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Rev. Phil Snider Flips Gay Rights Script, Wants Bible Read With 'Integrity': VIDEO

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Voters in Springfield, Missouri, spent much of their summer debating whether or not to expand their town's non-discrimination policies to LGBT people. At the height of the back-and-forth, a local reverend named Phil Snider appeared before the city council to deliver what is being described as a "fiery sermon" about gay rights.

"I worry about the future of our city," he said last August. "Any accurate reading of the Bible should make it clear that gay rights goes against the plain truth of the word of God. As one preacher warns, man in overstepping the boundary lines God has drawn by making special rights for gays and lesbians has taken another step in the direction of inviting the judgment of God upon our land.”

Then, toward the end of the nearly three minute remarks, Snider, who preaches at the Brentwood Christian Church, is on Twitter and has a blog, flips the script, admitting that all of his speech had been lifted from racist speeches calling for segregation.

I'm sorry, I brought the wrong notes with me. It turns out what I've been reading to you this whole time are direct quotes from white preachers from the 1950s and the 1960s all in support of racial segregation. All I have done is simply take out the phrase 'racial integration' and substituted it with the phrase 'gay rights.'

The non-discrimination measure was tabled, unfortunately, but Snider's incredibly clever appearance lives on in video form AFTER THE JUMP.

Before that, though, read this blurb from an essay he posted on his Facebook page last July, before his appearance. The essay is called "What Does the Bible Really Say About Homosexuality? - Part I":

The question, it seems to me, is not based on whether we have uniformity of interpretation but rather integrity of interpretation. Whatever our personal beliefs might be, we are charged with interpreting the Bible with integrity, to ask how it serves as a guide for our beliefs, which demands understanding it to the best of our ability, in relationship to its original context, and in light of the teachings of Christ.

Alright, find the August video of the august pastor AFTER THE JUMP.

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  1. It says that even in the last days the very elect will be deceived. This must be what it meant if a pastor can actually support homosexuality. The Bible is clear the action of homosexuality is a sin. We are not to hate the sinner, but we are to hate the sin. Our church doors are open for everyone to enter in but we cannot keep our sins. We all have to repent, turn from sin if we truly accept Jesus as Saviour. That means lying, sexual relations outside of marriage, stealing for some,other things and yes, homosexual bahaviour would have to stop. Even Jesus said to the man he healed "go and sin no more".
    Standing for what the Bible and God said is not popular but it is the right thing to do. When Jesus was crucified the popular vote was to kill him, the popular vote is not always the right one.
    When a nation supports sin, it comes under judgement.

    Posted by: Adri | Oct 22, 2012 8:33:42 PM


  2. I don't like Palin's "views" - except for the one she has of Russia. But I think this hurt a lot of people. It went over the line. Maher: "We need the word "retarded." This word, and especially the joke Maher reinforces, has set the hard work of parents of mentally challenged, ridiculed people back. What will he argue next, the use of the word f@GG؆†? Ann Coulter likes to use it, and I'd bet she's in line with Maher's opinion. He does, by the way, push her book on his show, and they did date years ago (YES, they did.)

    Posted by: jkl3321 | Oct 23, 2012 1:35:20 AM


  3. Oops. Sorry, I posted in the wrong place. Sorry!

    Posted by: jkl3321 | Oct 23, 2012 1:51:46 AM


  4. The problem with Phil Snider's argument, all previous arguments notwithstanding, is that the Bible promotes gender, racial and economic harmony in the world, regardless of what some people argued in the past. Read Galatians 3:24 - 29. This section culminates all the teachings of the Prophets and Jesus regarding social justice. Promoting gender, racial and equal economic opportunity are all hallmarks of Christians and God's true people.

    Homosexuality is entirely different and is inherently disordered and destructive both to the individual and to society. The argument is correct for homosexuality. Wake up; turn your life over to Jesus for the TRANSFORMATION of your soul and deliverance from the snares of the devil, so that you can accept the truth. Otherwise, you are doomed to destruction.

