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A Former Chaplain Explains Where Gay Animals Come From: VIDEO


This was on The David Pakman Show, where Pakman queried ex-Navy chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt and full-time godnut on the habits and provenance of homosexuals. The following dialogue was helpfully transcribed by Raw Story's Stephen C. Webster:

“Let’s step back for a second, Gordon, and say okay, let’s assume you’re right that homosexuality among humans is only because of marketing,” Pakman countered. “What about in the 4,000 other species that have homosexuality? Because, as far as I know, they don’t have TV. They don’t have advertising. They don’t have the iTunes store to recruit people. How is it that humans are gay sometimes because of marketing, but 4,000 other species… Why? Is it something else?”

“It is entirely possible — we know from the Bible, for example, when Jesus cast the devil out of Legion, he went into a herd of pigs,” Klingenschmitt said. “So, it is possible for demons or the devil to inhabit or invade animals just the same way they invade humans, and that causes the sin of lust.”

“So, what you’re saying is, in humans it’s marketing that makes people gay; in animals, it’s the souls of gay humans who have invaded the animals,” Pacman replied. “That makes them gay?”

Klingenschmitt laughed and scratched his temple. “Well, I think you twisted what I’m saying there,” he said.

Klingenschmitt has many more interesting theories to share -- including a neat rehashing of the Anita Bryant line about gay "recruitment," made scientific-sounding by the invocation of "biology" and "Mendelian genetics" -- with which you may acquaint yourself AFTER THE JUMP ...


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  1. I think you mean "disgraced ex-Navy chaplain"

    Posted by: Karl | May 19, 2012 9:10:58 AM

  2. I don't understand why people give idiots like this chaplain a platform to preach their message. The should be coldly ignored, perhaps spit on a few times. That's it.

    Posted by: Jason 2 | May 19, 2012 9:27:48 AM

  3. Call me old fashioned, but I believe my Constitution says I don't have to live by your religious dogma.

    Posted by: Gus | May 19, 2012 9:33:57 AM

  4. This guy is a paranoid religious fanatic. Pakman is so much more intelligent and rational than Klingenschmitt. Klingenschmitt was a lost soul as an orphan, a lonely little boy, and then became a Christian fanatic by being indoctrinated by his adopting parents who changed his life, taught him their ideas and saved him from loneliness. In his form of argument, he himself was a child who was recruited into a lifestyle.

    Posted by: trees | May 19, 2012 9:38:06 AM

  5. Klingonshit is highly mentally ill. He is on record as having performed an exorcism on a lesbian who had been raped and laughing at her when she cried.

    Posted by: Steve | May 19, 2012 10:00:24 AM

  6. My head just exploded.

    Posted by: Steve | May 19, 2012 10:28:17 AM

  7. It must be so satisfying to declare "Praise the Lord!" when you like something and "Satan did it" when you don't? Not actually thinking saves a lot of time!

    Posted by: Dan McLellan | May 19, 2012 10:29:40 AM

  8. Why would I want to acquiant myself with this man and his bizarre ideas?

    It's interesting to me that 25 years ago, talk show hosts would invite gay guests on to talke about gay rights, and that was "radical and provocative" and helped gain viewers. Now, to accomplish the same thing, they have to invite people like this fool. That he gets any platform at all may indicate how times have changed.

    I like Towleroad but do not think it is necessary to highlight every temporary celebrity who says something anti-gay.

    Posted by: james | May 19, 2012 10:30:01 AM

  9. Last night on Bill Maher's Late Night, one of his guests asked a question that is my new favorite quote. "why does America double down on dumb?" This do aptly describes the conservatives in this country. When faced with facts, science, reason...instead of learning, instead of growing and expanding and expelling ignorance, they double down on dumb.

    Posted by: Michaelandfred | May 19, 2012 10:34:34 AM

  10. Somebody should tell the ex-chaplain that it wasn't the human who was named Legion, but rather it was the name of the demon(s).

    Posted by: KEVIN | May 19, 2012 10:56:11 AM

  11. But the Pigs drowned themselves after being possessed by the demons. So his statement is flawed. Cause if same sex in animals is caused by demons then the animals would kill themselves instead of humping each other.

    Posted by: Lazycrockett | May 19, 2012 10:58:09 AM

  12. I found the study on the Internet and it is absolutely without a doubt accurate and proven science.


    I read on the Internet that religion was created by man to manage and control the masses and wealth and was not ordained by any god. It also said the bible was a book of fairytales. I even saw a youtube video that backed up this way of thinking.

    Case in point.

