dead or silenced or be happy as a house slave. whatever, fools.

  24. elg says

    @H8STR8S
    “Here in Ca., the blacks voted for prop. 8 at 70%.”

    Wasn’t that figure later revised downward to 58%? I’m sure I read that in one of the Daily Kos dairies.

    The 58% figure is definitely too high, and maybe even higher than other racial/ethnic groups in Cali., but it is still SIGNIFICANTLY lower than 70%.

    Andy, that 70% figure appears on this blog too often for you not to know that many of your readers believe this misinformation.
    When are you going to do a post or something explaining the truth about the percentage of blacks who voted for Prop. 8?

  25. Manotaur says

    “LittleKiwi” – I am a moderate independent, so I don’t have any “fellow conservatives.” The fact that you lump an independent in with conservatives is ample proof of your left wing, sorry…centrist bias. All I pointed to was one example that refuted your initial claim, and you yet again prove your conceit by ignoring it. I suspect that nothing shall satisfy your single-minded selfrighteousness, which is the real “sack of bulls**t on your shoulders,” I must point out for others safety.

    Critical thinking is beyond your ability, and for that, you have my utmost pity.

  26. Ricco says

    Thank you, BKT . . . I also grew up in, and later, as an adult, resided in predominately white municipalities, as well all Black neighborhoods, again both as a child and an adult and found more acceptance with my Black neighbors than my white neighbors.

    In 1974 when I joined the military, at least the part of the country I was processed in, and where I was later posted for my permanent party, the enlisted men were also predominately black . . . and yet my fears and concerns as a gay man in the military were much more pronounced around whites than blacks. That may have been because while I got teased by Blacks for not having a girlfriend . . . it was the white men in my unit that poked and prodded, and threatened.

    I have also attended Black churches in the south where I practically grew up, and felt ten times more love than when I attended the white church that dis-fellowshipped me two times.

    I cannot imagine Derbyshire ever willingly going to the “very Black Clinton Hill” and even if he did it is doubtful he would leave with much to think about. The experience would no doubt provide him with a harrowing story of the time he escaped a mob of Black people bent on his destruction. But that may be because my imagination is not very good.

    I will say this: I am not one of those people who does not think people can change . . . but they have got to want to change. And sometimes the unexpected happens . . . like Derbyshire’s racist friends and colleagues turning against him. Maybe he will have time to reflect on the self-righteousness of others, and may in that reflection to self-reflect on his own self-righteousness and fears.

    You never know.

    Thank you for not only posting the Derbyshire story, but your contribution to the discussion, BKT.

  27. H8Str8s says

    @ELG
    If I am misinformed, I take it back. All of it. I spent my life in conservative white neighborhoods not by choice and fighting for civil rights against the grain. I felt absolutely betrayed when those numbers came out. I listen to Pacifica and they did nothing to dispell this misinformation. I can only go on the info I have. Parenthetically I may add however that the only time I’m ever called a fag is when I’m out on my bike dressed skimpy and some latino yells it at me while driving away in a car. Never up close to my face. I have never been called a faggot or heard the word used in my conservative white neighborhoods.
    I will look for revised numbers on the prop. 8 vote, now I know they exist. If they were true, could you see how I came to the position I arrived at? Do you understand how betrayed I feel after taking lumps for them, to have my right to wed taken away?
    I don’t doubt my own family voted for prop. 8. They are neanderthals none of whom I’ve spoken with in about 20 years. I have no problem admitting this. Why do you think I H8Str8s?
    I don’t doubt there is a lot of homophobia amongst whites that I have not been exposed to. I have been exposed to homophobia from coloured people and maybe that has coloured my viewpoint. Perhaps I have had extraordinary experiences. it is possible.

  28. jack says

    WOW! There are a whole lot of folks posting here who need to get back on their meds. When a hot topic comes up all the knees jerk, Some to the right and some to the left. One thing is obvious: civil discourse goes out the window.

  29. says

    “Manotard” – i called your bluff. this is the point where you show yourself and the incredible pro-Equality work that you and your chosen political allies are doing.

    you don’t need to pity me. i’m not the one unable to put a face to what i say.
    you can provide the URL where you show me the pro-Equality work you and your fellow “moderates” are doing.

    that’ll satisfy me, actually.

    here, i’ll go first:
    http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2011/08/bert-ernie-roommates.html

    prove what you say is true. i can 😀

  30. says

    the point H8STR8 misses is that his own white family won’t support him as a gay man, and yet he chooses to be more angry at “blacks and latinos”, to whom he’s a complete stranger.

    thank you for proving my point.