    Posted by: Mark Rigoglioso | Oct 23, 2012 9:39:16 AM


  5. A troubling result of calling homosexuality a right and trying to force it legally upon society, is that both religious rights and free speech rights, as valued by Americans from our founding, with be unavoidably weakened, since free speech allows us to proclaim the religious truth about homosexuality and lesbianism. There is no middle ground, all delusions aside.

    A sad and disturbing 'unexpected consequence' of such foolishness will actually be to embolden militant Muslims, whose religion is based on the Koran, a book that opens with a wicked diatribe against Jews and Christians. If you want 'gay' rights, you will end up with tyranny, persecution, torture, slavery and the destruction of every other value you hold dear. The very people who want to bring it to you already reside in this country, so it is up to you and me: Accept Jesus, or receive the hell you have been running toward for so long now.

    Posted by: Mark Rigoglioso | Oct 23, 2012 10:00:28 AM


  6. Anyone who thinks the nightmares being played out in Iran, Egypt, Syria and Afghanistan cannot happen here in the US, have not read the Bible, the premier book of world history. A bitter prelude took place on September 11, 2001, if you recall.

    The liberal elites of ancient Israel held the same arrogance against the prophets in their day, to their horrific doom, twice. Our moral choices have grave consequences...knock, knock, anyone home?

    Our loyalty to God and His Commandments carry both blessings and curses if disrespected, and this applies to YOU as well, whether you want to face it or not.

    Those who do not heed history are doomed to repeat it.

    Posted by: Mark Rigoglioso | Oct 23, 2012 10:10:50 AM


  7. It is not correct to use the writings of an ancient people who lived 3 or 5000 years, to condemn and abuse of LGBT and not give them equal rights.

    The Bible also says that you can have slaves (Leviticus 25:44-46), which have to be submissive to their cruel masters (1 Peter 2:18-19), because if they are not blaspheme God (1 Timothy 6 1), and can hit (Luke 12:47), if the master kills his slave, with long agony, not pay for it because he owned that human being (Exodus 21:20-21), a slave not have authority over her family (Exodus 21:2-3, Deuteronomy 15:12-18), will be slaves all their lives, except the hebrews.

    The Bible also says that the Israelites may violate other peoples virgins after killing all their fathers, mothers, brothers and neighbors (Number 31:17-18; 21:7,10-12 Judges, Deuteronomy 21: 11-14), says that women are more unclean (Leviticus 12:1-2,5), and can not speak in church (1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-15), kill them if are not virgins, but if the husband murderer, just lied to get out of it causing their death, only you'll be fine with money (Deuteronomy 22:13-21).

    But the bible surprised by things that do not say she speaks literal, direct and clear, about not eating shellfish, because it is an abomination, but does not prohibit sex with children and girls.

    And then they panic and refuses to make the world a more equitable (equal) in human rights issues. Upon discovering this mundane and harmful 1% of the Bible, not hiso to stop believing in God, or in the other 99% remaining. Well, on the contrary, I am free, I have no fear and I really love God; simply discard what is not of Him.

    Google translation of Spanish

    Posted by: Gióniver | Oct 25, 2012 11:19:58 PM


  8. @Mark Rigoglioso: "[T]he Bible promotes gender, racial and economic harmony in the world, regardless of what some people argued in the past."

    Seriously, Mark, you need to get a grip on world history - especially religious history. You need especially to get a grip on what various Christian churches are teaching today. The idea of harmony you give above is an incredibly recent interpretation. Many Christians would disown your views as being Christian because they do not accept "regardless of what some people argues in the past": These Christians believe the Christian faith has been unchanged since the Apostles (or at least the Reformation). Some Christians today believe women's suffrage is unbiblical. Some Christians still believe that blacks are really second-class citizens, because Genesis says so. Some Christians believe the Bible demands laissez-faire free-market capitalism. If you are willing to open up Christianity to the harmony above, to have consistency and integrity of your liberal reading of the Bible, you must needs open up Christianity to LGBT folk. You need to heed history.

