1. Caliban says

    You have to wonder if our “messaging,” the actual TV spots and print ads produced by the gay community and allies, has anything to do with how we’re perceived by anti-gay voters.

    The Right Wing/Christian Right propaganda is that gays want “special rights.” (Don’t ask me how equal = special.) Basically, their minds are made up and the actual ads have f*ck-all to do with how anti-gay people perceive them.

  2. Ben in Oakland says

    I’vebeen saying this for 15 years, and have been derided for it by people on this very blog.

    Our failure to show ourselves and our families, to talk about why marriage is important to us, instead of this civil rights and everyone make nice crap, is why we have been losing every time until this year. Finally, FINALLY, we have begin to show ourselves and get out of the closet.

    And that is why we won, FINALLY.

  3. Steve says

    Another way that this shows the total stupidity of people is that you can have commitment without marriage. Many gay couples are already together for years. They aren’t all young newlyweds. Idiots are acting like marriage is the only way to show commitment. Their opposition is based on silly feelings, instead of reason. Which shows again why people shouldn’t be allowed to vote on things like this.

  4. Charlie says

    I think that the Meyers Briggs Thinking v Feeling indicator is what is going on here. Half of the population is thinkers and half are feelers. So an emotional appeal can move people where an intellectual one cannot. That is why we overwhelmingly triumph in the courts and often in legislatures. They make decisions on a rational basis (usually). The thinkers are already on our side. It is the feelers that must be persuaded and our opponents have been much more effective in reaching them. Their demagoguery is aimed at stirring fears of what gay people will do, particularly to their children and their religion.

  5. Mike B. says

    Heck, I could have told you this as soon as Prop 8 propaganda started. At least now we have data to back us up. Humans are fundamentally emotional creatures–all humans, gay or straight, make fundamentally emotional decisions. We like to think we’re logical creatures, but we’re basically hormone soups living in a bag of organs. We rationalize after making our decisions. That is why emotional appeals and testimonials is the only way to win at the ballot box (this applies to all questions, not just marriage equality).

    If we’re going to engage in changing public perception (and we should, with or without the context of a referendum), we should appeal to emotion rather than reason.

    @Francis: I think your characterization of anti-gay people as “completely irrational” incorrectly frames the situation. You can’t dehumanize other people as an explanation; it’s too pat, too trite, and frankly inaccurate. Their arguments are largely irrational, but as I said, all people are largely illogical. That doesn’t mean we’re not predictable and malleable.

  6. Mike B. says

    @Charlie: Thinkers make largely emotional decisions, too. We’re not a separate species. Our attitude, focus, and comfort zones will lie more with thinking as compared with “Feelers”, but people basically make decisions emotionally.

  7. Diogenes Arktos says

    I also commend the pro-marriage equality forces for responding to the emotional issue of children by pointing out strongly that values are taught at home. This line of debate appeals both to thinking and feeling. It should be obvious, unfortunately it isn’t.

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