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Let's Watch Zach Wahls Smack Down a Homophobic Bigot Over the Boy Scouts' Gay Ban: VIDEO


Ed Whelan is a homophobic parent and President of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, and wrote an op-ed in the New York Post last week that said this:

Imagine that a group of girls is going on a long camping trip, supervised by adult volunteers who are young men you barely know. Would you let your 15-year-old daughter go?

Nearly every parent, I think, would recognize the folly, even though the men might well be models of good behavior. Why should our common-sense response be any different if the 15-year-old is a boy and the possible, even if not-likely-to-be-acted-on, sexual attraction of the adult supervisors is homosexual rather than heterosexual?

Whelan appeared on a CNN segment on Saturday with Scouts for Equality president Zach Wahls, who laid waste to all of Whelan's bigoted arguments.


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  1. The decision to allow gay members will ultimately be about money. The BSA decided to keep their ban on gay people only 7 months ago. Since that time, they have lost a lot of money to companies that have pulled funding. If they once again reiterate that stance, you will see another mass exodus of major corporations pulling funding. So that guy does have a point that this decision is about money and not about simply doing what's right, because in their minds, what is right is keeping the ban in place.

    Posted by: Richard Harney | Feb 4, 2013 1:44:32 PM

  2. He thinks it's "rude" question because he really believes that gays are "that way" because they choose it. It's rude because being gay is something that is or should be shameful, in his opinion. Gay = bad, evil, immoral.

    Pretty damn clear to me.

    Posted by: Randy | Feb 4, 2013 1:54:25 PM

  3. I was hoping for more.
    Zach Wahls treated this Whalen character as an equal with an opposing view, when the man was a lowlife ideologue, unprepared to support his feeble hatred of "the other" with sneering code words. It was not a "smackdown". Frankly it only served to elevate the homophobic, atheist-phobic mouth breathers. Whalen couldn't even say if his own son were gay he could still be a Boy Scout! He called the very notion of applying his rules to his own kid "rude"! The side of equality needs a more aggressive, righteous mouthpiece.

    Posted by: Jimtoday | Feb 4, 2013 2:07:52 PM

  4. best part of the interview;
    Kaye, "would you want your son to be in the scouts if he was gay?"

    long pause

    Whelan, "you know I think a question like that directed at my son is a rude question"

    Posted by: Will | Feb 4, 2013 4:33:52 PM

  5. Zach really kicked that creep's butt.

    Posted by: jaragon | Feb 4, 2013 5:26:54 PM

  6. @Will: While Zach could be in trouble with the grammar police (failure to use the subjunctive mood for hypothetical conditions), the real reason Whelan thought the question was rude is that he had no good answer. If he said, "yes", it would contradict his position, and if he said "no", he'd have to explain whether it was because he thought that the scouts would treat a gay member badly or it was because his son would be "damaged goods". All the options make Whelan look bad.

    Posted by: Bill | Feb 4, 2013 8:09:20 PM

  7. Ed Whelan looks a bit like the religious fanatic in this video clip (a dramatic portrayal of the Scopes Monkey Trial, and the exchange in this clip makes the one between Ed Whelan and Zach seem pretty tame).

    Posted by: Bill | Feb 4, 2013 8:24:26 PM

  8. The future for Zach is very bright as he brightens the day. You go boy.

    Posted by: UFFDA | Feb 4, 2013 8:37:52 PM

  9. Here are some of the funders for the Ethics and Public Policy Center: Between 1985 and 2001, the Center has received $9,190,704 in 114 separate grants from only eight foundations:
    Castle Rock Foundation
    Earhart Foundation
    Koch Family Foundations (Claude R. Lambe Foundation)
    John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.
    Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation
    Between 2001 and 2010, the Ethics and Public Policy Center received almost $3 million from the conservative Bradley Foundation[2].
    Scaife Foundations (Sarah Mellon Scaife, Carthage)
    Smith Richardson Foundation


    Posted by: David | Feb 4, 2013 10:35:49 PM


    We see there is not much point in trying to have a discussion with those who think it will be 1960 forever, and have dug in.

    Posted by: Bob | Feb 5, 2013 4:44:04 AM

  11. So Ed's gonna yank his heterosexual boy out of BSA if they allow gays?

    Posted by: JT | Feb 5, 2013 7:54:42 AM

  12. Proof again that belief in the nasty sky-fairy perverts and cripples minds badly.

    Posted by: Geoff | Feb 5, 2013 7:55:19 AM

  13. First I will declare that I support the right of a private club to discriminate, even if I think they are ridiculous for doing so or potentially harmful to gay youth. We simply cannot prevent parents from being stupid towards their children while ignorant of the possibility that a child is gay.

    Howbeit, the limitation on my support is when the Boy Scouts maintain that they can discriminate while still getting government freebies. I have listened to anti-gay people whine for a decade because governments have reviewed the court ruling and decided that they could no longer give free space or funding to a private religious group. This is as it should be. The BSA can't have a free boat slip, campground, or meeting hall now they they have established that they are a private religious group. They cannot recruit in public schools for "all boys" and then say, "except you".

    The amazing thing about these interminable conversations has been the recurring theme expressed by heterosexual men that heterosexual men can't be trusted around female children or adolescents. Stunning.

    My sister is gay and so am I. I have had a parental role in my niece's upbringing. Neither my sister nor myself would have ever dreamed of sending my niece off on a camping trip with strangers. Either we would be allowed to go along, or she's not going. It's that simple. She went to sea camp in the Keys, and Episcopal sleepover camp in Sarasota and was never out of trusted hands. We also insist that she be allowed access to her cell phone at all times, and when she is uncomfortable for any reason she calls us. We are not helicopter parents. She is also allowed to ride the Muni alone when in San Francisco, it's frightening to us, but she has to learn to be self reliant.

    What is with straight men? What are they telling us? These would be the same straight men who saw Debra Lafave and said, "Why didn't I have a teacher like that?" Can you imagine if a gay man had said that about a male teacher who sexed a student?

    Posted by: David Hearne | Feb 5, 2013 1:49:46 PM

  14. This is really good.

    Posted by: sports betting | Feb 10, 2013 7:11:01 AM

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