    Posted by: Diogenes Arktos | Oct 25, 2012 11:23:15 PM


  9. @KISSYFUR -- There you go again. I have met and dealt with all types of person in my life, but the types for which I express the deepest, most profound contempt are those religious crackpots who appear to believe that they, and they alone, have a corner on morality. I have had Leviticus shoved down my throat to such an extent that, many years ago, I vowed never, ever to enter any church or other house of organized religious worship ever again. Bigotry is bigotry, regardless of the biblical basis for that bigotry -- and you express it in spades.

    I consider organized religion to be the most socially destructive and useless endeavor in human history, and want absolutely nothing to do with it. Religion has been used as a bludgeon to craft law and public policy at the expense of those who are not religious, and it has been used to justify the mace of government coercion since time immemorial. It is people like you who were responsible for prolonging the institution of slavery, for embracing the "separate but equal" doctrine, for denying women the right to vote, for denying women full equality with men, for denying interracial couples the right to marry, and more recently for denying gay persons not just the right to marry, but also the right to be treated on equal terms with heterosexuals in the armed forces (thankfully, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" has finally been repealed).

    Fortunately the tide is turning. Six states and the District of Columbia now permit gay marriage. Three more states will consider legalization of gay marriage next month. Proposition 8 in California was struck down by both a federal district judge and a panel of the US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit (the case is now pending before the US Supreme Court, where I believe that we have the votes to sustain the holdings of the lower courts). The polls indicate a strong likelihood of the states of Maine and Washington approving gay marriage next month.

    Internationally, South Africa, Canada, Spain, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Argentina, Netherlands, Portugal, and several South American sub-jurisdictions have legalized gay marriage since 2001. France is poised to become the latest nation to legalize full gay marriage. Furthermore, research shows that those who support gay marriage are better educated than those who oppose gay marriage, and that younger people overwhelmingly approve of gay marriage (and their attitude does NOT change as they grow older).

    What this means is that the majority of opponents of gay marriage will eventually die, and younger people will take their place with more enlightened attitudes. Soon enough, gay marriage will become legal throughout the United States.

    Selective invocation of Leviticus always amuses me. Do you wear clothing made of two different fabrics? Do you refuse to stone people to death for adultery? Do you eat shellfish? Do you work on Sundays? If you have answered "yes" to any of these questions, you have disobeyed what I take it you believe to be the direct and inerrant word of God. This selective invocation would be amusing were its consequences not so ugly and demeaning to a group of people who have it hard enough as matters stand, without having to worry about religious crackpots attacking them.

    It is my sincere hope that the day will come when you look back on your actions in this regard -- and hang your head in shame!


    PHILIP CHANDLER

    Posted by: Philip Chandler | Oct 28, 2012 9:45:48 PM


  10. RIGOGLIOSO writes: "A sad and disturbing 'unexpected consequence' of such foolishness will actually be to embolden militant Muslims, whose religion is based on the Koran, a book that opens with a wicked diatribe against Jews and Christians."

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    RESPONSE
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    This is a particularly disgusting, sneaky form of attack. You are effectively blaming gay Americans for the attitudes of another religion, with the unstated implication that attacks on America (such as 9/11, which I survived) should be blamed on gay Americans.

    This is utterly revolting, and I am amazed by two things: 1) Why do you wish to engage in naked appeasement of adherents of another religion, when that religion infused those who attacked us on 9/11 and on other occasions? and 2) Why should I give a fiddler's what members of another religion believe?

    We are not responsible for the deluded and hateful attitudes and actions of other people, and your attempt to hijack the horrors of what occurred on the above occasions is so low as to be completely beyond the pale.

    PHILIP CHANDLER


    Posted by: Philip Chandler | Oct 28, 2012 10:04:13 PM


  11. RIGOGLIOSO writes: "A sad and disturbing 'unexpected consequence' of such foolishness will actually be to embolden militant Muslims, whose religion is based on the Koran, a book that opens with a wicked diatribe against Jews and Christians."

    ********
    RESPONSE
    ********

    This is a particularly disgusting, sneaky form of attack. You are effectively blaming gay Americans for the attitudes of another religion, with the unstated implication that attacks on America (such as 9/11, which I survived) should be blamed on gay Americans.

    This is utterly revolting, and I am amazed by two things: 1) Why do you wish to engage in naked appeasement of adherents of another religion, when that religion infused those who attacked us on 9/11 and on other occasions? and 2) Why should I give a fiddler's what members of another religion believe?

