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  1. Malcolm says

    To be accurate, Osteen does not believe “being” gay is a sin, he thinks having any type of sex out of a monogamous heterosexual marriage is a sin and that gay Christians must live celibate lives to obey God. You may not agree, but that is an important distinction. Further, I don’t think believing that makes one a bigot or an enemy. I have many friends who believe the same, not out of malice, but because they believe the Bible is the perfect Word of God.

  2. says

    Sometimes I wish celebrities would retain an air of mystery. Reading these misspellings and seeing all the uncapitalized letters just bugs me and brings down my view of these people.

  3. Sam Armstrong says

    @Malcolm if they believe the bible is the perfect word of god, why do they spend so much time picking and choosing their way through leviticus? Call me when you beat your slaves and stop eating shrimp.

  4. busytimmy says

    “perfect word of god”? I almost threw up my morning espresso. What a load of crap. Joel Osteen and the rest can take the bible and shove it up his silk bikini brief clad ass while flying around on his private jet. Cher should be embarrassed.

  5. FML says

    “Further, I don’t think believing that makes one a bigot or an enemy. I have many friends who believe the same, not out of malice, but because they believe the Bible is the perfect Word of God.”

    You can believe whatever you want. It’s still bigotry.

  6. Malcolm says

    Sam, as you probably already know, Christians don’t believe they are under Old Testament Law (Leviticus, Deut, Exodus) but under grace through Jesus Christ. The moral laws reflected in the Old Testament are repeated in the New Testament Scripture, therefore, anything replicated as binding in the New Testament is also binding on believers in Christ today, including teaching on sexual morality. For a Christian, the New Testament Law on sexual behavior is authoritative, so it is not just something from the Old Testament.

  7. endo says

    Misspellings, uncapitalized words bring down your opinion of people? But not their open devotion to an all-knowing fairy man who lives in the clouds?

    Ok then.

  8. Glenn says

    Malcolm, who gives a sh!t what bizarre rationalization they use for their bigotry, it’s still bigotry and it’s still hate. People choose their morals and must bear responsibility for it.

  9. patrick says

    Leave Cher alone, she has a right to extoll the virtues of someone occasionally without the wrath of the gays coming down on her head. Let Cher be Cher, she meant no harm – and you all know that.

  10. Glenn says

    Just to add, there are plenty of Christians who do not think that God or the Bible or what have you requires them to be anti-gay. Those who believe otherwise are choosing to believe in that anti-gay version of Christianity. I don’t know why anyone thinks that just because claim their prejudices are “religious” they get a free pass from bearing moral responsibility for them.

  11. Guest says

    So, um, yeah. In case any of you lemmings didn’t know, Cher is basically pandering to you all for money. Her career was as dead as her talent until she decided to start churning out that nauseating dance sh*t that you all lapped up like starving kittens at the milk bowl. It’s not like she actually CARES about you, but you will all believe she does, because it sells more of her music, doesn’t it?

  12. Malcolm says

    Glenn, you are entitled to that view, but I don’t find it reasonable to expect a Christian to eschew or deny the New Testament teachings on sexual behavior. What you are asking is for Christians to cease to be Christians.

  13. Malcolm says

    Glenn, you are entitled to that view, but I don’t find it reasonable to expect a Christian to eschew or deny the New Testament teachings on sexual behavior. What you are asking is for Christians to cease to be Christians.

  14. Walt says

    @Malcolm – Joel Osteen has said numerous times that he thinks being gay is a sin. Also, you can’t say that the Bible is the perfect word of God, and then conveniently claim that you don’t have to adhere to the Old Testament laws. The arrogant hypocrisy of that reasoning is just staggering.

  15. Aliang says

    You to learn to speak Cher language! She meant Christians have a hard time with accepting gays! Not that Christians have a hard time in general. Cut her some slack – ovously she read his book of all that positivity crap and thought that he sounded nice. WE CAN’T EXPECT CHER TO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYONE!

  16. jonathan says

    Why do people who can sing (arguably that includes Cher to some people, ugh) think that means they also have a brain. She should just shut her mouth. She’s an embalmed moron.

  17. VDUFFORD says

    She probably saw the pictures of Osteen’s ripped body in the Enquire or was it TMZ? She’s the got Joely I’m horny thing going on…you know Cher.
    I love her anyhow…still cool!

  18. Tagg says

    Eaxcactly Aliang! Cher said she just read his book and Im sure it was 99.9% uplifting and praise worthy. I love me some Cher but she does live in a bubble so I dont ever get offended by her remarks.