  31. H8Str8s says

    @littlekiwi
    You know you can’t do your pro-equality work without famers growing food for you. Those farmers can have gay-equality without people like you. Everybody makes life choices and we all must be doing different things for society to work. Whether or not everyone would like to do pro-equality work, it is a fact not everyone can. Can you accept people do little things every day in small ways to improve equality? Even I would try to be a good representative for the gay community if I had to interact with a straight person. That is pro-equality work of a very subtle nature. Some people do pro-equality work by being out at work and doing their job conscientously. Being perceived as a hard-working “moral” gay person is pro-equality work.
    O.K., you have been able to swing your life in such a way you do highly visible pro-equality work. Congratulations in your life choices. Can’t you see not everyone is in a position to do the same? You cheapen the work you do by using it as a social weapon. Are you even sincere or do you just want to be able to lord it over other gay people?
    Why don’t you stop demanding everybody be exactly like you?

  32. Ricco says

    H8STR8TS . . . Most of us . . .No, I will speak for myself . . . that I have been through a lot as a gay man, in the military, in the White south, fundamentalist Christians, a large family that loved me until I told them I was gay.

    I could be brutally murdered and my family would not see justice for my death the way Trayvon’s family is seeking justice for him. They would only say that that’s what comes from living the life-style I lived.

    Of course, they do not understand that my style of life is downright boring, as boring, hopefully more loving, than their own.

    When I decided to become a Christian, I was a new creature in Christ, and that all that was old passed away . . . yet the pastor of the church I attended, and the elders, told all the young single guys that I was gay, so they felt awkward around me.

    I have members in my Christian family that think gays should be denied homes, jobs, and health insurance.

    These experiences made me bitter toward Christian’s and toward straights. One of the things that turned me around on straights, and balanced (just a tiny bit) my attitudes about Christians was how badly I was treated by gays because I had questions about faith and my orientation.

    Intolerance is all around us. You can be bitter, and a hater, but know this . . . it is your decision. You are making the choice.

  33. H8Str8s says

    @littlekiwi
    my handle is h8str8s, not h8blacksandlatinos. I hate my own family more than I hate any other group. I don’t know why you think I hate blacks and latinos. I feer them as homophobes and feel betrayed. I will do no more civil rights work until I have my rights back and I will not then, if they had nothing to do with restoring them. They hurt me after I helped them. I don’t see why I should help them anymore. But I don’t advocate stomping them. I advocate stomping my family.

  34. H8Str8s says

    @ricco
    I don’t believe in freewill either. My choices are a direct result of my genetic make-up and my life experiences. I could no more make another choice than I could levitate. The concept of freewill does violence to science. I worship knowledge, not the great sky genie.

  35. Michael says

    Regarding The Talk… Do these black parents tell their sons to not commit crimes and to not break the law? I walked in in my roommate watching a basketball documentary and all the black guys were saying they would steal and do whatever it takes to make money. Of course getting a job never crossed their minds nor their lips.

  36. Donny says

    I am white, gay, extremely liberal and live in a predominantly black neighborhood in a major city. It is known as the ghetto. I do not consider myself a racist and I don’t know who this man is but most of what he said is accurate. I have observed many of the same traits and behaviors he described.

    Am I a racist if I say black people litter constantly? Since I see them doing it on a near daily basis, I don’t think so. It’s a fact in my mind and I pick up their trash so my neighborhood will remain relatively clean. Do white people litter? I’m sure they do but I have not witnessed it.

  37. redball says

    @michael: of course they do. The Talk is simply the black american survival strategies that black parents teach their children ON TOP OF the normal stuff that EVERY parent teaches their child.

  38. H8Str8s says

    @Donny
    Yes, in fact, littlekiwi is going to call you a racist for pointing out the truth. He calls me a bigot because I have the temerity to point out that the majority of blacks and latinos voted for prop. 8 in Ca. and the minority of whites did. It is a fact that all the various sets of statistics show. Yes, some show a greater and some show a lesser majority. But it is a majority.