    We are not responsible for the deluded and hateful attitudes and actions of other people, and your attempt to hijack the horrors of what occurred on the above occasions is so low as to be completely beyond the pale.

    PHILIP CHANDLER


    Posted by: Philip Chandler | Oct 28, 2012 10:04:27 PM


  12. RIGOGLIOSO writes: "A sad and disturbing 'unexpected consequence' of such foolishness will actually be to embolden militant Muslims, whose religion is based on the Koran, a book that opens with a wicked diatribe against Jews and Christians."

    ********
    RESPONSE
    ********

    This is a particularly disgusting, sneaky form of attack. You are effectively blaming gay Americans for the attitudes of another religion, with the unstated implication that attacks on America (such as 9/11, which I survived) should be blamed on gay Americans.

    This is utterly revolting, and I am amazed by two things: 1) Why do you wish to engage in naked appeasement of adherents of another religion, when that religion infused those who attacked us on 9/11 and on other occasions? and 2) Why should I give a fiddler's what members of another religion believe?

    We are not responsible for the deluded and hateful attitudes and actions of other people, and your attempt to hijack the horrors of what occurred on the above occasions is so low as to be completely beyond the pale.

    PHILIP CHANDLER


    Posted by: Philip Chandler | Oct 28, 2012 10:04:30 PM


  13. RIGOGLIOSO writes: "A sad and disturbing 'unexpected consequence' of such foolishness will actually be to embolden militant Muslims, whose religion is based on the Koran, a book that opens with a wicked diatribe against Jews and Christians."

    ********
    RESPONSE
    ********

    This is a particularly disgusting, sneaky form of attack. You are effectively blaming gay Americans for the attitudes of another religion, with the unstated implication that attacks on America (such as 9/11, which I survived) should be blamed on gay Americans.

    This is utterly revolting, and I am amazed by two things: 1) Why do you wish to engage in naked appeasement of adherents of another religion, when that religion infused those who attacked us on 9/11 and on other occasions? and 2) Why should I give a fiddler's what members of another religion believe?

    We are not responsible for the deluded and hateful attitudes and actions of other people, and your attempt to hijack the horrors of what occurred on the above occasions is so low as to be completely beyond the pale.

    PHILIP CHANDLER


    Posted by: Philip Chandler | Oct 28, 2012 10:05:05 PM


  14. My apologies for the multiple posting of my last comment -- my browser went into a wait status....

    PHILIP CHANDLER

    Posted by: Philip Chandler | Oct 28, 2012 10:13:11 PM


  15. Rigoloso writes "A troubling result of calling homosexuality a right and trying to force it legally upon society, is that both religious rights and free speech rights, as valued by Americans from our founding, with be unavoidably weakened, since free speech allows us to proclaim the religious truth about homosexuality and lesbianism. There is no middle ground, all delusions aside."

    You state our rights of free speech and religion will be weakened. But how do you not see the same on the other side. If you take away ones right to be gay because it goes against your reliegion your taking their right of relgious freedom and speech away and forcing your beliefs upon everyone else. This was apparent in our own countrys history. We called it a monarchy and as a country rebelled against english rule. in those times you followed the reliegion of the king and queen or you we treated harshly. And yet we have people trying to the same now. We are supposed to live by your beliefs or be treated harshly and unfairly if we don't.

    Posted by: allen lindley | Dec 29, 2012 11:50:37 AM


  16. What "God" is blessing this rhetoric? Not the true God, for sure. People like to believe God is like them, and holds their perverted values. He does not. If the bible-illiterate would stop putting word in God's mouth, then they would see the truth of what God actually says about homosexuality.

    Useful idiots like this "preacher" abound, but his lies don't lessen the truth that homosexuality is STILL perversion, that God defines marriage and sexuality, and that the real discrimination comes from the secular, leftwing,homsxl. movement, who must strong arm conscientious Christians into submission to their degenerate lives. Repentance has never been more appropriate.

    Posted by: Pierre | Feb 23, 2013 4:09:26 PM


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