  19. Tom in long beach says

    As noted previously there is more than one way to interpret the New Testament teaching on things.
    First move away from being a fundamentalist. The world is billions of years old. Next do not be anti-history. Michael Woods excellent recent books suggest that perhaps many versions of the bible have been translated with significant bias towards traditions verses what the new testament authors were actually saying. ( That truly loving others is the whole requirement.) What a radical message that is !Many places where there was an admonition not to commit adultery have instead been translated to not be immoral etc…

  20. Rick says

    Hahaha! Nothing more hilarious, in a pathetic sort of way, than to see a bunch of queens have to face the actual truth about one of their “divas”. The rationalizing, the desperate excuses…..

    Cher is a homophobe and always has been. She may have made some “adjustment” on a practical level, as a parent……but that obviously has not changed her core beliefs.

    Like most “divas”, she does not feel any affinity at all for gay men and never has–that is entirely a figment of your imaginations and your sad, twisted desire to live vicariously through women.

  21. bcarter3 says

    “…culminating in an appropriately dramatic ending: Cher threatening to leave Twitter.”

    But only after a 3-year farewell tour and 2 series of come-back tweets.

  22. topdawgbombadil says

    Obv Cher didn’t know the whole history of Osteen. It happens. They don’t carry big signs extolling all of their hatred all of the time. Sometimes they come across as perfectly reasonable. Therein lies the danger.

  23. Ricco says

    I agree with @Malcolm that believing that sex outside a heterosexual marriage, thus gays should remain celibate does not necessarily make one gay.

    I will go even further and and say that one believing, according to their understanding or interpretation of the Bible, that homosexuality is a sin against the will and intent of God, punishable by hellfire eternal also does not necessarily make one a bigot.

    What makes so many who call themselves Christian’s bigots are the following:

    1) an inconsistent application of the Bible, wherein they based on the Bible condemn homosexuals, and work hard to pass legislation inhibiting the civil rights of gays under secular law; but make no effort whatsoever to pass legislation inhibiting the civil rights of heterosexuals who divorce their spouses, commit adultery, or have sex outside of marriage, instead have a million-and-one excuses why all the things they do, things that are even more plainly condemned than homosexuality, many times throughout the New and Old testaments.

    Their self-righteousness in the face of their apparent sins makes of them bigots.

    2) Their seeming delight in the idea that homosexuals are going to hell when the Bible says to love others as you would be loved.

    Love is defined as wishing the best, wanting the best, thinking the best of others. What makes many Christians bigots is that they fail to love gay people.

    The Bible says to love your enemies, to pray for them. We are not their enemies, but not only have many Christians declared, without provocation, us their enemies, they fail to pray for us. Telling us they are going to pray for us as a message that we need said prayers does not count as love, rather as bigotry.

    The Bible says that God has caused the rain to fall on both the wicked and righteous, likewise the sun to shine on both the wicked and the righteous.

    This is called God’s grace, which, according to the Bible, is in effect of every man, woman, and child as long as they abide on the Earth.

    What makes many Christian’s bigots is they would, if they could (they certainly work very hard at it) deny that grace to gays.

    and 3) They have set themselves as our judge, despite a clear commandment NOT to judge

    “Because you who judge, do the same things . . . ” the Bible says.

    That they would exercise a liberty to judge that is clearly not given them . . . that makes them bigots.

    Bigots . . . hypocrites . . . full of hate and bile . . . liars . . . perverters and twisters of their own faith and the word they call the Word of God.

    While Joel Osteen is not the most toxic personality out there, the fact that he preaches an extremely watered-down and ambiguous version of Christianity that requires very-very little culpability in how heterosexuals comport themselves while delivering with (for him) unusual clarity a message condemning homosexuals makes him an even bigger bigot, as there seems precious little substance for the conclusions he draws.

    I love Cher, but really, I thought she knew BS when she saw it.

  24. Caliban says

    Osteen lives like an 18th century King on the proceeds of his “ministry,” which is (except when it comes to gays) a feel-good variation of “prosperity gospel,” which basically says that if you give HIM money then God will reward your “faith” by giving YOU money. If you’re rich it’s because God likes you and if you’re poor God is withholding his blessing from you for same reason.

    Oh yeah, if you squint you can’t tell Joel Osteen and Jesus apart! LOL!

