Vatican Still Thinks It Can Turn Back Marriage Equality

PopereadingLast week's historic LGBT wins made clear that the United States has turned a corner in terms of marriage equality, finally coming out victorious against conservative religious powers that want to maintain institutionalized discrimination.

But some American anti-gay activists still think they can turn back time — and so too does the Vatican, which used its semi-official newspaper to claim it's going to come out on top.

…According to an article in L’Osservatore Romano by historian Lucetta
Scaraffia, the church has emerged in recent years as the only
institution on the global stage that’s capable of resisting the forces
that threaten to "break up … human society."

"You could say that the church, on this level, is bound to lose,” writes Scaraffia. “But this is not the case.”

According
to the historian, the church’s fight on moral issues such as gay
marriage and abortion has drawn support and “admiration” from many
non-Catholics.

Scaraffia went on to argue that political battles over gay adoption, abortion and other policies the Vatican deems sinful aren't about "progress," but about "the loss of one of the founding freedoms of the
modern State, religious liberty."

Today that same paper ran another piece that "sought to frame itself as the lone voice of courage in opposing initiatives to give same-sex couples legal recognition," says the Washington Post.

And the Vatican's editors even worked their quixotic belief into a report on President Obama's re-election: "If Obama wants to be the president of all
American people, he must eventually acknowledge the requests that are rising
with strength from the religious communities  — the Catholic Church being the
first in line  — in favour of the family, life and religious liberty."

Meanwhile, the aforementioned article on America's waning religious right noted, "Solid majorities of Catholics supported same-sex marriage, said Dr. Jones, the pollster."

Comments

  1. Len says

    “You could say that the church, on this level, is bound to lose,” writes Scaraffia. “But this is not the case.”

    According to the historian, the church’s fight on moral issues such as gay marriage and abortion has drawn support and “admiration” from many non-Catholics.”

    It’s precisely this sort of blind, divorced-from-reality hubris that caused Romney and the Republicans to lose this election…

  2. nick says

    The Holy See has always believed in fairy tales-they wrote the book on that subject and as they continue the express elevator to irrelevance-they continue to spout their hate, ignorance, and fear coupled with threats- it is the only thing that they do well.

  3. Sargon Bighorn says

    As a wise commentator said on Joe My God, the religious radicals screamed to put the issue up for a vote of the people. And when it WAS put to a vote of the people, the people voted for equality.

    Indeed “The Church” can no longer take the moral high road, they left that path decades ago.

  4. Diogenes Arktos says

    The entire Roman Catholic church, like the political right, is in its own alternate reality. I seriously doubt either group will leave their Garden of Eden any time soon.

  5. simon says

    The Church also said years ago the Earth is the center of the Solar system and Galileo was wrong. The pope and the Church finally woke up and ate their words in 2000.

  6. Dave in NYC says

    As usual, Mark Twain commented on this phenomenon a century ago:

    “Our own conversion came at last. We began to stir against slavery. Hearts grew soft, here, there, and yonder. There was no place in the land where the seeker could not find some small budding sign of pity for the slave. No place in all the land but one – the pulpit. It yielded at last; it always does. It fought a strong and stubborn fight, and then did what it always does, joined the procession – at the tail end. Slavery fell. The slavery text remained; the practice changed, that was all.”

    –from Europe and Elsewhere
    and A Pen Warmed Up In Hell

  7. dave02657 says

    “blah, blah, blah … same impotent arguments that have been part and parcel of their “litany” for centuries … blah, blah, blah … same ineffective theses we have suffered for millenia … blah, blah, blah … desperation, desperation, desperation – in the face of ever present and muturing cultural, sociological, and intellectual evolution.

  8. Dave C. in SF says

    Great quote, Dave in NYC. It puts an historical perspective to the rigidity of most religious institutions. The final part, ” joined the procession – at the tail end. Slavery fell. The slavery text remained; the practice changed, that was all.” It is important to remember. Most of them have not yet reached that point, and some never will. The fight continues despite our recent successes.