  39. says

    I’ll call all your bluffs. Bet you can’t put a face to your comments. Folks sure are proud of their “opinions” – until visibility comes into play….

    “I see blacks littering”

    and i see whites looking for things to complain about blacks about because they can’t point to the positive work they and their own white families are doing in the world.

    but hey, i’m always open to be being proven wrong. so prove it.

  40. anon says

    Boy, where they quick to pounce! I wonder why they decided to publish in the first place. Derbyshire’s been around forever. This reminds me of the ‘talk’ that mothers give their kids to not talk to strangers and the even stronger ‘talk’ mothers give their kids if they know a gay man lives in the neighborhood. If you are a gay man you should know not to approach any child you don’t have a relationship with already for any reason, even to help them.

  41. H8Str8s says

    I don’t know anything about this Derbyshire individual and I don’t particularly care that he is fired. He’s presumably straight. I haven’t been defending him. If you read my posts carefully, I have only stated that I am afraid of blacks and latinos because they are homophobic. I have never had the need to go into a coloured neighborhood, but I know they are dangerous for whites – by the admission of the people who live there, at least in the Bayview/hunters point. They state proudly that they will not let a white who enters their neighborhood to leave alive. That comes from their mouths. That is their statement. Is anybody actually saying there is no such danger? I am not saying whites aren’t on average very bigoted. I am saying there is a real danger for whites who wander into their neighborhoods and that they are homophobic. The best defense I have seen about their homophobia here is that they vote 58% not 70% to take away my civil rights. That is just saying the majority was smaller than I thought. Nobody here has claimed the majority of blacks aren’t homophobic – instead they white bash. I don’t get how whites being bad makes blacks good. How does that work? I have not said they are racially inferior and the above article implies but does not repeat his arguments that blacks are racially inferior. I don’t believe they are racially inferior. I believe they are culturally inferior in that their culture is extremely homophobic/religious.

  42. Michael says

    I don’t think anyone is really implying a race or segment is inferior to another. Being able to point out certain traitss of one group makes you able to pinpoint certain situations and size them up.

    If you want to call me racist you should also include sexist, homophobic, heterophobic, antisemitic and any other term you can come up with. Yes, gay men are bitchy, women are whiny, Jews are cheap, men are dumb, yadda, yadda, yadda. Doesn’t mean we all don’t make the world go around any faster than another.

  43. Sasaf Cakes says

    The Trayvon Martin case has COMPLETELY been blown out of proportion and it’s really horrible to see how we have a double standard in this country. Reverse racism is just as present today and the way this story has been handled perfectly shows that.

  44. Truth says

    Trayvon was painted by the media as some sweet, angelic biy with all the manipulative childhood photos CNN, and MSNBC kept showcasing from 12 years ago. How much more calculating could the media be? It was terrible, and proof positive that today society is out to get ‘the white man’ and constantly clear the name of others.

  45. PleasurechestTim says

    It’s amazing to me that in this case, people (the black community and liberal white guilt, caucasians) decided what happened in this story, convicted a man, then made Trayven into a defenseless victim.

    Yet in every story involving an accused black individual ALL you hear from the black community is “innoncent until proven guilty! don’t judge this black man convicted of the crime. He hasn’t been charged yet”

    Double standard much?

  46. Football-Frvr says

    I’m as liberal as it gets but guess what? behind every stereotype hints a bit of truth and within black culture there is a higher level of inappropriate behavior. Every single area in the country that is predominantely black has a higher crime rate and is not pleasent to live. that’s not by coincidence and reporting the crime rates of those areas is not a racist tactic, it’s facts.

    Instead of black people blaming every one else for the behavior of some within their community, maybe they out to go inward and see facts for what they really are instead of playing the blame game. Truth hurts, and sometimes you have to confront to truth to better your experience. If everyone observes it, that doesn’t make all of them eveil, it just makes them observant of reality, and you delusional to it.

  47. says

    for those who can’t tell, the last number of blatantly-pathetic and racist posts were by the same pathetic troll.

    if i’m wrong, then they can provide the URL’s to their own pages, to prove that they’re “white liberals” (Hint: they’re. it’s the same white conservative closeted homosexual who’s always trolling this site)

    so, no.
    and just because you’ve changed your name to various other handles to post the same racist tripe doesn’t change a damn thing, you coward.

    a teen was being followed by an adult. an adult who was older, taller and over 100lbs heavier. and was armed with a gun. the police told the man to stay inside. he ignored that. he pursued trayvon. trayvon ran. zimmerman still pursued.