    And the fact remains that anyone who believes the Bible is the inerrant word of God despite its MANY inaccuracies and contradictions is a fool, and that includes the New Testament. At best they focus on the words while entirely missing the spirit of it, and parse the words like lawyers until their interpretation is basically “All the rules that apply to ME are either null and void or minor suggestions, but the rules that apply to YOU are bedrock Biblical truth.” Which is awfully fu*cking convenient, if you ask me.

  25. Oo_Gho_Gho says

    Jesus Christ, the light of the world and the mentor of all Christians repeatedly mentioned in HIS time, that in the last days false doctrines and false prophets shall spring up…. Joel Osteen, knowing the implications of his stand instead choose to proclaim the truth…. For your information, it’s better to please GOD than man… If you hate on him because he said the truth should stop it and have a change of heart… GOD wouldn’t come down and talk to his children, instead he will use people that are ready to be used… His reward is in heaven…. Be thankful to GOD that someone like him is around…

  26. Oo_Gho_Gho says

    Jesus Christ, the light of the world and the mentor of all Christians repeatedly mentioned in HIS time, that in the last days false doctrines and false prophets shall spring up…. Joel Osteen, knowing the implications of his stand instead choose to proclaim the truth…. For your information, it’s better to please GOD than man… If you hate on him because he said the truth should stop it and have a change of heart… GOD wouldn’t come down and talk to his children, instead he will use people that are ready to be used… His reward is in heaven…. Be thankful to GOD that someone like him is around…

  27. Oo_Gho_Gho says

    Jesus Christ, the light of the world and the mentor of all Christians repeatedly mentioned in HIS time, that in the last days false doctrines and false prophets shall spring up…. Joel Osteen, knowing the implications of his stand instead choose to proclaim the truth…. For your information, it’s better to please GOD than man… If you hate on him because he said the truth should stop it and have a change of heart… GOD wouldn’t come down and talk to his children, instead he will use people that are ready to be used… His reward is in heaven…. Be thankful to GOD that someone like him is around…

  28. Oo_Gho_Gho says

    Jesus Christ, the light of the world and the mentor of all Christians repeatedly mentioned in HIS time, that in the last days false doctrines and false prophets shall spring up…. Joel Osteen, knowing the implications of his stand instead choose to proclaim the truth…. For your information, it’s better to please GOD than man… If you hate on him because he said the truth should stop it and have a change of heart… GOD wouldn’t come down and talk to his children, instead he will use people that are ready to be used… His reward is in heaven…. Be thankful to GOD that someone like him is around…

  29. DanSwon says

    What’s all the fuss about? It’s just one person’s barely intelligible twitter ramblings. And to be fair to her, she has always been a loyal ally.

  30. Caliban says

    @Oo_Gho_Gho You know, anti-depressants like Prozac have been shown to reduce obsessive religious thinking, including putting faith in TV charlatans like Osteen who are just using you to get rich.

    You should look into that.

  31. redball says

    so much self-hatred & equivocation in these comments so let me break it down for y’all:

    saying that sex outside of marriage is a sin and then not only REFUSING marriage as a sacrament to same-sex couples but ALSO denouncing and being politically active against gay rights (including marriage)–that IS discriminatory and it is bigotry.

    also, allow me to back up a little bit: saying that sex outside of marriage is a sin is, well, just plain idiocy, as are some of the other edicts from the bible that others have already pointed out above.

  32. Guy says

    “For a Christian, the New Testament Law on sexual behavior is authoritative, so it is not just something from the Old Testament.”

    For a Christian, Christ’s words about the only two commandments worth following are authoritative:

    1. Love God
    2. Love your neighbor as yourself for the love of God

    Nothing about sexual behavior there.

  33. allan says

    I like Joel Osteen. I may not subscribe to everything he’s preaching (including this one, of course), but he said some of the most consoling things in my time of grief.

    We are all adults here, capable of thinking for ourselves. Like what my friend used to say, “Just because I eat vegetables, it doesn’t mean I’m vegetarian.”

  34. Henry Holland says

    “Why do people who can sing (arguably that includes Cher to some people, ugh)”

    I’m not a fan, but she used to be able to belt ’em out. Check out “Just Like Jesse James”:

    For the record, Auto-Tune didn’t appear until 1997, the song above is from 1990. :-)

  35. Monrob says

    THE BIBLE IS A FREAKING FAIRY TALE! IT SHOULD BE SHELVED WITH CINDERELLA AND BAMBI!

    WHO CAN ADVANCE AN ARGUMENT WHEN WE USE THE BIBLE AS A MEASUREMENT TAPE?