  9. Diogenes Arktos says

    @Simon: Some right-wing catholics try to spin the Galileo fiasco as claiming that the church did support his scientific work but opposed his philosophical errors. Since the RC philosophy is as immutable as its theology, I’m not sure they’ve truly embraced him. At least J2P2 was sympathetic to evolution – but I’m not sure about Benny.

    *-*-*-*-*

    I remember when J2P2 finally realized there was a PR problem in the US about pedophile priests, the first thing he did was to call the bishops to Rome. As if that would do anything, because everyone just doubled down on not believing the facts. Although progress has been made, we’re not out of the woods yet. I’m just waiting for Benny to do the same.

  10. Seriously, no joking says

    OK, but they can still turn wine into blood, right? Even though it still has the appearance of wine it really is blood, right?

    Ask any Catholic. They know EVERYTHING!

  11. says

    The pope is a super wealthy member of the 1%, a tiresome king, a Medieval leftover whose major concern is keeping adherents and stifling opposition to his personal views. He is a major buttinski. He needs to learn how to live and let live.

  12. Steve says

    @Diogenes Arktos
    Galileo was actually friends with the Pope. There is an argument to be made that he brought some of it on himself when he wrote a piece that had a thinly veiled stand-in for the Pope cast as an idiot and generally in a bad light. Don’t get me wrong. They would still have forced him to recant his findings, but they might not have put him on trial or sentenced him to house arrest.

  13. john patrick says

    I agree with Len above. The kind of hubris that had Romney thinking he was going to win the presidency despite the polls, and that left him and many of his party shocked when he lost.

  14. simon says

    The Catholic church once again found themselves on the wrong side of history. As the French Socialist party spokesman put it succinctly:
    it was not the Church’s role “to oppose the will of the legislature, especially concerning civil marriage in a secular republic”

  15. jw says

    is this photo of the pope?
    is that his office?!

    it looks pretty dismal –
    look at the bookcases in the background
    the whole place looks cramped, and dingy and cluttered
    it looks like the office of a third world petty bureaucrat
    this is the pope’s office?

  16. jw says

    is this photo of the pope?
    is that his office?!

    it looks pretty dismal –
    look at the bookcases in the background
    the whole place looks cramped, and dingy and cluttered
    it looks like the office of a third world petty bureaucrat
    this is the pope’s office?

  17. Tim says

    We all know the Catholic priest can be predators of children and that the Vatican hides the pedophile priest from justice. Now we all need to watch the religious right because they also have become dangerous predators in the world who hide their evil acts.

  18. Tothepoint says

    Religiouse Liberty? The vaticans so-called loss of religious liberty, like all other religious bigots, is defined by them as not being able to force their religous bigotry on everyone. They have religious freedom, as do all of us to practice or not practice organized religion. But they think that if they cannot force their religion on the masses, then their religious freedom is lost. Actually, religious persecution by the church is the only thing being lost. The forcing of religion (persecution) is a BAD thing and the churches actions continually drive GOOD people away….you know….the ones who love everyone no matter who they are and are finding the church to ABSOLUTELY bigoted. Further, the arguments this persecuter is making about other forms of marriage just show how immature and childish the church is getting. To HELL with the church and their judgmental followers! Good withou God!

  19. millerbeach says

    When they come clean, and I mean completely clean of the pedophile priest problem, only then will I believe a word that comes out of their mouths. I want to see police cars transporting the pedophiles to jail, not some other parish. I want this pedophile problem to end now. This is what the RC Church should be focusing on, the pedophile priests and those abetting those priests and defying law enforcement. This horse-hockey of religious liberty has taxed me to my limit with the RC Church…I have never seen the Church stoop to such low and stupid levels. Sorry, RCC, you really dropped the ball on this one. Good luck at getting back those parishioners who walked out during those sermons which said we would burn in hell if we voted for Obama. I sure hope you lose your tax-exempt status over this one. Unbelievably bad judgement regarding this election…you really expected me to vote for a heretic? Get real.

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