UN Approves Palestinian Statehood In 138-9 Vote

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Palestine now has United Nations statehood. For the first time ever, the international body will recognize Palestine as a "non-member observer state" after 138 members voted for bring the nation into the fold. Nine nations, including the United States, Israel and Canada, voted against the measure. France and Spain voted in favor, while Germany and Great Britain both abstained, according to NPR.

Addressing the UN assembly before the vote, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said, "We did not come here seeking to delegitimize a state established years ago, and that is Israel. Rather we came to affirm the legitimacy of a state that must now achieve its independence and that is Palestine."

"The moment has come for the world to say clearly: enough of aggression, enough with settlements and occupation," he said.

Comments

  1. Mundus says

    About bloody time; let us all hope that all of the people of the region will wholeheartedly work towards peace, even when the odds seem insurmountable.

    Palestinians deserve a viable, stable, safe state of their own and Israel deserves peace, security and a working relationship with those nations that surround her.

    If not for themselves then for the children of both nations.

  2. KT says

    I know in the past the US has vowed to cut funding if Palestine became a member state but I hope we can just move forward. If 138 countries say yes, then we cannot throw a hissy fit and take our toys home. (I honestly think both Israel and Palestine have their valid points but they are both also responsible for the mess over there. Maybe granting Palestine UN statehood is a step in the right direction)

  3. Icebloo says

    If EVER an elected official abstains on a vote they should be fired. VOTING is part of their job. That’s why they are there ! If I don’t do part of my job I get fired. It’s ridiculous ! If they are too weak and afraid to get involved in these issues the DON’T APPLY FOR THE JOB ! It’s not rocket science.

  4. OddBet says

    @Icebloo You seem confused as to the purpose and function of the UN. Delegates to the UN are not elected, but appointed by their government to represent them. If a delegate abstains, it is because that is what their government instructed them to do.

    So it is indeed not rocket science; it is high school civics.

  5. Icebloo says

    @ODDBET I am perfectly well aware of how it works. My point was to highlight how hypocritical it is of politicians to continue to complain about people not voting in elections but they themselves don’t vote on a regular basis even when it’s part of their jobs. They are pathetic.

  6. Bill says

    There are legitimate reasons for an elected official to abstain from a vote such as a conflict of interest. For example, if there is a vote on a creek “improvement” (e.g., flood walls) and an elected official lives adjacent to that creek, the vote could directly benefit that official in ways that do not directly benefit everyone.

  7. bareback rider says

    Israel’s destruction is said to be both inevitable and a Palestinian obligation. The Palestinian Authority promises its people that in the future, the State of Israel will be completely erased and replaced by a State of Palestine.

    The Palestinian Authority persecutes the LGBT community, when Israel protects them.

  8. Mundus says

    @Barebackrider: “Israel’s destruction is said to be both inevitable and a Palestinian obligation”

    Well then they are in perfect harmony with many of the gay-hating Christian fundamentalists who believe that the destruction of Israel is both inevitable and a prerequisite for the rapture and the second coming of Christ.

    Yes, the Palestinians are undeniably responsible for many repellent and violent acts, but under what paradigm are only angelic, sweet, saccharine luvvies the only ones who can suffer persecution and occupation? The land seizures and settlements remain illegal under international law, period. Not that this obviates, under any circumstances, the need for a safe, secure and peaceful Israel.

  9. daftpunkydavid says

    @myackie… i don’t think they will be either; i don’t think any party involved is satisfied with the present outcome. there is a lot more to be done to achieve lasting peace…

  10. Lee says

    Screw the UN they are worthless and Hamas and gaza should nuked death to those homophobic and racist savages. Long live Israel the only truely pro gay democracy in the middle east

  11. Mundus says

    @Lee: “Screw the UN they are worthless and Hamas and gaza should nuked death to those homophobic and racist savages. Long live Israel the only truely pro gay democracy in the middle east”

    Your inchoate hatred might be a little more persuasive if you were capable of composing a coherent sentence.

  12. Lee says

    @mundus get bent either you stand with a civilized pro gay and pro woman like Israel or you stand with the Hamas savages pick your side and remeber Israel has one of the gayest cities in the world(tel aviv) and Hamas encourages families to kill gay relative.

  13. Mundus says

    @Lee:

    “get bent”

    SO classy…

    @Lee:

    “…either you stand with a civilized pro gay and pro woman like Israel or you stand with the Hamas savages pick your side and remeber Israel has one of the gayest cities in the world(tel aviv) and Hamas encourages families to kill gay relative.”

    What simplistic drivel – as I pointed out earlier, do you really think that only NICE people can be oppressed or have land illegally stolen from them?

