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Dan Savage Compares GOProud Gays to Meth Addicts for 'Damaged, Self-Loathing' Romney Endorsement

Dan Savage, who got some attention last week for tweeting "The GOP's house faggots grab their ankles, right on cue. Pathetic." after conservative gay group GOProud endorsed Mitt Romney for president, hasn't finished that thought.

SavageHe's been thinking about why conservatives would choose to endorse someone who hates them, comparing the self-destructive behavior to substance abuse:

I've been out for a while and I've seen my share of damaged gay dudes destroy themselves. Watching a friend drink himself to death or drug himself to death or f**k himself to death—or all three-at-once himself to death—isn't pretty. And here's something I've noticed about the self-hating, self-destructing gay guys I've known: it wasn't good enough for them to destroy only themselves. They had to destroy other gay men too. Using meth wasn't enough—they wanted their friends to use meth too. Abusing alcohol wasn't enough—they insisted that their friends match them drink-for-drink. And spinning out of control sexually wasn't enough—they wanted their friends to join them down at the bathhouse. (And for the record: having been damaged by hate and homophobia as a child explains but it doesn't excuse self-destructive behaviors in adulthood. You're responsible for the choices you make.)

LasalviaSavage continues:

Anyway, mixing it up with GOProud last week got me thinking about why a gay man would endorse—much less "commit significant resources" to help elect—a man who has pledged, if elected, to do as much harm as he possibly can to gay people. I mean, what kind of faggot supports a politician who would do him harm?

Oh, right: the same kind of faggot who would harm himself with drugs or alcohol or sex. The kind of gay men who don't like themselves or other gay people much. But while most self-loathing, self-destructive gay men are content to abuse booze, drugs, or dick, the self-hating GOProud boys abuse themselves with politics. And just like gay meth addicts who aren't satisfied harming only themselves, the boys at GOProud aren't satisfied harming only themselves. They want to harm other gay people—they want to harm all gay people—by getting Mitt Romney elected. And just like your meth-addicted friend who pushed the drug on you, or your drunk friend who mocked you for stopping at four, or your sexually out-of-control friend who insisted that you were a prude if you didn't play the come dump with him down at the bathhouse, the GOProud boys want you to abuse yourself the same way that they're abusing themselves. They want you to vote for Mitt Romney for the same reason your meth-addicted pal wanted you to use that stupid drug.

Because they're damaged.

Read Savage's full post, and Twitter responses from GOProud's Chris Barron, HERE.

MustoThe Village Voice's Michael Musto has also been mixing it up with GOProud over the issue. Musto called the group "a bunch of Jewish Nazis. Black Klan members! Women who campaign for Rush Limbaugh! Mexican Republicans! Roaches who moonlight as exterminators!"

I always thought that any gay who backs a candidate that doesn't support equal rights must have some very scary death wish. It's self-defeating and downright creepy!

GOProud's silly retort to Musto?

It caused a firestorm of response, both pro and con, and led to this official response from the group's executive director, Jimmy LaSalvia:

"Have you seen Michael Musto lately? We aren't going to take serious political advice from a human Muppet. Musto should stick to writing gossip pieces about Lindsay Lohan and leave politics to the professionals."

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  1. I agree with Dan's analysis, as always. I would have preferred he not use the F word but I get what he is saying. Perhaps he's going change the meaning of the F word to be "self loathing gay man who abuses himself physically or politically". I get it. Perhaps the issue would not be getting so much attention if he had't used the F word.

    Posted by: Ted | Jun 26, 2012 10:29:29 AM


  2. GoProud's twitter feed is hilarious though.

    Posted by: OXD_Josh | Jun 26, 2012 10:33:07 AM


  3. I actually think Dan is right but Cenk Uygur put in much more simple terms....i think the reason they want to vote for Romney is that they are simply greedy. They care more about money than anything, or anyone else. In some stupid way do you think that they think that voting right wing makes you seem straight acting as well ? That could have something to do with it....they would rather vote for a party who hate women, want to start more wars, and want to keep the rich rich, and make everyone else suffer ?