    Posted by: Dale | May 19, 2012 11:42:18 AM

  13. Many christians are glad of their ignorance seeing it as proof of their adherence to the will of god. It is a badge they wear proudly.

    Posted by: StevyD | May 19, 2012 12:10:07 PM

  14. He should simply answer the question -When did you choose to be straight ?

    Posted by: paul | May 19, 2012 12:35:06 PM

  15. This is just too divinely stupid isn't it? As seen here Christianity is a kind of mad swine disease that causes people to stumble around unsteadily until they fall down in their own crap and have to be put out of their misery.

    And Pakman, by the way, did twist the chaplin's twists all around to make them even more ridiculous. Might as well I suppose.

    Posted by: UFFDA | May 19, 2012 12:45:57 PM

  16. interesting little theories he's got there. I wonder what they'd say about them at a real seminary instead of at the sh/t-h0le bible colleges people like him get into.

    Posted by: DannyEastVillage | May 19, 2012 2:17:08 PM

  17. Thanks for posting about my interview with the former chaplain

    Posted by: David Pakman | May 19, 2012 2:46:59 PM

  18. David is extremely talented and has a knack for conducting these interviews with difficult people. When he does these interviews, the show shines. He needs to focus more on work like this and less on the aimless banter b/t him and his engineer/co-host, Lewis. The show devolves into a late night college bull session.

    David, get a co-host who is really sharp and up on all the issues, cut down on the idle banter, and do more interview segments and the show will take off.

    Posted by: Timothy | May 19, 2012 4:03:33 PM

  19. gay ducks are gay because they were molested by male geese.

    and gay lions are gay because they had overbearing mothers and absentee fathers.

    Posted by: LittleKiwi | May 19, 2012 4:13:30 PM

  20. Every time I hear someone claim that Mendelian genetics somehow proves being gay cannot be an innate trait (or someone who claims that the second law of thermodynamics disproves evolution), I'm reminded of the fools in Shakespeare -- using words that sound right without any idea how hilariously idiotic their statements are to those who know what the words mean.

    Does Klingenschmitt bother to think at all? If his Mendelian genetics argument had any validity, there could be no genetic traits that render anyone infertile. Utterly asinine.

    Posted by: Patrick | May 19, 2012 4:45:33 PM

  21. Several things separate us from lower animals, among them are the ablity to decern between right and wrong and acceptable and non acceptable. Another thing is that lower animals do not have the brain capacity to override their primitive instincts. Perhaps you homosexuals would rather be considered throwbacks to a more primitive form of human, that would be something that would explain much of your behaviours.

    We're Here We're Not Queer Get Used To It!

    Posted by: Michael Lederman | May 19, 2012 5:48:59 PM

  22. Undear Michael Lederman,
    Please take cyanide or some other painful and prolonged method to drop dead. You are a coward as well as an arrogant member of a majority by simply the luck of the draw. From all of your circumstantial privilege, the best you can come up with is that teenage screed? Stop breathing the precious air that the rest of us humans need to survive the abject stupidity you so drunkenly espouse as if you had a sober brain cell to call upon. How many fag-bashings, execution of gays for merely being gay, children beaten to a bloody pulp simply because they might appear gay, just how many empirical VOLUMES of death and subjugation of gay people does any one straight person need in order for them to discover their own human empathetic heart? You, Mikey Lederman, if indeed that is your real name, you miscreant, have no empathy, have no heart, and have no excuse for it considering your chosen moniker most likely resides in a first world country. You are the kind of aberration for which I wish suicide would become fashionable in your circles. Groupthink is evidently something to which you adhere wholeheartedly. Please, please, please set a trend amongst your fellow Neanderthals and relish the idea of self-immolation as the penultimate objection to the recorded-history-long contribution of homosexuals to human civilization, please? I’ll send you the gasoline and matches free of charge if you become brave enough to put something on the line besides mere hateful verbal sentiments.

    Posted by: Tom Cardellino | May 19, 2012 7:46:14 PM

  23. Can you just imagine that some people say religion is bat s**t crazy?

    Posted by: andrew | May 19, 2012 9:22:03 PM

  24. David Pakman is amazing (and adorable). I wish he was gay!

    Posted by: Q | May 19, 2012 9:29:11 PM

  25. @Michael Lederman and Gordon Klingenschmitt,

    Male lions are renowned for homoerotic behavior. Check the subject out on YouTube. You'll be forced to admit that lions always have the edge on fundamentalist Jesus worshipers like you. The score in the Colosseum is the same as it ever was anywhere else:

    Lions 10; Christians 0

    Posted by: Artie_in_Lauderdale | May 20, 2012 12:06:17 AM

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