  14. says

    I still remember the Munich Massacre when 11 members of the Israeli Olympic team were taken hostage and eventually killed at the 1972 Winter Olympics in Munich by Palestinians. The Olympics are suppose to be representative of peace and comradery. King Hussien of Jordan was the only Arab leader to condemn the attack. Time has not changed, especially with Hamas in charge and the recent shelling of Israel. They should not be recognized as a state. I am surprised as some of the remarks, since, if you, being gay, were to openly admit it in the Middle East, less Israel, you could be imprisoned and put to death.

  15. Nat says

    “I am surprised as some of the remarks, since, if you, being gay, were to openly admit it in the Middle East, less Israel, you could be imprisoned and put to death.”

    The current treatment of homosexuality in Palestine is deplorable, but that doesn’t excuse Israel’s faults regarding its relationship with the Palestinians. Israel has helped to make Palestine – particularly Gaza – into what it is today. If Israel truly wants to claim higher moral authority, then it should act as a higher moral authority. The routine dispossession of people in Jerusalem and the West Bank to benefit the Israeli populace is not stance of someone with the moral high ground, regardless of what those people think of homosexuality.

  16. Nat says

    “Time has not changed, especially with Hamas in charge and the recent shelling of Israel.”

    Yes, it’s not as if Israel could do anything about it yes?

    Four Israeli civilians were killed. That’s a tragedy, and Hamas’s involvement – direct or indirect – is outrageous.

    But over 100 Palestinian civilians were killed. Where’s their justice? Why do they have to be subjected to an air campaign that made their already squalid existence even more desperate?

    And to forestall an inevitable counterpoint: if the blood of those Palestinian civilians is on Hamas’s hands, then the blood of Israel’s civilians is on Israel’s hands.

  17. andrew says

    There is no doubt that I would rather live in Israel than any Muslim nation in the world. There is very little real democracy and human liberty and freedom in the Islamic world. That said, the U.S. and Israel have to ask themselves what they are doing wrong to lose this kind of lopsided vote. The Czech Republic was the only European Nation to vote with us. Most of Europe voted to grant the Palestinians the new status or they abstained.

  18. Lee says

    It’s called anti semitism @andrew most of Europe is very anti Jewish even to this day the effects of nazisim are alive and well. Btw Israel has done more for human rights and the advancement of the human race in it’s short time on earth then the Arabs have in over a thousand years.

  19. Lee says

    And @nat jerulesum is our land since the vote in 1980 as for the west bank Jewish settlers are the only reason their economy is better than gaza without the Jews the land would still be nothing but squalor and filth just look at gaza.

  20. andrew says

    @Lee: Anti Semitism doesnn’t begin to explain why every European Nation with the exception of the Czech Republic voted to approve the new status for Palestine or abstained from voting. And Canada and Panama are the only nations in the entire Western Hemisphere to vote with us. This lopsided vote should cause the U. S. and Israel to sit down and try to figure out what they are doing wrong and change directions.

  21. Mikemike says

    Lee’s run-on sentences, logical fallacies and bigoted statements are actually quite helpful: they illustrate what Likud really thinks without all the slick veneer of Netanyahu’s slippery speech.

  22. says

    @ Lee – Keeping vigil for anti-Semitism doesn’t also mean allowing Israel (or anyone else in the area) to use excessive force. “Nuking” a group of people won’t really give any moral leverage or indicative of democratic process.

    I’m saddened that Canada is being inflexible about this and what that does to our reputation. The evidence is obvious that Israel is not abiding boundaries which only causes more tension, retaliation, and fuel for movements like Hamas. I agree that Israel has a right to defend itself, but not at the cost of another territory’s equal sovereignty and people.

    Hopefully recognition will lead to firmer and fair borders, and we can eliminate repetitively choosing sides based on old policy promises. Millennia of this is quite enough.

  23. says

    It was ironic that yesterday was the Anniversary of the UN proposing a 2 state partition for Israel and Palestine in 1947,The Palestinians walked out along with all other Arab nations in that region. In may of 1948, On the day Israel was declared a state… Palestinians and 5 Arab countries attacked the new Jewish State to drive it into the sea! Since that time, Israel has won 2 other wars and in 1967 6 Day War regained East Jerusalem, that was in Jordan and the West Bank that was in Egypt. For those 19 years there was no talk of a State of Palestine while it was in Arab hands. And for those 19 years Jews were not allowed to visit their most Holy site, The Wailing Wall and many other Jewish Holy sites were destroyed. The Palestinians were used as pawns by their leaders and other Mid-eastern Arab nations. Instead of using money for building schools, hospital and roads, a great many refugee’s were kept in camps and while buying rockets instead. The Palestinians seem to forget that they were offered a state in ’47 and have yet to recognize that Israel even exist.