    Posted by: paul | Jun 26, 2012 10:33:35 AM


  4. Dan and Michael are only 100% correct.

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Jun 26, 2012 10:34:03 AM


  5. A thoroughly cogent analysis. Gay Republicans are moronic and oxymoronic, self-hating, greedy scumbags one and all.

    Posted by: Wavin' Dave | Jun 26, 2012 10:36:54 AM


  6. Yes, they're 100% correct, but I think Dan screwed up his argument. He should've defended his use of the word "faggot" by saying that if you are so self-hating that you vote for somebody (or a party) that hates you, you deserve to be called a "faggot," an epithet derived from sanctioned murder. Instead, he just flings the word out there for shock value without any context.

    Posted by: Joseph | Jun 26, 2012 10:41:49 AM


  7. He's entitled to his opinion but that rant could have been shortened to a couple sentences.

    Posted by: LJC | Jun 26, 2012 10:46:59 AM


  8. "They want you to vote for Mitt Romney for the same reason your meth-addicted pal wanted you to use that stupid drug."

    Seems to me that they don't want you to vote for Mittens, but they will to show you that they are somehow "going against the grain." Which is not, being that half the country votes GOP on any given day. GOProud is just being pretentious and merely posturing and projecting.

    But analyzing this objectively I think Savage is not being that smart (especially using homophobic slurs) since his analogy can be used against liberals who support Obama as well, but instead of meth it would more like pot abuse, just another addiction with a different drug.

    I just want gays to think for themselves and not pander to the usual left/right WWE drama. I think most of us are smarter than that.

    Posted by: Jose S | Jun 26, 2012 10:47:36 AM


  9. I like Dan's style, dirty words and all.

    Another reason they (the faggots) do this is because you have to if you want to stay in the right country clubs. When Mumsie and Daddy worked so hard to get that membership it would be downright ungrateful to put it at risk. Better to indulge is some self loathing and swallow your eggs benedict with fresh squeezed humiliation. Yes, those are on the menus at the "right" clubs.

    Posted by: Savage Lover | Jun 26, 2012 10:49:16 AM


  10. If you pay close attention to the context, he only uses gay slurs to describe people engaging in extremely destructive behaviors. I think he's making a point in doing so.

    Posted by: endo | Jun 26, 2012 10:56:08 AM


  11. I actually think Dan is right but Cenk Uygur put in much more simple terms....i think the reason they want to vote for Romney is that they are simply greedy.

    -PAUL

    Paul, I think you and Cenk are essentially correct. The GOProuders are greedy, and quite a few of them are racist. I've seen that personally from a few of their "leaders" here - along with their LCR cohorts.

    Calling them Jewish Nazis is a bit much, but I would put them on the same moral ground as the Vichy French.

    http://hankdrake.blogspot.com/2012/06/romney-tonal-moderate-political.html

    Posted by: Hank | Jun 26, 2012 10:56:32 AM


  12. Along with self loathing, the gay Republicans that I've known have also carried a noticeable disdain for the type of people that make up the Democratic coalition, especially minorities.

    Posted by: Joe Lacey | Jun 26, 2012 11:05:11 AM


  13. Dan Savage is a walking, talking symbol of why gay people are so disliked by the general society. Crude, foul-mouthed, bitchy, hateful, resentful, vindictive.....and living in an imaginary world of his own making.

    What do you expect of someone who became known for writing a sex-advice column that consisted of nothing but.....well, crude, foul-mouthed imagery? A perfect advertisement for the prevailing image of gay men as promiscuous, disease-ridden sleazebags.

    Earth to Dan: The gay youth who are committing suicide are the ones you have "touched" with your "It Gets Better" BS--quite a few of them have even made their own "It Gets Better" videos before taking their own lives......no doubt because they look at people like you and think you are what gay looks like and therefore lose any will to leave, realizing that if they follow your path, they will never be part of mainstream society.

    You need a bath.

    Posted by: Rick | Jun 26, 2012 11:05:52 AM


  14. Don't feed the troll.

    Posted by: endo | Jun 26, 2012 11:10:22 AM


  15. He is doing his best Technoviking impression in the first picture

    Posted by: Steve | Jun 26, 2012 11:14:31 AM


  16. @ Rick

    Dan Savage's sex advice column is actually well researched well written to the population he is addressing and frequently cites evidence based research.