    “stand your ground”? does that not apply to the unarmed teenager who was being followed by an unknown older bigger man? does Trayvon not get to “stand his ground” against a grown man who stalks and then approaches him?

    “innocent until proven guilty”??? have you not heard Zimmerman on the tapes? HE decided Trayvon was guilty. ZImmerman decided that Trayvon was a criminal, and every intelligent person knows why.

    Zimmerman convicted Trayvon. “They always get away…” he says on the tape. “f-ing c**n” he calls him. And then he murdered him.
    And you changing your screen name like a coward so you can post your racist nonsense doesn’t change the facts.

    that your racist self has to post anonymously only proves me right. you’re a bigoted little coward with capers for testes. thanks for sharing.

  48. H8Str8s says

    @littlekiwi
    Respiridone is good for paranoia. I suggest you talk to a doctor about trying it as soon as you can, because you’ve got a problem.

  49. says

    decades after the fact, it was revealed that the whole SYBIL story was a complete hoax. perhaps you didn’t get the memo.
    having a billion fake personalities doesn’t make you interesting, nor sane.

    do your best sylvia plath and kiss the back of an oven.

  50. H8Str8s says

    @littlekiwi
    You are not going to believe this any more than I believe you have done any of the “good works” you claim. You protest too much to be for real. I have only used this one handle. This would be a dumb handle if I were insincere. Don’t trolls try to appear normal? what is normal about H8STR8S? Not much of a troll diguise, is it? Are you so delusional you can’t believe there is more than one person who disagrees with you or that that person can be gay? You aren’t for real are you? You are the troll. You never have any argument, you can only call names and question masculinity. You are funny. And sad.

  51. Lanatice says

    Absolutely, positively am NOT defending Derb; his posting is sick. But are you being truthful when you write that his NR colleagues, in their WRITTEN opinions, agree with “most, if not all” of derbyshire’s comments. Pray tell. Exactly what did YOUR persual of the Nr and Nro archives produce in the way of confirming evidence for this broad and damning claims? Names please, or were you just making this up?

  52. Ricco says

    @ DONNY writes: “Am I a racist if I say black people litter constantly? Since I see them doing it on a near daily basis . . . ?”

    No, Donny, you are not a racist, you are isolated, as a finite being on the far opposing end of the spectrum of omnipresence, living, according to you, in a predominately Black neighborhood.

    I have lived in all white neighborhoods that were littered with five broke cars, in various stages of decay, untrimmed bushes, grass as tall as weeds, toys, clothes, and trash liberally littering not just the front lawn but circumventing the house.

    What many people fail to realize when they see people living under these conditions is that they are seeing despondency, not a cultural sign post.

    And what people never do is ask themselves what brings a people to a level of despondency that they cease to see the benefit of maintaining their homes, their neighborhoods, and their own persons?

    And because the circumstances that bring people to a place of profound despondency has gone on so very long, long before you and I were born, the behavior, which is only a sign of despondency, appears as culturally innate.

    So maybe many of you by pointing out the anti-social and negative behavior of Blacks in your neighborhoods are not being racist, but as you say are only reporting what you have seen . . . but again cannot be deemed culturally relevant when you consider how small your little corner of the world is.

    And while not, as I said necessarily racist, to report what you have seen, does, nevertheless, teeter on racism when you attach too much relevance to so limited an exposure to a much larger group of people.

    Essentially that is what racism is: characterizing or defining an entire group of people by a handful of people from that group.

    Many of you have said that you know that not all Blacks litter, or engage in anti-social and violent behavior, yet it is those characteristics that you CHOOSE to focus your attention . . . so again, puts you in danger of racist attitudes.

    The media, as some of you have said, may have attempted to manipulate its readership/viewership by showing older pictures, to gain our sympathies.

    Perhaps they did it because they knew that many people looking at a picture of a young Black male, tall, and healthy, would, despite the facts that we DO know concerning the confrontation between Zimmerman and Trayvon, conclude that Trayvon must have done something.

    Which is, of course, what many of you have done anyway.