    This lopsided vote in the U.N. reminds me of how many countries came to the aid of European Jews leading up to and including WWll. Most Arab states sided with the Nazis.

    The long over due peace talks should only be between the Palestinians and Israel and on the preconditions that the Palestinians stop firing rockets into Israel, and must recognize that the State of Israel has existed since 1948!

  24. Mundus says

    @Lee: “It’s called anti semitism @andrew most of Europe is very anti Jewish even to this day”

    Pure.Unadulterated.Nonsense.

    The overwhelming majority of Europeans are NOT anti-semitic and un-astonishingly find anti-semitism utterly abhorrent. You DO realise you have just made a bizarre and fallacious generalisation covering the people of an entire continent, don’t you?

  25. andrew says

    There is no doubt that the Palestinian leaders and many of their Arab supporters have over the last 64 years made the dumbest choices ever time. Had they accepted the U.N. Palestinian and Jewish territories established in 1948, they would have their Palestinian State today and Israel would be a very small neighboring state. Instead they rejected peaceful solutions again and again and went to war and lost more territory each time.

  26. Quest says

    What Israel is doing is NOT working!! Do Israelis and Israel loving Jews in America and elsewhere really want to continue the nightmare that has taken hold in that tiny patch of land? I just don’t understand how it is in Israel’s best interest to keep this occupation going? Give them their own state, and if they still continue to attack Israel, at least then Israel will have the moral highground in defending itself and its citizens! Or does a bronze age book with it’s myth of a Promised Land still have so much power over the minds of intelligent Jews?

  27. andrew says

    @ARI: Palestinian Arabs are not Jordanians. The intent of the U.N. in 1948 was to create two states in Ancient Palestine, One for Jews and one for Arabs. Unfortunately for the Palestinian Arabs their leaders and supporters were to dumb to accept that deal and went to war instead. The results of that war was that Israel, to guarantee her security, took more land than the U N had mandated. Later Arabs started two more wars with Israel and lost both and lost more land. Near the end of the Clinton administration, the U S got Israel to agree to, what most said was a good deal for the Palestinians, but Arafat walked away from it. And so it goes.

  28. olterigo says

    @Andrew,

    And most of the regimes that have capital punishment for homosexuality voted for. Should we not be concerned about that, too? (if we are to concern ourselves about who voted which way.)

  29. olterigo says

    @quest,

    Well, let’s look at recent past. Israel left Gaza (which also has a border with Egypt – if only Egypt wanted to open their border! I wonder why a friendly Egyptian regime doesn’t open the border and help its ideological comrades…), and what it got was Iranian rockets over Tel Aviv. (Some of the rockets from Gaza – ironically – flew over Israel and landed in the West Bank!)

  30. Myackie says

    so much ignorance on this thread…

    Nobody here has a problem with Australia, right? I only wish the Jews in Israel had done what the brits had done in Australia…because today, nobody would have a problem with Israel.

    but then again…they probably would.

  31. Derrick from Philly says

    There are two points of view about the history of the modern state of Isreal and how it came into being, and the consequences of that reality. We should never accept one side’s point of view.

    It wasn’t until the 1980s that I began to hear the Palestinian point of view (from Arab students here at the university where I’m employed). I’m glad I was able to hear a different point of view from that which my government and the media was giving me.

  32. Derrick from Philly says

    Hey, Myackie:

    Not just Australia. All of the Western Hemisphere followed the philosophy you’re talking about: kill off the indigenous population. Afrikaners and Rhodesians wish they’d have done it. You don’t want to be in their company, do you?

  33. andrew says

    @Olterigo: The anti Semitism charge and siting nations who have capital punishment for homosexuality doesn’t explain the pro Palestinian vote of: Norway,Japan, New Zealand, Ireland, Portugal, Denmark, Sweden, etc, etc, etc. If the U S and Israel don’t realize that this lopsided vote requires them to sit down and figure out what they are doing wrong, it is a seriously missed opportunity. The nations you site are Muslim nations and I never expect anything good from them. However almost all of the nations of Europe and the America’s voted to support the new status for the Palestinians. Others like Britain, our oldest ally, and Germany, the Netherlands and Australia abstained. Its a wake up call!