    As for the suicides, if you read Malcolm Gladwells Tipping Point there is a very well written explanation of suicide epidemics.

    Posted by: rayrayj | Jun 26, 2012 11:18:04 AM


  17. "Crude, foul-mouthed, bitchy, hateful, resentful, vindictive.....and living in an imaginary world of his own making"

    IOW "Rick"

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Jun 26, 2012 11:18:29 AM


  18. @JOSEPH, exactly! I typically agree with Dan Savage...but when rhetoric is simply used for shock value without being supported or significant, it negatively impacts the issue. Don't resort to being just like Breitbart/Rush/Beck/Hannity and all the other shock jock flackies!

    Gay conservatives are stupid to vote Republican. There is another option…though there is no chance of it winning. Liberaltarians fight for what most gay conservatives stand for. Support them and show the GOP religious right that they don't own conservative principles and values. Then you wouldn’t be selling out your whole community for the sake of $$$,$$$.

    I'll stick with the liberals and middle-of-the-road Obama, like all the rest of the smart population. ;^)

    Posted by: DRG | Jun 26, 2012 11:22:27 AM


  19. Well, I don't like it one bit! Obama is a certified idiot. His string of initiatives qualify him on a list of lunatics in Washington who are destroying this country which are far to many to mention. That goes for both sides of the aisle. Anyone who can't listen to this lunatic and reach this conclusion by use of deductive reasoning is beyond hope. Fortunately Obama is is on self-destructive path which will most certainly lead to his defeat, and none too soon.

    Posted by: Johnny | Jun 26, 2012 11:27:47 AM


  20. "I always thought that any gay who backs a candidate that doesn't support equal rights must have some very scary death wish. It's self-defeating and downright creepy!"

    Not that it does any good at all to reason with extremists, but the Clintons and Barack Obama and the majority of Democrats opposed gay rights on some level until very, very recently. And that only changed because people engaged them.

    If nobody engages the Republicans and more conservative-minded people, we will never get past the 50% threshold of support and we will never eradicate homophobia.

    Polarization does not do us any good--trying to build a consensus does and you cannot build such a consenseus if you absolutely refuse to engage those whose minds still have to be changed, but only seek to antagonize them.

    Anyone with a functioning brain should be able to understand this......but I guess if you are a lisping queen like Michael Musto or a T-shirt wearing sleaze like Dan Savage, you know you will never be respected in the social mainstream and therefore don't care about achieving progress--only about showing your a$$ in public and being bitchy.....like the clowns at Pride.

    What did mainstream gays (the majority) ever do to deserve such people?

    Posted by: Rick | Jun 26, 2012 11:34:57 AM


  21. He's just trying to bait you. Don't fall for it, people.

    Posted by: endo | Jun 26, 2012 11:40:08 AM


  22. I'm not Rick, self loathing, hated by my parents, or a Nazi Jew but I am an employer of 8 employees running a medical practice and I'm voting Romney. Period. Things economically are horrendous and socialism does not work.

    Posted by: MarkUs | Jun 26, 2012 11:42:53 AM


  23. GOP Faggots are really anti-gay Christians who pretend to be gay to get the GOP gay vote. Or these GOP faggots were given ex gay therapy, electric shock treatment while the priest prayed positive statements to them to implant them with the idea they should go GOP, much like they did in the Manchurian Candidate with Frank Sinatra (the old movie) to make an assassin for the Communist. In this case GOP faggots make trouble for real LGBT people. That is what the anti-gay Christian Right Wing supremacist (Nazis) are doing today.

    Posted by: Dave | Jun 26, 2012 11:48:42 AM


  24. Many people join these political groups just to find sex partners. You think ACT UP was only about activism? You think str8 men go to feminist rallies because they like wearing pink? One of the strongest draws for these political groups is the socializing.

    Posted by: anon | Jun 26, 2012 11:51:54 AM


  25. There seems to be a lot of hate out there in gayland. Not pretty and not admirable.

    Posted by: Perry | Jun 26, 2012 11:54:52 AM


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