  36. gomez says

    @ricco. actually, believing that someone will burn in eternal hellfire while you are saved in eternal joy sounds like a superiority/bigotry complex

    it also sounds like insane sadism of an unfathomable degree, protected by the fact that their “god” commands it

    burning forever in hell. people say it like it’s no big deal. it is. it’s immense spiritual bigotry on an unimaginable scale

  37. Icebloo says

    What did you really expect from Cher ? She’s got the IQ of a potato. She’s been famous since she was a teenager so she’s so far removed from reality that she has no clue about what she’s saying or about any of the struggles associated with being gay.

    Cher is just another straighty who is happy to take our money but never actually does anything for us in return.

    Gay people need to focus on the ACTIONS of these so-called gay supporting stars because almost all of them never actually do anything for us.

  38. patrick says

    my “god”, just look at yourselves and these histronic comments. Calm down, you are just as bad as the rightwing Twitter trolls who bomb anyone who dares to say something they don’t like.

  39. Armando says

    My reading of the bible is different than other peoples and that’s OK because my reading of the bible shouldn’t limit anyones exercising of their religion. The reverse should also be true.

  40. ty says

    The fact that churches are Tax Exempt means we are all financing these clowns to make us feel better. Without tax exempt status, churches would wither away like the greek gods did.

  41. Henry Holland says

    “Without tax exempt status, churches would wither away like the greek gods did”

    This. Plus, if the Feds actually enforced the laws against political action by tax-exempt churches, such as the Mormons, you’d see that stuff stop, stat.

  42. Trevor says

    Belief does not make you a bigot. Bigotry comes through the action of intolerance which is the inability to coexist with someone with whom you disagree. Olsteen may have a belief which we disagree with but he has conducted himself tolerantly, if anything he avoids talking about his stance unless a journalist asks him about it. I’m not saying he should be celebrated but we can be much too quick to condemn.

  43. Steve says

    Grandma needs to garden or knit and keep her shallow thoughts of twitter. Dyslexic or not – her thoughts are shallow and her overcompensating for her ignorance is beyond belief.

  44. says

    Hmm so if we say it like this: I don’t believe people of different races should marry. It’s not bigotry because I’m not targetting blacks specifically. Oh, and I have bible verses to back it up.

    I can’t believe some people fall for such idiotic logic.

  45. says

    Hmm so if we say it like this: I don’t believe people of different races should marry. It’s not bigotry because I’m not targetting blacks specifically. Oh, and I have bible verses to back it up.

    I can’t believe some people fall for such idiotic logic.

  46. Ricco says

    @GOMEZ . . . actually you are wrong. People believe many things, and whatever the rest of us think about the things people, has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

    The concept of hell is a place of eternal punishment reserved, not exclusively for gay, but for all people who do not repent their sins, as the bible says.

    For those who believe in hell as a literal place, and form of punishment, then they must likewise believe in all the other doctrines that govern human behavior, and exactly what one can and cannot do to escape that eventuality.

    So my point is: if you are one of those people who claims to believe in the bible but you condemn one group of people, and vindicate another group of people who have clearly violated the laws of the Bible, it is that uneven application of one’s faith system that makes one a bigot.

    Whatever your opinion of people who believe literally in every word in the bible, if such a believer equally condemns heterosexuals as well homosexuals, whites as well as blacks, and men as well as women, then that believer is not a bigot.

    I do not have a problem with people who believe what I call crazy stuff. My problem is when I know the basis for their crazy and know that it is uneven and misapplied.

    Here is what drives me nuts. From the very inception of our constitution, and the founding of our government, there was a stated separation of church and state . . . and over two hundred years later we have yet to separate the two.

    Christians love to go on and on about how their religious freedom is infringed upon, by which they mean when their right to infringe upon the rights of others is infringed upon.

  47. theotherlee says

    Ricco,
    “The concept of hell is a place of eternal punishment reserved, not exclusively for gay, but for all people who do not repent their sins, as the bible says.”

    I’m a gay man. I love men, not women. I’ve been in 4 long-term relationships in my 40 years walking this planet. Can you explain to me how, as a gay man, I’m supposed to repent… love? Because that’s what it boils down to, doesn’t it? I mean, sure, it’s adultery if I have sex, because I happen to live in a state that doesn’t 10 offer same-sex marriage, and 2) won’t recognize same-sex marriages from other states. So, I’ll give that I am an “adulterer” .. but for the “sin” … Even if I don’t have sex, I’m guilty according to Christ, in Matthew 5:28. Because I don’t see how you can love someone and not desire them.