  34. andrew says

    @Olterigo: The anti Semitism charge and siting nations who have capital punishment for homosexuality doesn’t explain the pro Palestinian vote of: Norway,Japan, New Zealand, Ireland, Portugal, Denmark, Sweden, etc, etc, etc. If the U S and Israel don’t realize that this lopsided vote requires them to sit down and figure out what they are doing wrong, it is a seriously missed opportunity. The nations you site are Muslim nations and I never expect anything good from them. However almost all of the nations of Europe and the America’s voted to support the new status for the Palestinians. Others like Britain, our oldest ally, and Germany, the Netherlands and Australia abstained. Its a wake up call!

  35. Lee says

    @bill not a racist could care less about what the Arabs do in their countries but Israel of for the Jews and hell yes I’m a proud Zionist because that’s the only thing that has prevented our people from going the way to the dodo.

  36. anon says

    I assume this was posted under the notion that left-wing (I hesitate to say liberal in this context) readers would be reflexively pro Palestinian. I’m not sure that’s the case. While gays might have a soft spot for other abused minorities, like the Palestinians, I think this is an issue that divides blue staters. After all, it was the Obama administration that voted against this measure. I also think that deconstructing this mess is a mental waste of time.

  37. says

    there are Jews and Israelis that support Palestinian statehood. And there are Palestinians who support and harbor no animosity toward the State, and THE PEOPLE, of Israel.

    And shame on every single one of you who chooses to ignore this so you can plan an US vs THEM card.

    You wont’ ever win that way. That mentality will only ensure a few more decades of death.

  38. andrew says

    @Lee: There is nothing wrong with being a “proud Zionist”. However you should learn to spell Jerusalem. Its not “Jerulesum”! I do wonder why a “proud Zionist” doesn’t know how to spell Jerusalem, the center of Jewish civilization and culture. Just asking?

  39. andrew says

    Is there a free man/woman anywhere in the world who would choose to live in a Muslim nation over Israel? I doubt it. Islam has yet to be defanged. It is the enemy of human freedom and progress. All religions are the enemies of human freedom and progress. Islam just happens to be the worst, by far!

  40. Chrisme says

    Do you Pro-Israel folks that say the Jewish State of Israel is “Pro-Gay”, not remember that Judaism was the FIRST Anti-Gay Religion and still continues to be an Anti-Gay religion right along with Christianists and Muslims?

    The State of Israel may be “Pro-Gay” today but that doesn’t mean they get carte blanche to kill and subjugate whoever they want to that’s nearby or on land that they want.

    The idea that Israel is a special magical country that needs our support and is so special that it should be able to do what it wants, is laughable.

  41. Dave says

    Would have been nice if this resolution had followed some substantive move towards peace by the Palestinians, instead of a wave of rocket attacks and a bus bombing in Tel Aviv by Hamas.

    The message thats being sent is “you don’t have to recognize Israel, you don’t have to disavow a political platform of Islamic Jihad and Death to Jews, and you don’t have to stop electing terrorist governments. Keep doing what you’re doing, and you will be rewarded with a nation state.”

    Seems like that’s the wrong message to send.

  42. Myackie says

    @ Dave…there are rules…and then there are ‘arab’ rules…

    arabs do not feel that they have to respect anyone’s rules…but everyone has to respect their rules…

    do you understand now?

  43. olterigo says

    @Andrew,

    It would have been nice if you actually bothered to read what I wrote. I didn’t say “anti-Semitism.” You imagined it. Good straw man argument. Nowhere did I speak of anti-Semitism as the reason for some of Europe’s votes.

    As for “all the nations of Europe…” Actually, only about half, and most of the major ones abstained. The only significant one was France – but it’s not surprising in the least, as the Socialists wouldn’t have been able to win elections without the Muslim vote, which is about 10% of the French population.

  44. olterigo says

    @chrisme

    Now, I’ve been watching news, and from what I can tell most of the rockets were not being sent at settlements in the West Bank, but at at the civilian population centers in Israel itself. Of course, if you see all of Israel as occupation and wish for its disappearance, I can see how that little thing would escape your attention.

  45. olterigo says

    @Andrew,

    Here, I think you might be interested in the Foreign Policy article called “How Israel Lost Europe.” Here’s what that article says:

    “According to one European diplomat well versed in Spain’s foreign policy, Hollande capitalized on the weak Spanish economy to push Madrid to vote for the PLO’s upgrade. “France knows our weakness — the bank crisis — and expanded it to foreign policy,” he said. In short, the diplomat noted that Spain had joined France as part of a bloc of countries — including Italy and Portugal — in exchange for France’s protection in upcoming rounds of austerity talks.

    The diplomat also noted that Spain is attempting to obtain a seat on the U.N. Security Council and that the vote may have been a way to court favor from Arab countries.

    In fairness, Israel always faced an uphill battle in Europe, where Muslim populations are on the rise and pro-Palestinian sentiments continue to gain traction.”

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