    Trayvon was a typical teen, who gets into a little trouble as he tries to figure out his place in the world, and people want to make out some justification for his death on that basis . . . certainly not something that people would do when it comes white teens.

    Let us not forget poor little Brandon McInerney who was forced to execute a Black teen for having a crush on him . . . and got a mere slap on the hand.

    Trayvon Martin could have been a hardened criminal, which he was not, with a rap sheet longer than my arm, which he did not, and that would not change the fact that he only went to the 7-11 to buy skittles for his little brother, and an iced tea for himself, and he is dead because an over zealous, wanna-be-cop, disobeyed a police dispatcher and followed him anyway.

    We only have George Zimmerman’s side of the story of what happened after he disobeyed the police dispatcher . . . but the fact that there is a law that makes it possible for someone to murder someone, and simply claim self-defense, that he was only standing his ground, is ludicrous . . . horrifying, actually.

    Perhaps, not so horrifying to many of you who think it is just a Black teen, who is not as innocent as the media made him out to be, but certainly horrifying to anyone who loses someone they cherish in so senseless a manner.

    At the very least, Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter. Even if everything happened exactly as he said, it would not have happened had he obeyed the police. To ignore that one central fact, to not care that a young man is dead as a result is racist . .. because these are not the conclusions that would be drawn had Trayvon been Brandon . . . and especially if George Zimmerman was Tyrone.

    An over zealous Tyrone would have been arrested. How do we know that that would be the case? We know, just like you know that Blacks litter in your neighborhoods . . . because we have seen that is how cops behave toward Blacks.

  53. Ricco says

    @H8STR8TS . . . I am not about to argue the finer theological points of freewill with a man who claims not to believe in freewill, whose choices, according to him, “are a direct result of his genetic make-up and life experiences . . . ” the latter part being more about “nurture vs. nature” than the theology of free, who “. . . worships knowledge, and not the great sky genie.”

    While I can quite appreciate your reluctance to worship a Genie, God, or whatever moniker you choose to ascribe to the being we are here discussing, I do not understand why you (or anyone) would worship knowledge seeing that of all that is known and not known by man, you can retain but a very-very small portion of that knowledge, which, unless you, yourself conducted the research and observed the results cannot have come honestly by that even the little that you know all on your own, but accepted what you say you know purely by faith in others who actually did the research, and observed the resulting data . .

    But never mind all that.

    My question to you is if you can no more, as you say, make another choice, or choices, than the ones you’ve made than you could levitate, how then can you expect Little Kiwi to be other than who he is?

    It is apparent in your arguments with Little Kiwi that you feel he could make other choices.

    So not only am I questioning the veracity of your position on the theology of free will, but I pose to you the tenuous dependence on what you think you know as it is sure to conflict with what Little Kiwi and others think they know.

    I have learned at least this much from your postings (which, whether or not I agree, found to be courteous, and somewhat restrained, howbeit a bit frustrated) that whatever your theological leanings concerning freewill, you do believe we are free enough to make some choices . . .

  54. jack says

    Manotaur: I am a lifelong liberal democrat and recognize that you centrists/independents often decide election outcomes. So be it. However, I encourage you to listen to the rational voices on the left before casting your vote in November. Please ignore the hysterical rants of extremists like “Littlekiwi”, he is a foreigner who thinks he understands America. Which he clearly does not.

  55. says

    RICCO, i just fell a little bit more in love with you.
    thank you for that.

    it’ amazing that we sit here reading these comments, and all i can think of is that line from A Time to Kill: “now picture that she’s white”

    it’s amazing that to people still living in this country, you can’t find sympathy or compassion for someone if they’re not the same colour as you.

  56. H8Str8s says

    @ricco
    I understand your confusion about freewill. The illusion of freewill is very convincing. I make choices just as littlekiwi does. I just am not free to make any choice. The choice I make is predetermined. I am giving and getting life experiences all the time. I can’t help argueing, because I have no freewill, and littlkiwi can’t help insulting people and being holier-than-thou with his mocked up supposed ‘pro equality work’ which nobody has ever seen or heard of.

  57. antisaint says

    I’d just like to mention briefly that everyone getting up in arms about what percentage of black people voted against marriage equality in California seem to repeatedly overlook the fact that less than 7% of the population in that state is black. That’s not a scale-tipping number by any stretch of the imagination.

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