    So, I’m sorry, as an atheist, anyone who starts spouting “Christianity” at me to support any argument, I write them off a delusional.

  48. jamal49 says

    Cher. A poster child for what botox does to the brain. It degenerates to the point that you find Joel Osteen profoundly nice. Poor Cher. And then there’s Chas.

  49. Peter says

    Osteen has said that god was not having a good day when he made gays. I say god wasn’t having a good day when he made phony charlatans like him.

  50. Guy says

    “Jesus Christ, the light of the world and the mentor of all Christians repeatedly mentioned in HIS time, that in the last days false doctrines and false prophets shall spring up…. Joel Osteen, knowing the implications of his stand instead choose to proclaim the truth”

    More likely, Osteen is one of them false prophets!

  51. Beg to differ says

    @Malcolm & OO_GHO_GHO

    The Bible is a terrible source for moral instruction; it endorses genocide, slavery, the subjugation of women, monarchy as a form of governance, and plenty of other vile things. But let’s ignore that.

    It is convenient for some contemporary Christians to claim that the Old Testament does not control, however, plenty of these same people reach for the story of Sodom & Gomorrah in Genesis or verses in Leviticus when they wish to condemn homosexuality. More importantly, Jesus was crystal clear in the Sermon on the Mount that he had not come to abolish the law and the prophets but to fulfill them and that the law would be true until heaven and earth disappear. So Jesus says that the law as defined in the Old Testament holds true. You want to be a Christian, you’d better follow the law as described in the Old Testament.

  52. Swim_Fan says

    Malcolm is an anti-gay troll. He does not get to determine the definition of Christian for everybody. Tens of millions of Christians do not interpret the Bible the way he does.

  53. GregV says

    “Jesus was crystal clear in the Sermon on the Mount that he had not come to abolish the law and the prophets but to fulfill them and that the law would be true until heaven and earth disappear. So Jesus says that the law as defined in the Old Testament holds true.”

    @BegToDiffer: You just added in those words “as defined in the Old Testament” when Jesus didn’t say them.

    He made it clear that, to Him, the law meant to love God and love your neighbor, and that He did not agree with a lot of how people had come to imagine they were supposed to behave. (This is obvious when he made speeches like “You have heard it said…. but I say instead…”)
    Jesus didn’t speak in terms of obeying a Bible (our modern day likes of which he had never seen) but, rather, to live according to the ways he was conveying verbally and the ways he was modeling in his life (which included sharing what he had with others, welcoming the downtrodden in society and accepting as his friends the sexually-different eunuchs).

  54. AngelaChanning says

    VDUFFORD – Thanks to your post, I had to type in “Joel Osteen shirtless” into “the google.” All I can say is if Cher got hot over him, she is in worse shape than we thought. :-)

  55. Rehab says

    Actually, yes, you are a bigot if you select a church that is anti-gay. Own it.

    The church (if any) that you choose is, indeed, a choice. You could choose to become a Muslim tomorrow, or Jewish. Anybody can.

    If you want to worship Jesus, you can choose one of many sects that choose acceptance over stoning. Like the Unitarians.

    Or you could choose Westboro. Or whatever. Whatever you choose, if you decide to be an anti-gay bigot, please just own your choice.

  56. UFFDA says

    RICK – I could die laughing over how the queens lose it over the things you say and assert. You are THE entertainer hereabouts, and far from foolish.
    I love all these firestorms and you are the main pyromaniac. It’s The Fourth and we have nothing else to do.

  57. andrew says

    If you believe in heaven and hell you are probably looking for the tooth fairy (not gay of course)to give you money for a tooth or you are worried that Santa will put coal in your stocking because you “beat off” yesterday. SO SAD!!!

  58. screech says

    You are all being too mild. Take it from a gay Christian: when a Christian says “Homosexuality is sin…”, you say “Get off my property.” Engaging in conversation is like feeding a troll. Talking about “sin”, for Christians, is not talking about ethics. They aren’t saying that being gay is wrong (an ethical statement) they are saying that having gay sex is an act that directly contradicts what God through his prophets commands you not to do. What makes something wrong is just that it contradicts what their prophets tell them to do. It is pointless to engage, because that is what the book says. Just smile, point to the door and repeat after me: “Get off my property.”

    It’s only worth arguing about if its family.

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